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Building an HO scale Keystone Shay (FINISHED, with VIDEO!!)

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Posted by ef3 yellowjacket on Saturday, July 9, 2011 6:36 AM

Darth;

I am glad that you (or anyone else) will be the guinea pig!  I'll keep tabs.  That shay looks like a million dollars, and I bet it will run even better.  I bought mine about twenty-five years ago from Valley Hobbies, up in Simsbury, Ct.  I would like to pick up another if I can find one.  The shay caught my eye in a Walthers catalogue, and I was enamoured by it's diminutive beauty.

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Posted by wedudler on Sunday, February 6, 2011 11:59 AM

You've done a great job with this kit. Congratulations!

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Posted by jwhitten on Sunday, February 6, 2011 7:32 AM

 

Very nice! I checked out your links (btw, thanks for letting us know about that copper-colored disk, I'm not sure I've ever seen one of those before Laugh) Your shays look marvelous! I hope you don't mind, but I saved the pictures for future inspiration. You did a great job-- on all your shays. Bow

 

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, February 5, 2011 9:11 PM

Well congratulations as there cannot be all that many folks who got their Keystone Shay kit to actually be an operating model.  You have every right to be proud.  I suspect the slight noise will ease up over time

As to speed, at one time the Illinois Railroad Museum had an operating Shay and I remember the time I was down there when more than one steam locomotive was running (those, as they say, were the days).  I was off in some corner and not paying attention when I heard what sounded like the New York Central's 999 breaking the 100 mph barrier so I rushed trackside with my camera -- and waited, and waited, until 'round the bend came their Shay loping along at maybe 10 to 15 mph but sounding like the fasting thing on wheels. 

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Saturday, February 5, 2011 5:20 PM

Thanks for the tips on details. I may have to add some of those to my Shay.

You're right about the MDC Shay being noisy! I've tuned every little thing in mine to run as quietly as possible, but that gearbox will always have a good whine when it runs. I'm actually trying to make the trucks run more quietly now by adding NWSL bronze bearings and steel shafts. I found the stock MDC design to be extremely sloppy, which may be causing unnecessary noise and even a little roughness. I don't know if it will make things any quieter, but I do at least know it'll make things last longer!

I've gone ahead and made all your links clickable:

http://www.mrollins.com/keyshay.html
http://www.mrollins.com/keyshay1.html

http://www.mrollins.com/Shay30.html

http://www.mrollins.com/myshay.html

http://www.mrollins.com/Images/nameclimax.jpg

http://www.nelsonslocomotive.com/Shay/shay.htm

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Posted by exNewt on Friday, February 4, 2011 5:42 AM

A friend of mine mentioned my old 'Keystone Shay tips' was mentioned here, so I figured why not join as well? Each of these make a difference in running quality, as we all know it's a kit not designed to be powered.

http://www.mrollins.com/keyshay.html

As you can surmise, this kit is a bear, but if you go slowly one has a fantastic small shay, at a fraction the price of a brass model.

http://www.mrollins.com/keyshay1.html

I also scratchbuilt an HOn30 Shay, albeit the gearing does not work

http://www.mrollins.com/Shay30.html

I also put together an MDC Shay years ago, and as some noted it's a noisy, lumbering brute.

http://www.mrollins.com/myshay.html

 

Note a couple of tips on extra details if you want (note I like unusual color schemes):

Add a rod for the sanding dome, this is how the sand is dispensed onto the rails

I mounted the air compressor more forward, but these usually have a blow off hose that goes up by the smokestack

Chains were hung to secure the trucks in many cases in the event of a derailment

Get a Shay builders plate, print one or buy some; I printed some Climax plates for a kit I sell and they look pretty good

http://www.mrollins.com/Images/nameclimax.jpg

Add a rear handrail on the water tank

Add a coupler lift bar to the front and back

 

Of course, if you want a new project, check out this guy's page

http://www.nelsonslocomotive.com/Shay/shay.htm

 

Geared steam, how we miss you...

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:04 AM

Thanks everyone for your comments.Big Smile

yankee flyer
But I was wondering is there a good  RTR Shay?
It seems like a sad state of the hobby when you buy a kit and half of the parts aren't usable. I'm adding another 8' to my layout and looking for a new theme. Manipulating small parts is hard for me to do so I am better off buying RTR.

Bachmann's Spectrum Shay is an excellent RTR model. They're very smooth and quiet runners with a LOT of detail. Their only problem is that many have had a problem with split line gears. NWSL makes metal replacement gears for the ones that have that problem.

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Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:46 AM

Way to go! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

You have put together what many consider one of THE most difficult kits ever produced. I often say if you can put one of these together successfully, you should automaticly get an NMRA Master Modeler certificate. Big Smile

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Posted by yankee flyer on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:15 AM

Darth,  Hey
Fantastic job on the Shay.Thumbs Up But I was wondering is there a good  RTR Shay?
It seems like a sad state of the hobby when you buy a kit and half of the parts aren't usable. I'm adding another 8' to my layout and looking for a new theme. Manipulating small parts is hard for me to do so I am better off buying RTR.
Enjoy your Shay.

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Posted by jwhitten on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:35 AM

 Very nice work. And it seems to run very smoothly too.

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Posted by DouglasJMeyer on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:51 AM

The Bachmann 80 ton HO shay is in point of fact an almost perfect model of the Cass WV shay no 5. This is not really a west coast shay but is one built I think in about 1905 (I would have to look the exact date up but it is over 100 years old as a book about it was called 100 years against the mountain)

It did get rebuilt with a new more modern looking cab and this is why a lot of folks think it is a model of a west coast shay

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 11:59 PM

 Darth - congratulation on that super job you did. The loco is a jewel! And the video a joy to watch!

Bow 

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Posted by Bob grech on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 11:51 PM

 I've been following this thread, and think you've done a great job on that shay. The video was a real treat!. Keep up the good work.

Have Fun.... Bob.

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Posted by Grampy1 on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 11:26 PM

Great video, Darth.  Smile

Geared is the way to tight radius and steep grades. Ghost River Rwy. "The Misty Loggers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5qJPRumLA
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Posted by JoeinPA on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 3:22 PM

 Very nice Darth!  I particularly like watching the "sidewinder" mechanism in action.

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Tuesday, March 9, 2010 2:22 PM

I've now put up a video of the Shay!Big Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrl8cGrVbU

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Posted by SteamFreak on Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:19 AM

Darth Santa Fe
The crankshaft was originally a single piece casting of soft white metal. When that fell apart, I cut off the cast shaft and drilled the cranks out for the steel shaft.

Wow, a white metal crankshaft... no wonder they don't last. Nice job putting it all back together.

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Posted by wedudler on Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:22 AM

 Great work!

Years ago I've bought a PFM shay - and it's fun! If your engine is a good runner you will have hours of pleasure. Enjoy it.

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Posted by Grampy1 on Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:47 PM

You are so right, Darth. Personally I'm impressed with the detail on all of the Shays currently being offered or recently offered. The variety of models is quite varied. Everything from the small to the large and in scale. Smile

A number of years ago there was quite a discussion going on, and maybe still is, about the scale of the Heislers being offered by Rivarossi. I think they are very close if not accurate. I've seen a Heiseler and have seen pictures of a West Coast Heisler beside a West Coast Shay. They are both massive machines, so Rivarossi is bang on the money in my books and so is Spectrum. Dang, I like geared locomotives. Big Smile

Geared is the way to tight radius and steep grades. Ghost River Rwy. "The Misty Loggers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5qJPRumLA
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Posted by Arjay1969 on Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:26 PM

 Darth, I continue to be awed by your skill at building steam locomotives.  Well done, sir! Smile

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:57 PM

Thanks everyone for your compliments.Big Smile

JoeinPA, I think my next project will be to finish painting my Samhongsa 4-4-0, but I have some others that need finishing too. I'll be sure to put up pictures of them.Smile

SteamFreak, that's a very interesting Shay there, but I think I'll leave that project up to someone else. The crankshaft was originally a single piece casting of soft white metal. When that fell apart, I cut off the cast shaft and drilled the cranks out for the steel shaft.

Grampy1, it has been a fun project.Big Smile The Spectrum Shay definitely has more extra details, but as far as I can tell, the Keystone Shay has most of the detail the real Class A Shays did. So I guess the early ones do look a little "toy-like" compared to the modern ones.

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Posted by Grampy1 on Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:42 PM

Now that would be a fun build. Smile  This has been a great project to follow. You have done such an excellent job. Congratulations. Smile 

As near as I can tell the Spectrum Shay is a reasonable representation of a West Coast Shay which were made specifically for the challenging conditions  and massicw logs along the west coast. They were the most advanced Shays and the largest. Some of the early ones look almost toy like when placed beside them. Such a variety.Smile

Geared is the way to tight radius and steep grades. Ghost River Rwy. "The Misty Loggers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5qJPRumLA
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Posted by SteamFreak on Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:12 PM

Darth, If you have a few parts left over, try this next: http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786  Wink

 Excellent job and tutorial! Thumbs Up That crankshaft looks like a nightmare. The three straight sections between the eccentrics cranks that you replaced -- what was the original material? Brass? Did you have to drill out the cranks to accept the 1.5mm shaft?

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Posted by JoeinPA on Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:24 PM

 Beautiful job Darth! I enjoyed following your progress.  What's your next project?  I hope you decide to share it with us.

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:20 PM

After 2 months of work, the Shay is finally finished!!Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile

From this...


to this!!



Those pictures are kind of blurry, but I wanted to show the directional constant lighting.Big Smile

The most important side of a Shay. Some people won't bother with making the crankshaft and rods operational, but I wanted mine to have the full effect.Big Smile My rebuilt crankshaft with a steel shaft and epoxy works great!Big Smile

NWSL's drive. My wiring arrangment isn't spectacular, but it works.

A cheap HO scale man standing on the little Shay. I didn't notice there was some gray left on the domes until I took this picture. It's been fixed.

Sitting with the 4x larger Spectrum Shay (80-ton vs. 20-ton).

Pulling 10 full size cars like it's no big deal.Big Smile

Getting this thing built has taken a lot of time and work, but it was all worth it!Big Smile After a little more fine-tuning, it runs smoothly, steadily, and pretty quietly for an engine with a spur gear transfer. It needs more run time before the low speed control is excellent, but it can still run pretty slowly. Some parts are fragile enough that I want to avoid taking it apart again, because believe me! This is not a fun engine to disassemble after it's been put together!!

I am overall very happy with my new Shay.Big Smile If anyone else is looking for a real challenge to be proud of, the Keystone Shay is it, and I would highly recommend it (to experts; beginners beware!!).Big Smile

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:13 PM

Arjay1969

 Very nice, Darth!  Now we need video of these beasties running! Big Smile

I'll try getting a video up.Big Smile

Once these are all done, I think I'll put up a Shay comparison for everyone. All three of my Shays (Spectrum, MDC, Keystone) are very nice, but wouldn't it be interesting to see how they are side-by-side?

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Posted by Arjay1969 on Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:24 AM

 Very nice, Darth!  Now we need video of these beasties running! Big Smile

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:34 AM

The Keystone Shay sitting by the much larger MDC/Roundhouse Shay. I'm hoping to have them both done this weekend.Big Smile

I also posted this in my topic for the other Shay. That Keystone Shay really is small next to another larger one!

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:41 AM

I've now finished the detail and added decals.Big Smile I meant to put the pictures up yesterday, but there was some sort of problem with logging in. But anyway, here they are.Big Smile


Left side. The Scalecoat paint is very high gloss, making it good for placing decals. It'll look better once it has the dull coat. The railroad name I put on is fictional.


Right side. The whistle that's on there isn't the original. The soft Keystone whistle somehow ended up under my chair, and is now quite flat. I used an extra Bowser whistle and some flattened brass wire to make a new one, and fortunately it turned out pretty good.Big Smile


Front. The boiler looks a lot better with the smokebox door on there.Big Smile You can't really see it in this picture, but the boiler and cab all lean to the left a little bit.


Back. Nothing too special here.


The cab. I blended Modelflex "Railbox Yellow" and "CSX Blue" to make the green paint, and it turned out very good.Big Smile

All that's left now is the dull coat and final assembly.Big Smile I think this is going to be one nice Shay when it's all finished.Big Smile

Arjay1969
About the paint...did you use some sort of primer?

No, I didn't use primer this time, and that may have been my problem. I figured that with the bold dark colors, I wouldn't need it. I think I will use it for my upcoming painting projects (Tenshodo GP20, Bowser L-1 2-8-2, Cary E6A, and MDC Harriman 2-8-0).

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