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Livery and Herald for the NorthWestern Pacific SouthWestern Pacific System (Font for herald finally selected)

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, February 04, 2018 7:17 PM

Put "THE PACIFIC FLEET" inside the circle in script, NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC in san serif on top outside the circle, and SOUTHWESTERN PACIFIC in san serif on bottom outside the circle.

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The your herald will look similar to mine!

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Posted by NWP SWP on Sunday, February 04, 2018 7:34 PM

Maybe do what you said with NWP above and SWP below the bar that has GREAT PACIFIC FLEET and NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC on the upper hemisphere and SOUTHWESTERN PACIFIC on the lower hemisphere of the circle...

I just need someone with a computer with a program to create it!

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:06 PM

Why not just go through the iterations and draw it by hand until you get what you are looking for?  You don't need a computer for that.  Once you lock in on the design then have someone draw it up for you...or do it yourself.  I've been able to put together a number of respectable diagrams in MS Word using the drawing options under Insert/Shapes.  Give it a try...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:34 PM

NWP SWP
I just need someone with a computer with a program to create it!

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Use Microsoft PowerPoint. I created the STRATTON & GILLETTE herald I use on this forum in PowerPoint, screenshotted it, and then shrunk it with paint.

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PowerPoint has all kinds of powerful tools to create heralds. Try it out.

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You should learn PowerPoint anyway, your professional career depends on it. Might as well try it out now on something fun.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Monday, February 05, 2018 12:38 AM

I'll sketch it up by hand with some colored pencils... by the way, currently I has no computerCrying

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Posted by NWP SWP on Monday, February 05, 2018 1:16 AM

I may not have a computer but I do have a smartphone! I found a PowerPoint type app on my phone and used it to make the following logo I just need to add NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC and SOUTHWESTERN PACIFIC in the outside ring...

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, February 05, 2018 5:01 AM

A good start, Steven... but for some reason I'd always be looking for a Tube Station when I see it.

 Underground1 by Edmund, on Flickr

 

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Around here SWP was a nickname for Sherwin Williams Paint. Cover The Earth.

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Posted by tstage on Monday, February 05, 2018 5:24 AM

A few thoughts:

  • Since your fictitious railroad is based from 1920-1960, be sure to choose a font/fonts that is representative of that time period in order to make it more plausible.  Pre-40s lettering often used serifs; 40s and later changed to sans serif.  With that being the case, you could come up with two distinct heralds: A pre-40s and a post-40s version.
  • Having parts of the herald in different fonts-types (e.g. block and cursive) would make for a nice contrast.  I would keep it to no more than two types.
  • Paint color varieties really didn't start coming onto the scene till after WWII.  So your pre-war herald should probably have no more than one or two colors.  Post-war schemes, however, can be more colorful.  That would help with making the two "era-related" heralds more distinct from one another

FWIW...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, February 05, 2018 7:46 AM

tstage
With that being the case, you could come up with two distinct heralds: A pre-40s and a post-40s version.

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I repeat what Tom said. I don't think any railroads had harmonized paint schemes over periods of decades.

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The car on the left is "post war", and the car on the right is 1930's-WW2.

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Be sure to keep evolution in mind when you are working on your paint, lettering, and heralds.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Monday, February 05, 2018 11:24 PM

Ed, egads! That does look like an underground sign! Perhaps swapping the red and blue around might help! Alternatively I might ditch blue and red and go with a two/three tone green scheme... would green work for the SWP part of the system specifically in the deserts? 

Tom, Kevin, I agree and I'm trying to get a starting point to work backward and forward from, I can deviate slightly in the bland color/font department because my system is so "revolutionary" so to speak the liveries and such were to help "sell" the railroad to the general public... it's all about image!Laugh

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, February 06, 2018 12:58 AM

This is a bit more subdued...

It just needs the NORTHWESTERN PACIFIC and SOUTHWESTERN PACIFIC in the outer ring, but other wise I like it!

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, February 06, 2018 2:19 AM

NWP SWP
but other wise I like it!

 

Yes  Me too! Very nice.

 

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, February 06, 2018 6:12 AM

NWP SWP

Ed, egads! That does look like an underground sign! Perhaps swapping the red and blue around might help! Alternatively I might ditch blue and red and go with a two/three tone green scheme... would green work for the SWP part of the system specifically in the deserts? 

Tom, Kevin, I agree and I'm trying to get a starting point to work backward and forward from, I can deviate slightly in the bland color/font department because my system is so "revolutionary" so to speak the liveries and such were to help "sell" the railroad to the general public... it's all about image!Laugh

I think any variants of greens would have been part of a post-war scheme.  Black, brown, red, and white would have been the predominant colors of WWII and pre-war schemes.  Course, there was "Brunswick" green (mostly black with a touch of green) on the PRR steamers...

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Posted by Eric White on Tuesday, February 06, 2018 11:24 AM

Take a look at magazines from your proposed modeling era to see what kinds of typefaces and logo designs were popular at the time.

That will give you an idea about colors as well.

Then think about the culture of your railroad. Was is sauve and sophisticated? Or hardworking and practical.

Both the 1920s and 1950s were boomtimes, so there was a bit more enthusiasm for taking risks and being a bit flashy, but you'd still want to think about the practicalities of maintaining a particular paint scheme. Not to mention the difficulties of applying it to all of your models.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, March 08, 2018 2:24 PM

I have a few more ideas that I'll post screen shots of later, my chief problem is I can seem to get the font big enough that the strike through looks OK.

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Posted by up831 on Thursday, March 08, 2018 3:41 PM

Ok, now I'm a little confused.  Are you designing your own logo or trying to model an existing prototype?  (See March diner)

IF you're designing your own logo, the design principles I explained in the diner are sound.  IF you're modeling a prototype, then the design principles don't matter.  Then, it's what the prototype did irregardless.  

However, looking at the locomotive in the diner, the NWP becomes the geometric figure that supports the bar.  You will also notice the NWP is the same width as the bar, which almost subjugated the bar element to the point where both elements explain each other.  Not very compelling, but that's what they did.

Less is more,...more or less!

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Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, March 08, 2018 8:57 PM

How's this one you can see the NWP more clearly.

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, March 08, 2018 11:33 PM

Just playing around in CORELdraw I came up with this. A little blend of the ERIE diamond and the old Illinois Central bar-diamond.

 NWP_1a by Edmund, on Flickr

This would be a pre-1950s emblem.

If I get time I may try a "modernized" version.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, March 09, 2018 12:46 AM

Ed that's not bad, something I want to point out, I'd like the logo to be for either NWP or SWP, here's to logos I might borrow from.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, March 09, 2018 12:49 AM

NWP SWP
I'd like the logo to be for either NWP or SWP

I guess — based on your moniker — I thought it was one railroad, or at least one entity, like C&O/B&O.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, March 09, 2018 12:59 AM

It is like C&O/B&O yes it's two railroads same entity, I want a uniform logo type for both roads, kinda like SPSF, sorry that I didn't make that clear, my mistake.

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Posted by Steven Otte on Friday, March 09, 2018 2:53 PM

Since there are so many directions in your railroad's name, I would consider basing the shape of your herald on a compass rose. Maybe tilted at a rakish angle to give it that feeling of motion and progress. I'm not going to draw it for you, but imagine something like this...

...but instead of letters at the poles, put a letter in each of the four quadrants. "N" at top left, "W" at bottom left, "P" in both of the right quadrants, and "W" at the center of the rose.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, March 09, 2018 5:29 PM

I could do something like this in a diamond.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:43 PM

I just realized something! Railroads logos/heralds go through many reiterations/redesigns so I could do several logos that span several eras! Maybe even one for the 60s-80s possibly resembling the CN wet noodle logo!

The Pullman logo could be the 20s, the four diamond IC logo could be the 30s...

Now for the livery I was thinking dark green with a light green bar and mid green stripes that can be passenger and freight is reversed light to dark, vice versa. That would be acceptable in the railroads stomping grounds in both the PNW and SoCal?

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 7:38 PM

OK I was looking at some pictures and I really like the SP bloody nose, would a green version work? Dark green replacing the gray, and light moss green instead of red, I could trim it out with southern green.

I guess I can get away with green in the desert.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 7:58 PM

NWP SWP
I just realized something! Railroads logos/heralds go through many reiterations/redesigns so I could do several logos that span several eras!

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Steven,

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Do you read the responses people post in your threads trying to help you?

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Tom and I made this point to you 15/16 responses below.

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I don't mind answering your questions and helping out, but I don't like to think that the effort is just getting glossed over.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Sunday, June 10, 2018 10:38 PM

Here's another I could borrow from, I'm going to be working towards finalizing a design for my main era, '40-'60 I will post it when I get it done. Thanks for all the advice guys!

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:16 PM

So here's what I think I've got down for a modern livery, my idea is to have the locomotive dark green all around then the roof and lettering be light moss green (almost white) and have the lettering be the KCS block lettering with a strike through reading Northwestern Pacific.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:45 PM

A diagram would be more helpful that a picture of a prototype locomotive.

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Would it be NWPSWP instead of KCS?

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I tossed this together in about 20 minutes using Paint and a downloaded coloring book image. Pictures will help us understand your idea better.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:58 PM

It would either read NWP or SWP not both (except on a few special units).

I cannot make up a diagram right now, I don't have a computer, I'm limited to using a smartphone.

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