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Livery for the NorthWestern Pacific SouthWestern Pacific Lines Railroad

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Livery for the NorthWestern Pacific SouthWestern Pacific Lines Railroad
Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:46 PM

I am currently working on developing a livery or paint scheme for the NWP/SWP system. To give you a little background on the railroad first.

In the 1930s the Western Pacific was struggling due to the Depression and so the WP management approached both the Northern Pacific and the Southern Pacific railroads about merging their respective lines into one system, both the NP and SP refused at first but after a couple of months they agreed to the merger. Then came the problem of getting approval from the ICC to help themselves along a little they devised a plan in which each railroad would retain ownership of their route but they also would grant trackage rights to the other two lines in addition to the creation of two other lines the NWP and the SWP.

So as you now know the railroad reaches from the desert into the mountains.

I have toyed with idea of making a navy and burgundy scheme or a sunset like scheme or a monochromatic blue, green, or red.

Any opinions or ideas???

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:13 PM

It's your freelance RR.  You can choose any color-scheme you want.  Maybe combine a color(s) from both the NP and SP to come up with something unique...

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Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:19 PM

Yeah I was thinking of combining the liveries of the three parent roads.

But I'm asking for outside input too.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:24 PM

Some sort of logo (e.g. a silhouetted spruce tree - like the MEC) would make for a nice backdrop for the lettering...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 10, 2017 6:42 PM

I am actually considering writing an article on designing paint schemes for private roadnames (freelance).

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Best basic recomendations: Keep the stripes horizontal. Limit the pallet to black, green, dark blue, yellow, white, silver, and reddish brown (or burgandy). Keep it railroady and normal. Circular logos are always best, but if you are creative, other styles can work. Simple heralds like pine trees and horse heads are fine. Don't go overboard.

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If you want to pay homage to legacy roads, do it with colors, not with striping schemes.

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Lettering should be white or yellow on a dark color, or black on white or yellow. Pretty much any other combination will not look right.

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Gold should only be used for striping.

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I hope some of this helped you out.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 6:55 PM

So the simple sunset idea is bad? And as for the herald would something like the actual NorthWestern Pacific Herald.

Like this.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, November 10, 2017 7:21 PM

How 'bout a "WP" being central to the logo (since it's common to both) then have the "N" and "S" above and below (respectively) the "WP" to represent the northern and southern portions of the railroad?

You could also have the "W" be the central (common) letter and create a cross with the two railroads:

   S

NWP

   P

Unlike the sample above because the the forum software, the vertical spacing of the "SWP" would match the horizontal spacing of the "NWP"

Got another idea but I need to draw it up first.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 7:35 PM

Thanks that's a great idea for the shared equipment. There are six types of equipment on the system the parent roads equipment (NP,WP,SP) and then equipment shared by the NWP and SWP and then just SWP or NWP equipment.

Look forward to seeing your other ideas tstage

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:56 PM

How about something like this?

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It suggests a sunset with the color scheme and pattern or the herald, but does not require any complicated painting.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:10 PM

Maybe something similar but with the 

          S

   N    W    P

          P

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Posted by nscalebuilder on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:39 PM

If it was me i would use a compass as my logo with the Initials formed aroud the outer edge.

On Time On Any line would be my Slogan  Ah just a thought!!

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Posted by tstage on Friday, November 10, 2017 10:06 PM

I think the following is a bit too modern for your proposed era but I'm going to post it anyhow:

The design is partially borrowed from the Northwest Airlines logo from the 80s and 90s with some embellishment add.  The upper left triangle points NW and reflects the Northern Pacific color scheme.  The lower left triangle points SW and reflects the Southern Pacific color schemne (minus the yellow sun).  The red arrow creates the left corner of a "W" and the "WP" reflects the Western Pacific color scheme.

Anyhow, I think it's better suited for a more modern railroad but the colors could be changed to whatever suits you.  FWIW...

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 10:40 PM

What was the second picture?

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Posted by tstage on Friday, November 10, 2017 11:08 PM

Does the .jpg file not show in the post above?

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 11:26 PM

I see a red and black NP with a purple triangle and a red triangle. And then there's another box below that.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:22 AM

Although I don't see the additional box, it was probably from the 1st photo that I posted.  I edited the logo then went back into the post to update the photo.  When I opened up the post the 1st photo was not visible to delete so I just added the 2nd photo.  The additional box is probably just some code that didn't get deleted properly but shows up on everyone else's screen. Sad

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:14 AM

Maybe I'll do something similar to the onieda western or british columbia railway green schemes.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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