Best running HO locomotive

[mechanic]

I'm looking for everyones opinion on what the best running HO diesel locomotive might be.

I'm not looking for a highly detailed locomotive (but i'm not anti-detail)

I just want to know what loco out there that people have that runs the best.

diesel only please and I'm running DC on my layout (ATM) if that makes a difference.

Thanks

Eric

[Geared Steam]

Depends on what dollar amount you are looking to spend.

 

[cwclark]

  Out of all my locomotives i have to say that my Athearn GP-9 runs the best. All my athearn and atlas locos do very well. i also have a couple of athearn genesis that run well and a couple of bachmann spectrums that also perform well. The only locomotives that give me the worst trouble so far, have been of course Tyco but that was years ago, and Life-like's Proto 1000 series...chuck

[BRAKIE]

The majority of today's locomotives are smooth runners and the age old question of "Best running HO locomotive" is basically outdated...ALL  manufacturers can produce a lemon or have some bad ones to slip by QC..There is NO exceptions to that rule.

[BRAKIE]

  Out of all my locomotives i have to say that my Athearn GP-9 runs the best. All my athearn and atlas locos do very well. i also have a couple of athearn genesis that run well and a couple of bachmann spectrums that also perform well. The only locomotives that give me the worst trouble so far, have been of course Tyco but that was years ago, and Life-like's Proto 1000 series...chuck

 

Chuck,I have a old Athearn GP7 that will creep from tie to tie and its roughly 33 years old!

[dadret]

As others have said it depends a lot on what you want to spend.  I run DCC but Walthers Proto are very good and so are BLI (PCM).

[tstage]

I'm looking for everyones opinion on what the best running HO diesel locomotive might be.

I'm not looking for a highly detailed locomotive (but i'm not anti-detail)

I just want to know what loco out there that people have that runs the best.

diesel only please and I'm running DC on my layout (ATM) if that makes a difference.

Thanks

Eric

Eric,

For smoothest running, you just can't beat the Buehler and Cannon drives on the Stewart locomotives.  However, they only carry early, 1st and 2nd generation diesels.  For more modern versions, Kato, Atlas, and Proto 2000 would be a great choice.

Tom

[selector]

I have two early diesels made by P2K (Walthers now) and I like how they perform.  I would have to say my showpiece, though, in every respect, is the Atlas Gold Series Trainmaster.  Wow, oh wow!

[twhite]

I don't have much in the way of diesels, but of the three I've got, I'd say that my Genesis F-3 A/B set is certainly one of the most powerful, smooth and quiet locos I've seen.  I'm also DC, BTW, and these babies can crawl from tie to tie with the best of them. 

Tom

[don7]

I have a mix of mainly EMD F units and I would rate the engines in the following order

Intermountain

Stewart - Kato Drive

Athearn Genesis

Stewart - Stewart Drive

Atlas/Proto

The power pack you use also makes a difference with the running aspects of the engines. I use an old MRC ControlMaster X. It has adjustments for voltage and momentum variances. A great old power pack.

[KlickyMobster]

I think my Atlas C425 is best locomotive I own, based against P2K, Bachmann Spectrum, Walthers Trainline, Athearn RTR, and other Atlas's.  It's a VERY smooth runner and will creep along like it's barely moving.  I paid $65 for it

[jeffrey-wimberly]

Of the locos that I have the Proto 2000's do quite well. On the cheaper side the best runners I have are Athearn BB locos. I have an Athearn F7A that can crawl so slowly you have to put a marker down then look away for a few seconds then look back to see that it actually moved the width of a couple of hairs. About the only thing I don't like about the BB locos is that they're a tad noisy. But after a while that noise grows on you.

[lvanhen]

The majority of my locos are Athearn BB that are up to 45+ years old - and still running!!  I have newer Athearns, Atlas, BLI, Walthers Trainline, Rivarossi, and Genisis.  The only ones I have that are NOT good runners are a couple of Bachmanns.  My

[RRTrainman]

I'm looking for everyones opinion on what the best running HO diesel locomotive might be.

I'm not looking for a highly detailed locomotive (but i'm not anti-detail)

I just want to know what loco out there that people have that runs the best.

diesel only please and I'm running DC on my layout (ATM) if that makes a difference.

Thanks

Eric

Think it would be my old BB Athreans that I have alot of.  I run DC also haven't had the time to switch yet to DCC but my PA1 Proto 2000 has it hands down as the best runner. 

[Been Nothing Since Frisco (BNSF)]

Out of all my loco's My (I know i'll miss spell this) ravvarosa (IDK how to spell it but I know its that brand) runs best but it take a little extra power to get it going. (ok I know that was a steamer as for desil (the two desils I have) I like my athern c44-9w over my bachmann sd40-2

[Been Nothing Since Frisco (BNSF)]

--edit--

I looked it up and its rivaossi. sorry bout that yall.

Is's a rivarossi AHM

[NevinW]

Stewart F7 Kato drive.  Best I have ever seen.  -  Nevin

[BCSJ]

Of the locos that I have the Proto 2000's do quite well. On the cheaper side the best runners I have are Athearn BB locos. I have an Athearn F7A that can crawl so slowly you have to put a marker down then look away for a few seconds then look back to see that it actually moved the width of a couple of hairs. About the only thing I don't like about the BB locos is that they're a tad noisy. But after a while that noise grows on you.

While my proto 2000 SD7s ran very nicely when new and on level ground I've come to have a love/hate affair with them. One of the three has developed a problem somewhere in the gear train which chatters or howls. Sigh. And *all* of them were early-on prohibited from service where they were going down grade with a long train behind them (> 1.5% with more than 10 cars) because the slop in the gear train made them 'pogo' (there are two fixes for this - a) disassemble the gear train and shim the worm gears, and b) use a back emf decoder to tame to pogos - but that much back emf makes them 'buck' when in a consist).

My best running locomotives are Kato RS-2 and RS2C units. The only flaw I've found in them is they don't have much lateral tracking in their trucks so track which rocks side to side on a curve will easily derail them (persnikity buggers they are).  And no pogoing on a down grade with long trains behind them (and no shims or back-emf decoders).

Cheers,

Charlie Comstock 

[cudaken]

 I have a bunch of Athearns new and old and they see a lot of run time. But, with that being said my Proto 2000's and 1000's are the best I have. My Athearns need a lot more lubing and care than the PK's. Except the PK2's BL2's that where made in the 80's I have yet to repair any of my Protos!

 My worst pulling Proto is a SD-7, it will only pull 20 or so cars up my 1.5% grade. MY F-3 PK 1000 are great pullers, one F-3 will drag 30 cars. I have 4 and ran out of room before I ran out of power. Proto E-6's, they are the best pullers I have. One E-6 will drag 45 cars up my grade.

 Cost is a round $60.00 each. My F-3 1000's are Monon and came as powered A&B set at $90.00. E-6's 2000's came as a powered A & B dummie Santa Fe War Bonnet for $95.00.

 Proto 1000's have less details than the 2000's.

             Cuda Ken

[NS AS-416]

Best running loco is really subjective. Here are a few ways I can rate some locos in my fleet:

Quietest mechanism: 1) Atlas Classic RS-1/Kato SD-40/Atlas Master B23-7 2) P2K SD60 (Pre-walthers) 3)P2K GP-18 4) Stewart/Bowser DS-4-4-1000 5) Athearn BB GP50/60/ RTR SD-40 (distant 5th by the way)

Smoothest DC operation: 1) Atlas Classic RS-1/Kato SD-40/Atlas Master B23-7 2) Stewart/Bowser DS-4-4-1000 3) P2K SD60/ P2K GP-18/ Athearn RTR SD-40 4) Athearn BB GP50/60 (could be better than the P2K's with more TLC)

If you are considering upgrading to DCC in the future and will be converting your locos this may be of use.

Performance after DCC conversion: 1) Atlas Classic RS-1/ Stewart/Bowser DS-4-4-1000 2)Athearn RTR SD-40 3)P2K SD60/ P2K GP-18 (Started Pogoing on STRAIGHT AND LEVEL track at low speeds - still have not figured out why). The others are not rated because they have not been converted yet.

Quick picks based on my experience (DC versions assumed) :
Budget loco (Around $100 or less): Athearn RTR and ATLAS Classic (if you can find them - got mine at a show)
Midrange loco (Between $100-$200): Bowser/Stewart - Tradition Line, Kato, Atlas Master Series

Hope this helps.
Matt

[barrok]

I love my P2K SW8.  It is a fantastic runner.  I have an Athearn GP9 from the 70's -- still runs great -- I run it all the time.  Very smooth but a bit noisy (built in sound-decoder!)  Avoid the Bachman diesels -- every one I have has needed drive train work, esp. the gears.  Once they are worked on and tweaked they are good, but it will take some work.  I have a 44 tonner and a baby trainmaster that run great now. 

 

Chuck

[aloco]

My Life-Like GM switchers run the best. Second to them would be the Atlas Alco RS-3s and RSD-4s.

[riogrande5761]

To the original poster,

I would agree with don7's list (I have never ran an Intermountain howver): 

...

Stewart - Kato Drive

Athearn Genesis

Stewart - Stewart Drive

Atlas

Proto

...

As for the comments on Athearn being good runners.  Athearn can be good runners but it's a bit of a crap shoot.  Just as many have complained about noise etc.  Athearns QAQC isn't solid so people get engines that need some help to be better.  That said, if you need a tunnel motor, it has to be Athearn!  I have lots of them but if you want a 99% chance of a smooth engine, stick to Stewart, KATO and Atlas.  Genesis can be very smooth but occasionally Athearns ugly QAQC problem shows up in Genesis but to a lessor degree.

Proto 2000 can be smooth, but experienced modelers know that they don't hold up under heavy use (mainly the 1990's models) like Joe Fugate.  The newest P2K F7's are suppose to be much better than the old issue P2K, which often had cracked gears.

[BRAKIE]

Rio said:but if you want a 99% chance of a smooth engine, stick to Stewart, KATO and Atlas. 

 

Just don't bet the farm..I have had minor problems with 14 of my 37 Atlas locos to include having 4 out of 8 GP38 current boards to fail..The funniest  was a "thumping noise..This turn out to be a small piece of Chinese  noodle or rice.

I suspect that's what happens when these locomotives see extensive run time.

 

Of my 23 RTR Athearns I am yet to have any of the reported issues..I think a lot of Athearns QC problems is modelers believing they should run as smooth as a Atlas or Kato at half the cost..

 

[lvanhen]

Brakie - you hit that one on the head!!  The older BB Athearns were never known for "silent running"!!  In the '60's, if you wanted a good quality engine and didn't have the budget for brass, the only other choice was Athearn.  Yea, the old bodies were a few scale inches too wide to get a motor inside, but I doubt that anyone would really notice that while it was running around the layout!!  Not to change the subject, but I remember a review of a Walthers truck trailer that one of the now defunct mags gave a two page review on!!  This was a 5 minute model if you took your time but didn't weather!!  The kicker was that a verticle row of rivits was 114 when it should have been 116!!!  Now if you're a real rivit counting nit picker, stay away from Athearn BB or be ready to spend weeks modifying it!!  For most of us, a few inches, a rivit or two, and a little noise, you can live with - for the price!!  BTW, I always like to imagine the noise was the diesel engine running!!

[csxns]

Brakie, talking about Atlas locos the only problems i have is with two models the 8-40C and 8-40CW some of them have a humning noise but any other Atlas they run ok.Now the Athearn i think they are the most rugged trains out their.

[Been Nothing Since Frisco (BNSF)]

Now the Athearn i think they are the most rugged trains out their.

I agrea, my athearn RTR c44-9w derailed and fell about 2 1/2 to 3 ft and it still works fine. (I was scaerd it was busted up bad, but it still lives on.) 

[steamnut]

Literal answer is easy - Stewart F7 with Kato drive. I have other Stewart models that also run excellently but somehow the silence and smoothness of their F7 is simply unmatched.

Having said that, as others have noted there are many diesel models today that run EXTREMELY well. My Atlas/Kato, Athearn/Genesis F7, and later-production Proto 2000s, as well as my other Stewarts and the Intermountains, all run very well, on a scale of 100 if I put the Stewart F7 at 98 (well I can still hear something) these would be a 95 - 96.

[Don Gibson]

BEST? Best at what?

PRICE: (cheapest)  Bachmann & all Toy 'starter' sets.

RUNNING: (consistant)  Kato

PULLING: InterMountain

DETAIL:  Proto 2000 & Newer releases (Varies)

Above differences are minor - mostly on emphasis.

QVERALL: (personal preference - individual models).   InterMountain, Proto 2000, current Athearn (Genesis/RTR/B.B.kits.)

EVERYONE HAS FAVORITES: depend on individals drawing different lines in the sand between acceptable vs. unacceptable.  I like Engines that 'crawl' and cars that roll'.           

SOME have 1-2 engines, SOME 52, and compare. Some products are Generic while others try to be prototypical. Does that matter? Do you model a Prototype?

[tankertoad70]

Lotsa good and varied input here.  My favorite, best runners, are still my Athearns.  I say this 'cause of their simple, durable mechanisms that run very nicely when broken in such as my SW1500 here with over 50 hours of running time on her. She starts moving  at around 1.5 volts and is very smooth throughout the speed range.