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Program Tsunami IM1000 for Flashing Ditch Lights

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Program Tsunami IM1000 for Flashing Ditch Lights
Posted by rockymidlandrr on Monday, June 22, 2015 11:11 PM

Hi,

I've tried fooling with this for a few hours with no luck.  I have a IM CSX SD40-2 I just installed a Tsunami IM1000 decoder into.  The problem I have is that I cannot get the ditch lights to flash.  With my tinkering with it I managed to get one to flash with the horn being blown, but not both.  

So the question is, what CV's do I need to change and to what value?  The Intermountain's have LED ditch lights on them as that is for consideration too.  Thanks for the help!

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Posted by RR Baron on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:03 AM
To which decoder output have you wired each ditch light?
 
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Posted by blabride on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:28 AM

http://www.soundtraxx.com/documents/appnotes/ath_rtr_f59phi.pdf

Take a look at the last page of this installation. It worked for me.

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Posted by blabride on Tuesday, June 23, 2015 10:31 AM

There is also a addendum for that specific decoder with reference to lighting affects.

http://www.soundtraxx.com/manuals/tsuim1000_userguide_addendum.pdf

 

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Posted by Jacktal on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:06 PM

Try these numbers...

CV39=6    CV40=0   CV51=169    CV52=185

Ditch lights should turn constant on or off with F5 and blink alternatively for a while when using horn.Settings may differ but I think this is what you want.If not,you'll have to be more specific.

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Posted by RR Baron on Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:00 PM

RR Baron
To which decoder output have you wired each ditch light?
 
 

OP has not answered question so . . . .

Per available documentation CV 52 is the control for ditch lighting effects.

Ref: Tsunami User’s Guide for the TSU-IM1000 Digital Sound Decoder,  Page 5

http://www.soundtraxx.com/manuals/tsuim1000_userguide_addendum.pdf

 Intermoutain HO CSX SD 40-2 Diesel EMD 645 Turbo . The working LED ditch lights are factory wired together (Pin 4).  Therefore CV 52 controls hyperlight effect for both ditch lights. Thus with only one controlling CV for both ditch lights you can program the ditch lights to flash but cannot have alternating flashing ditch lights.

 

With F5 on then when horn sounded, ditch lights flash together (not alternating) and return to steady on.
Try
CV 40 = 2
CV 52 = 169

CV 57 = 193

CV 59 = 3

CV 60 = 4

 

I do not have locomotive with TSU-IM1000 Part # 828071 installed to verify these settings

 

 

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Posted by Jacktal on Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:57 PM

Well...I had assumed that all Tsunami 1000 series were created equal function wise.I gave numbers that work with both AT and KT types and hadn't checked this one.It not only wires differently,it programs differently too...my mistake.

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Posted by RR Baron on Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:48 PM
We do not yet know if mine is the correct answer. Because rockymidlandrr wrote about getting one ditch light to flash but not the other made me start by inquiring about the wiring.  I wonder if his locomotive does not have the ditch lights wired together as the decoder for his locomotive is wired to support.
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Posted by rockymidlandrr on Thursday, June 25, 2015 5:58 PM
That is correct, I changed the CV's to make the F6 function flash and one bulb did and the other did not. It remained a steady on. The F5 button illuminates the number lights on these engines. But with all that said, the ditch lights are wired in the 6 pin slot, but are wired into separate pins. Like I said, hitting F6 turns them both on right now, and I can get one to flash but the other remains a steady on.
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Posted by Jacktal on Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:28 PM

Do you want to experiment a little?You could always reset the decoder (CV30=2) if it messes things up.

CV51 usually controls one ditch light while CV52 controls the other.On this model,they elected to use CV51 for number boards and then use CV52 & 53 to control the ditch lights (GEVO version).

I believe you have the 645 Turbo version but still,if the ditch lights are wired separately to pin 4 and pin 6,as it seems to be,then the following numbers MAY work,even if not stipulated for the specific decoder.It may be an oversight in the instruction sheets.Not much to lose anyway.

I'd try these and have my fingers crossed...CV52=169.......CV53=185.Hope it works..... 

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Posted by RR Baron on Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:18 PM

rockymidlandrr,

What is the Part # of the SoundTraxx decoder you installed?

What DCC system are you using?

 

Read CV, what value is in

CV 39 =

CV 40 =

CV 41 =

CV 51 =

CV 52 =

CV 53 =

CV 54 =

CV 57 =

CV 59 =

CV 60 =

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Posted by rockymidlandrr on Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:27 PM
It's a IM1000 decoder. It's made to fit intermountain engines. I'm using a digitrax system.
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Posted by RR Baron on Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:39 PM

rockymidlandrr
It's a IM1000 decoder. It's made to fit intermountain engines. I'm using a digitrax system.

 

Be specific -- 

 

SoundTraxx makes three IM 1000 decoders, what is the part number on the packaging?

 

Which Digitrax command station? Which Digitrax throttle if separate from command station?

 

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Posted by rockymidlandrr on Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:47 PM
It's the IM1000 645 turbo decoder, and a digitrax system with a DT400 or DT402 throttle.
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Posted by hobo9941 on Thursday, June 25, 2015 10:23 PM

I have a Tsunami in an SD 70. Here is what worked for me, for alternateing ditch lights. To flash alternately, they have to be treated as two separate functions. F5 turns on one ditchlight for me and F6 turns on the other. You might want to remap the number board lights to another function, maybe to come on with the headlight. These CV values worked for me in a TSU 1000 for flashing ditchlights when horn blows.

CV 43 to 128

CV 51 to 42

CV 52 to 57, or try 58

CV 60 to 6, 0 to 15 is the range, and controls how long they continue to flash after horn stops

CV 59 to 6, 0 to 15 is the range, and controls the flash rate.

As another poster said, you can always just reset to the default settings and start over.

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Posted by Jacktal on Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:02 AM

I think I finally understood how it goes but then I'm not really sure.Since I don't have one of these decoders,all I can say is theory.

Soundtraxx's instructions should be a little more "in depth".Here's what I believe the settings should be for this particular decoder.<

F5  CV39=2   Controls the number board lighting.

F6  CV40=36 (or 4+32)  4=FX6 (CV52) and 32=FX7=FX5B (CV53)

     CV52=41 (169 with LEDs)

     CV53=57 (185 with LEDs)

These settings should have ditch lights turned on steady with F6 then have them flashing alternatively when using the horn.However,Soundtraxx don't say if this particular decoder supports this but since the ditch lights are wired on different pins,there's a fair chance it will work.

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Posted by PennCentral99 on Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:43 PM

I have an Intermountain ES44AC that came with factory installed Soundtraxx Tsunami IM-1000 . The lights are all LED. I have not changed any of the wiring. F5 is for the number board and F6 is for the ditch lights. In order to get the ditch lights to flash and alternate, I programmed CV52 = 143 (glow on/off) and CV54 to 185. I'm sure you could use a value of 169 (simple on/off) for CV52 and it should work.

I would have to take off the sheel to see how they wired the ditch lights at the factory.

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Posted by rockymidlandrr on Saturday, July 4, 2015 8:42 PM

hobo9941

I have a Tsunami in an SD 70. Here is what worked for me, for alternateing ditch lights. To flash alternately, they have to be treated as two separate functions. F5 turns on one ditchlight for me and F6 turns on the other. You might want to remap the number board lights to another function, maybe to come on with the headlight. These CV values worked for me in a TSU 1000 for flashing ditchlights when horn blows.

CV 43 to 128

CV 51 to 42

CV 52 to 57, or try 58

CV 60 to 6, 0 to 15 is the range, and controls how long they continue to flash after horn stops

CV 59 to 6, 0 to 15 is the range, and controls the flash rate.

As another poster said, you can always just reset to the default settings and start over.

 

 

I programmed the decoder to these CV's.  Now the left dight light comes on with the F6 function and the right with the F5 function along with the numberboards, but when the horn is blown the ditch lights do flash as I have wanted though.  Any thoughts on getting both ditch lights to work on the F6 key?  And no, the numberboards do not flash.

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Posted by Jacktal on Saturday, July 4, 2015 11:47 PM

I'd like to help but can't come up with numbers differing from the ones I posted in my last reply.I'm not sure they're any good but suspect they are.Since it seems you haven't tried them,they aren't proven wrong either.Might as well give them a try,the decoder can be re-written to the current values should they fail.

BTW   CV43=8 (F9,manual control of engines fans).

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Posted by hobo9941 on Monday, July 6, 2015 12:47 AM

If I recall, the instructions said the ditch lights have to be treated as two separate functions to flash alternately. They apparently work now as you wanted them to work. I'm not sure how you would get them to both work on the same function key. You are on your own there. You might want to remap the number board lights to some other function key if possible. Or just let them come on with the ditch lights. I'm actually surprised the number board lights don't also flash the way you have it programmed. Maybe you could just program the number boards to come on with the headlight. The problem as I see it is you only have so many functions, and the ditch lights take up two of the available functions. Your decoder likely has four lighting functions. And the headlight and backup light are two, and the ditch lights take up the other two.

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Posted by Jacktal on Monday, July 6, 2015 9:05 PM

Actually what happens right now is that the decoder is using both F5 functions (FX5 & FX5B) thus the number boards and the flashing ditch light (left I believe) do come on together though with a different effect.They are still linked together by the decoder's software because mapping isn't correct yet.FX5B has to be mapped together with FX6 so that FX5 (board lights) becomes independent from F6,and so doing would have both ditch lights controlled by F6.

The way I understand it,these should be the right numbers:

F5  CV39=2    F6  CV40=36  should get the mapping right.

Then the effects:CV51=15     CV52=169 (for LED)     CV53=185 (for LED)

The IM1000 decoder is a special one the has the extra F5B & F6B functions that other regular Tsunamis don't have yet.They don't have the physical connections nor the CV to support these features but I'd bet they'll become a standard feature on future generations of Tsunamis.The CVs are already in the manuals.

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Posted by hobo9941 on Monday, July 6, 2015 11:13 PM

Now I'm all confused. Carry on. Whistling

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Posted by Jacktal on Tuesday, July 7, 2015 12:06 AM

We'll only know if I'm right when the IM1000 is tested with these numbers,that is when the gentleman tryes them and if he cares reporting the results to us.I don't own one of these decoders so I'm guessing.

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