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Next Up: Proto 2000 Alco PA?

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Posted by JimT on Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:08 PM

richhotrain

I have a RRampMeter wired in line to measure voltage and amps.

My Proto 2000 ATSF PAs each draw 0.49 amps, so I obviously have the later version.  I would be curious what the current draw is on your PA locos.

Rich

Rich, if you're asking about my locos, the one I tested drew 1 amp even at full throttle and 2.5 amps stalled with me holding the flywheel. The range on the multimeter is 0-20A, so obviously if I got an ammeter that showed fractions from 0 to 5 amps, I'd likely have a somewhat more precise figure.

So Mark's point is well-taken, if I run the two units together as an AA lashup, I'm pretty much at the limit of what the Power Cab can do, and that's without hooking up a train or climbing grades. 

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:41 PM

 Used to be an easy way to tell that stuff - Before Walthers, Life Like had a section of their web site that listed all the Proto 2000 runs and release dates, cars and locos. Walthers needs to restore this.

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:12 PM

rrinker

 Used to be an easy way to tell that stuff - Before Walthers, Life Like had a section of their web site that listed all the Proto 2000 runs and release dates, cars and locos. Walthers needs to restore this.

                    --Randy

 

If you had the original Lifelike url, you could probably find that page using an Internet Archive.

Mark. 

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, February 21, 2015 4:57 PM

Ok - Here's the definitive list of first releases ....

Item # Description  

21611 

Delaware & Hudson #16 (w/Mars Light& Dynamic Brakes)

Blue Bonnet 

21612 

Delaware & Hudson #18 (w/ML & DB)

21613 

Erie #862

Green 

21614 

Erie #863

21615 

New Haven #0762

As Delivered:Dark Green 

21616 

New Haven #0773

21617 

New York Central #4200

Lightning Stripe 

21618 

New York Central #4201

21619 

New York Central #4300 (B-unit)

21620 

New York Central #4301 (B-unit)

21625 

Union Pacific #600 (w/ML & DB)

Yellow & Gray with Red & Black Lettering 

21626 

Union Pacific #604 (w/ML & DB)

21627 

Union Pacific #602B (B-unit w/DB)

21628 

Union Pacific #605B (B-unit w/DB)

21629 

Wabash #1020 (w/ML)

As Delivered: Gray & Blue 

21630 

Wabash #1020A (w/ML)

21670 

St. Louis Southwestern #300

Daylight 

21671 

St. Louis Southwestern #301

21631 

Undecorated (w/ML & DB, original # board)

 

21632 

Undecorated (B-Unit w/DB)

21609 

Undecorated (w/ML & DB, 45° board)

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Posted by JimT on Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:28 PM

That's great, thanks Mark! where did you find the list?

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, February 21, 2015 5:40 PM

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Posted by JimT on Saturday, February 21, 2015 6:20 PM

Mark R.

that's awesome, I've heard of those sites before, never used one. Really appreciate your digging that up!

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Posted by dante on Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:09 PM

My PAs are Erie 853 & 857, black and yellow; therefore, apparently a later release. 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:31 PM

Mark R.

Good work, Mark.

My two ATSF PA units are 21568 and 21569.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:01 AM

According to an other listing, my 4-stripe D&RGW was from the 2nd run.

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Posted by JimT on Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:28 AM

riogrande5761

According to an other listing, my 4-stripe D&RGW was from the 2nd run.

Couldn't figure out how to make the wayback machine work (Sad), but I did some google searches for "Proto 2000 Alco PA second release" and turned up a link to a discussion on another board that lists the road names for the third release, which were announced in June 1998 with scheduled delivery in September 1998:

http://www.craftsclassic.com/10_eb1999f61727c6fa_1.htm

So according to this source, the LV units I have are third-release locomotives.

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Posted by Mark R. on Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:44 AM

Second release ....

Santa Fe (#51 & #52) w/ML&DB War Bonnet 
D&RGW (#51A & #52A) w/ML & DB 4 Stripe Silver & Gold 
Erie (#853 & #857) Black & Yellow 
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (w/ML) Maroon & Red w/gold stripe 
Nickel Plate (#187 & #190) W/ML As delivered - Blue & White 
Pennsylvania (#5754A & #5755A) Brunswick Green 5 Stripe 
Southern Pacific (#6036 & #6043) W/ML & DB) ***y Nose 
Undec W/ML, original number board 
Undec W/ML, 45 degree number board 

Third release ....

ATSF (#70, #73) 
D&RGW (#600, #601) original black & yellow 
Erie-Lackawanna (#857, #859) gray and maroon w/ yellow stripes 
Lehigh Valley (#609, #611) Cornell Red w/black stripes 
Missouri Pacific (#8002, #8007) Blue & Gray Eagle 
New Haven (#0763, #0776) McGinnis - secony red, black, white 
Pennsylvania (#5752A, #5753A) tuscan red, five stripe 
Southern Pacific (#6005, #6009) Daylight

There was also at least a fourth release as well as they also did D&H 17 and 19 which aren't listed in the first three runs.  

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, February 22, 2015 12:02 PM

Those two ATSF locos in the 3rd release, numbered 70 and 73, are my PAs, item numbers 21568 and 21569.

Rich

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Posted by JimT on Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:45 PM

Just an update to this thread, I did end up getting two of the TCS DP2X-UK decoders (I unfortunately ordered the regular DP2X by mistake, had to reorder--hence the delay) and have them both installed. Both work fine. 

I have to go back to my NCE manual to learn how to MU them together as a consist, then I will know if they will blow the system with just the 2amp Power Cab. I probably won't get to this until tomorrow though.

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Posted by farrellaa on Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:32 PM

I had forgotten about a pair of the PA's I had in NYC and they are on the list as a first release. I guess I will just leave them DC and resell them or 'loan' them to my display case.

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Posted by dante on Friday, February 27, 2015 10:31 PM

farrellaa

I had forgotten about a pair of the PA's I had in NYC and they are on the list as a first release. I guess I will just leave them DC and resell them or 'loan' them to my display case.

   -Bob

 

Why not call or email TCS and see if they have any experience with that release or other suggestions. They are very helpful.

Dante

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Posted by Mark R. on Friday, February 27, 2015 11:06 PM

It's not so much a matter of finding a decoder that will handle that extra current, but that extra current is unnecessarily being robbed from your DCC system.

If that motor is drawing nearly 3 amps, that's equivalent to running six "normal" engines. If you are running a pair of them, that could potentially overload a 5 amp supply on their own !

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Posted by The Ferro Kid on Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:20 PM

Mark R.

Second release ....

Santa Fe (#51 & #52) w/ML&DB War Bonnet 
D&RGW (#51A & #52A) w/ML & DB 4 Stripe Silver & Gold 
Erie (#853 & #857) Black & Yellow 
Gulf, Mobile & Ohio (w/ML) Maroon & Red w/gold stripe 
Nickel Plate (#187 & #190) W/ML As delivered - Blue & White 
Pennsylvania (#5754A & #5755A) Brunswick Green 5 Stripe 
Southern Pacific (#6036 & #6043) W/ML & DB) ***y Nose 
Undec W/ML, original number board 
Undec W/ML, 45 degree number board 

Third release ....

ATSF (#70, #73) 
D&RGW (#600, #601) original black & yellow 
Erie-Lackawanna (#857, #859) gray and maroon w/ yellow stripes 
Lehigh Valley (#609, #611) Cornell Red w/black stripes 
Missouri Pacific (#8002, #8007) Blue & Gray Eagle 
New Haven (#0763, #0776) McGinnis - secony red, black, white 
Pennsylvania (#5752A, #5753A) tuscan red, five stripe 
Southern Pacific (#6005, #6009) Daylight

There was also at least a fourth release as well as they also did D&H 17 and 19 which aren't listed in the first three runs.  

Mark.

 

 

Believe this was the fourth and final Release, and that by then it was under Walthers ownership:


40100 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe #59B w/Mars Light & 58A HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40101 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe #62B w/Mars Light & 60A HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40102 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA w/Mars Light - Powered -- Delaware & Hudson #17 HO 89.98N 15-Mar-2006

40103 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA w/Mars Light - Powered -- Delaware & Hudson #19 HO 89.98N 15-Mar-2006

40104 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Denver & Rio Grande Western(TM) #6001/6002 HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40105 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Denver & Rio Grande Western(TM) #6013/6012 HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40106 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA - Powered -- New Haven #0762 HO 89.98N 15-Mar-2006

40107 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA - Powered -- New Haven #0769 HO 89.98N 15-Mar-2006

40108 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set - Powered -- Pennsylvania #5756A/5756B HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40109 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set - Powered -- Pennsylvania #5759A/5752B HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40110 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Union Pacific(R) #605 w/Mars Light & 600B HO 179.95N 15-Mar-2006

40111 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set w/Mars Light - Powered -- Union Pacific(R) #606/606B HO $179.95 15-Mar-2006

40112 PROTO 2000 Diesel ALCO PA-PB Set - Powered -- Alco Demonstrator #8375/8375B HO $179.95 15-Mar-2006

 

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Posted by fa-1 on Saturday, June 20, 2015 8:53 PM

I have 3 P2K LL PA's in NH colors. thanks to this forum I now know #0762 & #0773 are 1st release[high amp]  and #0763 is 3rd release[low amp]                   

all 3 of these loco's have early Soundtraxx DCC sound decoders /speakers installed about 10 years ago.  they have had no problems. have run at home as single units, and at MRR Club layout as A-A consist pulling both pass[5-6cars] & freight[10-20 cars] on 1-2% grades with no trouble.

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Posted by Ron High on Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:30 AM

Thank to those of you who dug up the release info on the PAs .I know that my first release NH PAs have an issue that may be dealt with.I run DC but it sounds like the motors should be replaced with a lower current draw motor . There is no reason even in DC to draw this high current even though I have 2 Controlmaster 20s. I need to replace the headlights with leds anyway.

Ron High

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