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Are horn hooks all that bad?

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 6:47 PM

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Agreed. Who wants to assemble couplers?  And glue them, no less.  

Plus all of the carcinogen warnings. Wash your hands after each session to avoid cancer? Oh my!

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If I could afford to re-equip my 300-or-so freight cars and a bunch of locomotives, passenger cars, and MoW equipment with Sergents, it wouldn't bother me to have to assemble them.

As for washing my hands, I do so before running trains or working on them, and often times during working on them,too, depending on the nature of the work.  Oily fingerprints don't add anything positive to paint jobs and lettering, even on weathered cars.
 
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Posted by cats think well of me on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 8:52 PM

I stopped using horn hook couplers I think in 1998 when at 15 I decided to do serious model railroading. Kadees were what the adult model railroaders were using so I would too. I transitioned into #58s and their "scale-head" brethren about the time they came out, about 14-15 years ago. Kadee makes a great coupler, easy to use, easy to mount, and forgiving when it comes to many kinds of imperfect trackwork. However, horn-hooks were many people's introduction to model railroading and if they work for them, great. 

My preference is now Sergent couplers. I don't mind the assembly and tuning, though the work may not be everyone's idea of fun. 

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Posted by joe323 on Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:46 AM

Since I do everything manually on the SIW I clip the trip hoses on the Kadees and use a sharpie to blacken the spring.

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Posted by Doughless on Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:23 AM

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Since I do everything manually on the SIW I clip the trip hoses on the Kadees and use a sharpie to blacken the spring.

 

Most definitely a sound approach.  Its harder to see black details when they are in the shadows.

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Posted by Steven Otte on Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:54 AM

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Posted by CRIP 4376 on Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:31 PM

I actually got to see two layouts in Texas many decades ago that used Mantua loop couplers - Jack Leming and Cliff Robinson.  Mantua loops were one of those things you knew about, but wondered if anyone actually used them.

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, August 26, 2016 1:02 AM

CRIP 4376

I actually got to see two layouts in Texas many decades ago that used Mantua loop couplers - Jack Leming and Cliff Robinson.  Mantua loops were one of those things you knew about, but wondered if anyone actually used them.

Ken Vandevoort

 

I did...many decades ago! LOL. I said so in My post a couple pages ago. They were unsightly..but they actually worked fairly well.

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A couple of points about the horn hooks though......you never had any unwanted uncoupling and You could also couple in curves....one reason for the long curve at the knuckle.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, August 26, 2016 6:00 AM

All of this talk about horn hook couplers and the supposed advantages or positive points about them has me wondering. Is anyone prepared to switch from knuckle couplers to horn hook couplers as a result of the discussion? Of course not. Knuckle couplers are the choice of the overwhelming majority of modelers ...and for good reason.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, August 26, 2016 6:31 AM

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All of this talk about horn hook couplers and the supposed advantages or positive points about them has me wondering. Is anyone prepared to switch from knuckle couplers to horn hook couplers as a result of the discussion? Of course not. Knuckle couplers are the choice of the overwhelming majority of modelers ...and for good reason.

Rich

 

Rich,I don't think anybody is advocating returning to the X2F..

A valid question was asked because David saw how well the X2F works and that goes against all the experts teachings on how bad the X2F was. Nobody said the X2F look like a prototype coupler or could win a beauty contest-in fact the X2F looked like it fell out of the top of a ugly tree and hit every branch on its way down.

When properly mounted the X2F worked and filled the need for a   standard coupler that replaced the hodge podge of  incompatible couplers from various manufacturers..

What's so hard to understand about that?

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Posted by Doughless on Friday, August 26, 2016 7:12 AM

zstripe
 

A couple of points about the horn hooks though......you never had any unwanted uncoupling and You could also couple in curves....one reason for the long curve at the knuckle.

Take Care! Big Smile

Frank

Which is a valid consideration.  A modeler might want to sacrifice appearence of the coupler to be able to operate a tight-curved logging, coal, or urban based layout.  (or any other layout with not a lot of room for perfectly straight spurs.)

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, August 26, 2016 11:26 AM

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richhotrain

All of this talk about horn hook couplers and the supposed advantages or positive points about them has me wondering. Is anyone prepared to switch from knuckle couplers to horn hook couplers as a result of the discussion? Of course not. Knuckle couplers are the choice of the overwhelming majority of modelers ...and for good reason.

Rich

 

 

 

Rich,I don't think anybody is advocating returning to the X2F..

A valid question was asked because David saw how well the X2F works and that goes against all the experts teachings on how bad the X2F was. Nobody said the X2F look like a prototype coupler or could win a beauty contest-in fact the X2F looked like it fell out of the top of a ugly tree and hit every branch on its way down.

When properly mounted the X2F worked and filled the need for a   standard coupler that replaced the hodge podge of  incompatible couplers from various manufacturers..

What's so hard to understand about that?

 

Larry, nothing is hard to understand about that. Too bad that you missed my point. Confused

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, August 26, 2016 11:48 AM

richhotrain
Larry, nothing is hard to understand about that. Too bad that you missed my point. Rich

I seen your point..A innocent question about X2F got into a pointless discussion on KD versus the X2F.

Everybody knows the KD is superior and there's no question about that but,that wasn't the question.

BTW..If I was young and seen how well the X2F worked I would ask the same question because of what the "experts" has taught us about how bad the X2F was.

Some of those experts thinks using a magnet to uncouple cars is awful and yet,the beauty of the KD coupler is its hands free uncoupling capabilities.The very thing that made it popular.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, August 26, 2016 12:22 PM

 

BRAKIE
Rich,I don't think anybody is advocating returning to the X2F

Thank goodness for that.  Every day I listen to the news and I think the world has gone totally crazy.  All I need is for the model railroad world to abandon Kadee's whole-sale  and return to horn hood couplers - that would be the last straw to drive me over the edge!  Laugh  Dunce

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Posted by CRIP 4376 on Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:59 PM

Along this line, how many used conversion cars with a X2F on one end and a Kadee on the other?

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Posted by mobilman44 on Monday, August 29, 2016 9:38 AM

I sure did!  Back in the '70s I had mostly Athearn, MDC, and a few other brands that all came with the NMRA couplers.  I finally decided to make the switch to KDs, with $$$ being the big constraint.  Therefore I could only buy a pack or two of number 5s every week or two.    

In order to continue using a lot of cars, I had a couple of freight cars with KD on one end and NMRA on the other.

My main passenger loco was a Rivorossi Pacific ATSF steamer.  I couldn't figure out how to convert the tender coupler to KD, so I left it NMRA and kept an NMRA on one end of the baggage car (so as to connect to the tender).  It worked great.

Folks, the NMRAs looked terrible, but they worked and stood the test of time.  As someone said, the KDs were what the "adults" were using and for most of us back then the only thing holding us back was the cost. 

 

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Posted by PM Railfan on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:15 AM

CRIP 4376

Along this line, how many used conversion cars with a X2F on one end and a Kadee on the other?

Ken Vandevoort

 

Raising my hand here. I still have, and use conversion cars when I can get a chance to run my stuff.

For sentimental reasons some cars from childhood I have left 'original'. When i get a chance to run these with my Kadee cars/locos, a conversion car is a must. I use an Athearn BB Hi-Cube boxcar. It doubles as a height checker.

 

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Posted by joe323 on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:43 PM

 You could use a conversion car as say a buffer car between a horn hook locomotive and you rolling stock.  I have done this because my wife doesn't want me to dispose of a couple of trainset locos and my rolling stock. 

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Posted by maxman on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:31 PM

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In order to continue using a lot of cars, I had a couple of freight cars with KD on one end and NMRA on the other.

I believe that it is not totally correct to call an X2F an NMRA coupler: http://webspace.webring.com/people/ib/budb3/arts/tech/cuphist.html

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 3:41 PM

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I believe that it is not totally correct to call an X2F an NMRA coupler:

Depends..The NMRA designed it and it was rejected by the membership.

Still the NMRA allowed the manufacturers to use that design and in the early years it was called the NMRA coupler by the manufacturers and that was dropped to X2F couplers.

I just call it by its name the X2F.

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:13 PM

I have 5 conversion cars with a x2f on one end and a KD on the other for the times I run my older Rivarossi engines and others. Never got around to adding KD's and at this time they will stay as they are. 

Also friends who bring trains over to run have X2F's so the conversion cars come in handy.

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Posted by 7j43k on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:42 PM

My X2f conversion car is an Athearn pickle car.  The other end has a Kadee K-5 coupler.  THAT's how long it's been since I felt the need to couple to an X2f equipped car.

 

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