BLI has trade in deal for NYC hudson's 1st run What do you Think??

[AntonioFP45]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Don Gibson

OK Tampa Tony. I'll back off.


2nd question (anybody) WHO is Mike's Train House, and WHERE did he come from?

(Lawyers please save your breath. I know everybody has to make a living).

Don Gibson, no need to back off![;)]

Your views are right on the mark! In answer to your question above, I've pulled the Mike's Train House lawsuit" thread back up to page one. Hopefully by the time you read this it will still be on page 1,2, or 3. It was a hot topic back in February, and still is now. Sad that the whole DCC community was impacted by it.

[Don Gibson]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

"... lose the BEMF, but get a better performer minus the BEMF.

(I suspect there is no improvement) Notice the word BLI used was "advanced".).. Fill in the blank . D.G.

QUOTE: BLI stock #'s 001-003, 020-022, 999 now have the opportunity to trade in their units for the more advanced model, now available.

peace

[Don Gibson]

OK Tampa Tony. I'll back off.

While the appeals are going on in court (Lionel), I understand the words "Back Electro-Mechaical Force" (and know Mike's Trains didn't invent it), but HOW does it apply to our specific hobby? ...Recharge Eprom's when coasting down hill?

2nd question (anybody) WHO is Mike's Train House, and WHERE did he come from?

Outside looking in, it seem's logical that Soundtraxx, QSI, et al, will mark time till they see how much the benefit vs.cost shakes out.. Since the award against McDonalds for a customer that spilled coffee on herself, the 'dumbing down' of American juries has become rediculous.. Latest one is against WalMart for a lady that tripped over a boy running loose around the store and broke a leg.. (It was her kid).

(Lawyers please save your breath. I know everybody has to make a living).

[Anonymous]

UP, MTH, Why cant everybody stop suing eachother and just enjoy the hobby! I think all these lawsuits will do for us modelers is drive prices up. UP is suing for something that actually SUPPORTS thier railroad and keeps it more in the public eye. I think a model UP train looks alot better and cleaner then a real one. I havent really read alot on this MTH suit because frankly im just sick of it all.

Best regards--Joe

[AntonioFP45]

You're right Don,

But when you look at it, Mike's Train House started the whole "hornet's nest stirrup"! No winners except the lawyers! It seems like BLI is doing this perhaps to "show an effort" that might satisfy the lawyers. If this is the case, then we shouldn't be surprised if we see similar proposals on some of the other BLI locomotives that came with BEMF. Of course, I'm only guessing. [8)]

One curious thing though: The new Tsunami decoder is going to have BEMF! That's according to the info on the Yahoo website. However, Soundtraxx isn't saying much else. Can't say I blame them. But if BEMF is being included then perhaps either they'e found a loophole, and/or the lawsuit may be winding down[;)]

10-4!

[Don Gibson]

BLI (LLC) wants to eliminate legal liability (aka CYA), and have you pay for it?

What a Company! - or as they say in New York:: "Soch A Deal".

[Anonymous]

AntonioFP45

I am glad to find out the first Hudson had the " Back EMF" installed in it, as Don has said. The place I was looking to buy this engine has both the old version and the new version. That was the reason I started this topic to find out more about the first model and from the comments, I would believe the first model runs good and would be a good buy for the reduced price.

Thank you all for the information

[AntonioFP45]

Don Gibson

You offer an interesting point. While the "new" units may offer improvements; the "original" Hudsons have the "Back EMF" feature which is what the MTH lawsuit has been centered around.

What a situation! Trade in your "1st run" Hudson, lose the BEMF, but get a better performer minus the BEMF.

Those of you that own 1st run Hudsons: Have you had mechanical or electrical problems with these units? Are they problems that you can repair yourself? [dinner]

Just a friendly suggestion that you do your research before you commit! [;)]

Peace out!

[Don Gibson]

IMAGE!??? - or Liability?

QUOTE: "Is BLI removing something (like MTH software], or adding something? - D.G.

Correcting something? ... and at whose expense?

I think the obvious is posted on their web site:

QUOTE: "Due to threats of litigation by Mike's Train House (MTH), the Regulated Throttle Control and Speed Control features originally offered in BLI locomotives are no longer available at this time ... ... However, until this matter is resolved, Broadway Limited Imports, LLC and QSI want you, the consumer, to be protected from any harassment or interference with your use and enjoyment of the Quantum system.

Comment - SURE! (*CYA ) "Cover your A**. Anyone notice the new "L.L.C." addition to their company name?: it stands for 'Limited Liability Company'. And I wonder where those 'modified' used engines will go?
The "refurbished"bin?

I don't think the much maligned Athearn, or Atlas would treat their customers this way.

[grayfox1119]

BLI wants to have the image of "upscale" top quality. The newer engines will adapt better for DCC would be one reason for the upgrade offer, it is NOT a re-call.

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[Anonymous]

Don, I didn't read it as a recall. I understand it to be that for $99 and your old engine BLI will replace the old engine with the new run of Hudsons, thus giving you a completly new model...maybe I'm wrong...

[Don Gibson]

QUOTE: "TEFFY, lighten up, it was just a question. This forum is for those of us that like to share information and our experiences. If you don't want to share, then don't post.

Dogoodlander:
I noticed you didn't answer his question.

NOW to the question at hand:

QUOTE: Models should include check, money order or credit card information to cover $99 plus $8 shipping and handling

Is BLI removing something (like MTH software), or adding something to CORRECT something? "Improvement's" generally are covered in subsequent runs.

First time I've heard of a recall that YOU pay for.

[Anonymous]

No I haven't had any problems with the old drivers, I just think the look of the nickel plated drivers looks better...I have heard the old ones are a litle harder to clean, but mine hasn't seen much use, so I'm not bothered by it...

I guess I don't understand why BLI felt they had to redesign the Hudson. Does anyone know? What benefits does the new model offer and what does it mean in the real world? I have read the description on the website, but I guess I'm a little dense...[;)]

[Anonymous]

Hey TEFFY, lighten up, it was just a question. This forum is for those of us that like to share information and our experiences. If you don't want to share, then don't post.

[Anonymous]

I am considering purchasing one and wanted to know the reliability of the early version or hte later more expensive version is best Please don't answer if you feel I should not ask this question.

Thank you

[Anonymous]

This is a personal preferance for those of us that own one of the Hudsons. Do you own one or are you just curious? Why does it matter what I think?

Bob

[Anonymous]

wes454
The new release is all new and built by another company, in China I think. The parts probably are not compatible at all and may be the reason they are offering the new model to the first customers.
You said,
I'm am wondering if the new drivers would fit the old model...it would be nice to have the nickel plated drivers instead of the old ones

Do you have trouble with the electrical pick up, or just a preference?

[Anonymous]

Bangert1...I have the one of the old run Hudsons and I'm not planning on having it replaced. Maybe if i could swap it for a striped one, but since they say they won't do that, then naaa...I'll keep mine! Plus I get to save $99!!!

I'm am wondering if the new drivers would fit the old model...it would be nice to have the nickel plated drivers instead of the old ones....

[Anonymous]

I think this is good for the first buyers of the NYC Hudson if they are having problems. I do not own this version and would like comments to know if the first engines were less than the present quality or did they have the
Regulated Throttle control in the software that MTH is talking about.

Hudson Trade-In Program
LIMITED TO AVAILABLE SUPPLY ONLY.

Customers who currently own Hudson models with BLI stock #'s 001-003, 020-022, 999 now have the opportunity to trade in their units for the more advanced model, now available.
To take advantage of this offer, customers should return both the locomotive and tender of the original unit with all parts intact and in its original box (instruction manuals and warranty cards not necessary) directly to Broadway Limited Imports, LLC. Models should include check, money order or credit card information to cover $99 plus $8 shipping and handling to the Continental US. International customers will be responsible for actual shipping costs to and from BLI. Items will be replaced roadnumber-for-roadnumber only--no item switching will be allowed.

Replacements will be honored only while supplies last (no back orders) and on a first in, first out basis.