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Metal wheels causing derailments

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Posted by 7j43k on Friday, October 20, 2017 3:32 PM

Mike,

I totally agree.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, October 20, 2017 3:33 PM

Interesting method, Ed.  FWIW, I've never had a screw back out on me yet.  Maybe it's because I don't tap my holes first and just allow the 2-56 screw to cut the thread inside the bolter as I'm screwing it in.

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Posted by 7j43k on Friday, October 20, 2017 4:19 PM

tstage

Interesting method, Ed.  FWIW, I've never had a screw back out on me yet.  Maybe it's because I don't tap my holes first and just allow the 2-56 screw to cut the thread inside the bolter as I'm screwing it in.

Tom

 

 

Yeah, that's one method of gaining "tightness".  Though a person could wonder how many times you can take the screw out until it's un-tight.

I developed my prejudice against just forcing a screw into making its own threads back in the day of cast metal cars.  As I recall, trying that trick was a road to deep sadness.  That's probably where I developed my love for using a tap.  That, and working in a machine shop.  My boss was Austrian.  He was a VERY good and nice guy.  But perfection was just barely good enough for him.  And I didn't want the "look".  Never mind the snicker.

 

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Posted by tstage on Friday, October 20, 2017 6:26 PM

Yea, if the bolster were metal, Ed, it would be an entirely different matter and I would definitely use a tap.  The plastic they use for the injection-molded cars though cuts quite nicely when "tapped" with the supplied 2-56 screws.  Since I have no intention of removing the screw again, it shouldn't pose an issue.

I worked in a R&D machine shop for a number of years and actually enjoy hand-tapping.  That's the best way to get the "feel" for cutting threads.  Worst sound in the world is that subtle snap of a tap breaking off in a metal "blind" hole - LOL.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, October 20, 2017 8:19 PM

tstage
I only tighten my truck screws until the truck is snug and no longer rotates then back the screw off ~1/4 or so turn.

Tom,I just fired my proof reader..I meant to say 1-1 1/2 turns.

As far as truck screws falling out I found one of my Roundhouse cars  had to make several dozen trips around the Bucyrus club layout before I picked the car up to pack it away and the truck remained on the rail..Imagine my shock. I have no idea why that car didn't derail since Roundhouse cars doesn't have a king pin on the frame.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, October 21, 2017 2:56 PM

tstage
I've never had a screw back out on me yet.

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I have only one experience with a truck screw backing out on me, and it killed my Spectrum 2-8-0!

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The truck screw caught on something and made the traind stop dead while in motion. Now my consolidation slips and clicks while moving forward.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Sunday, October 22, 2017 11:49 AM

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I tried metal wheels once upon a time and had a lot of trouble with them so I gave up and went back to plastic which solved the problem...

Wow.  Thats a first.  It's pretty universal that modelers in HO switch from plastic to metal and the benefits are well known.  I'd guess your problems were not due to metal wheels or you got some bad ones like another person said.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Monday, October 23, 2017 12:25 AM
Well, my experience only dates back to the 80s, so I guess I don't have sufficient knowledge to turn a screw. However, like Brakie, I tighten it all the way down and then back it off a turn and a half. I let it self tap, because that's how the screw and the plastic were designed to work. A tapped hole could actually make for a looser fit depending on the tolerances of the screw. You wouldn't believe the number of assembled kits at train shows where the trucks have been over tightened. The bolster simply doesn't stop this.
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Posted by 7j43k on Monday, October 23, 2017 11:10 AM

YoHo1975
Well, my experience only dates back to the 80s, so I guess I don't have sufficient knowledge to turn a screw.  

Just one of the problems generated when they stopped having shop classes in junior high.

Our local city college gives classes in that, so there's still hope.

 

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, October 23, 2017 7:36 PM

7j43k

 

 
YoHo1975
Well, my experience only dates back to the 80s, so I guess I don't have sufficient knowledge to turn a screw.  

 

 

Just one of the problems generated when they stopped having shop classes in junior high.

Our local city college gives classes in that, so there's still hope.

 

 

Ed

 

Double saurcasm.  Quite a crew here!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, October 23, 2017 7:43 PM

riogrande5761

 

 
7j43k

 

 
YoHo1975
Well, my experience only dates back to the 80s, so I guess I don't have sufficient knowledge to turn a screw.  

 

 

Just one of the problems generated when they stopped having shop classes in junior high.

Our local city college gives classes in that, so there's still hope.

 

 

Ed

 

 

 

Double saurcasm.  Quite a crew here!

 

Being the promoter of sprung metal trucks with metal wheels, I knew from the thread title I should just stay away, but it has been an entertaining read......

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Posted by mike937 on Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:23 PM

My N scale layout "Teddie and Shelbieville Railroad" most of the metal wheels are from intermountain. When I install them I always place the solid wheels to the left side of the cars to prevent a staggered or crooked truck. Some axle lengths are different by .002 to .003 but I assume that the solid side is pressed on to a standard depth on the axle. The insulated side is set to the solid side leaving the extra axle length to the right so the wheels run true to the truck.

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