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Posted by tstage on Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:15 AM

I believe Zimo has a sound decoder.

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Posted by NP2626 on Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:18 AM

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Now Digitrax decoders are all crap. Yes, ALL of them. I have had three of them, and they all suck.

I have installed many Digitrax DZ123s in Stewart, Atlas, P2K, IHC, Model Power and MDC Roundhouse locomotives and all are performing very well, indeed.  I have been extremely happy with the Digitrax products I own; so, had been wondering about installing their sound decoders in a couple of my steam locos.  However, I'm hearing that people seem to be dissatisfied with Digitrax's sound decoders. Hense my original question, above.

How many sound decoder manufacturers are there?  I know of: Digitrax, Soundtraxx, Loksound, QSI and MRC.  I see that Bachmann offers locos with sound; but, doesn't seem to offer decoders as stand alone products.  Are there any others?

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:17 PM

gatrhumpy

Now Digitrax decoders are all crap. Yes, ALL of them. I have had three of them, and they all suck.

I'm sorry to hear that, gatrhumpy.  I have a DZ123 and a DH143 in a couple of switchers and they have very nice motor control.  With that said, I still prefer Lenz, NCE, and TCS decoders.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:44 PM

I can only relate my experience, some of it dated and some very recent.

About six years ago, the model railroad world heaved a huge collective sigh of relief when Soundtraxx finally launched their Tsunami decoders.  It improved as they branched out into light, medium heavy steam, and their diesels.   Things were peachy for about five years.

Then both QSI and ESU LokSound launched their Revolution Series and 3.5 respectively.  Wow, and decisions, decisions.  At about that time, two years ago or more, I had a Stealth BLI J Class 4-8-4 needing a sound decoder.  I elected to purchase a tried-and-true Tsunami 'heavy steam' because the Norfolk & Western 4-8-4 is indeed a heavy locomotive.  It didn't run all that well at low speeds.  I saw a thread dealing with fine-tuning low-speed control with Tsunamis on another forum and decided to give it a try.  WOW!!!  That Stealth J Class turned into a silk purse suddenly!

Buuuuuuuuuttttt,,, there was that generic rod clank that I couldn't shut off or turn down, no matter what I did.  Further, if you listen to recent Tsunami installations today on youtube, they all have that same generic rod clank, same pitch, same omnipresence...[sigh...].

My recent experience (and I haven't the slightest doubt LokSound could match it hands down) is with the new QSI Titan series.  I have two 'universal' Titans installed in the newest steamer purchases, a BlueLine A Class 2-6-6-4 from BLI and a Bachmann Spectrum Heavy Mountain 4-8-2.  Both are truly welcome additions to my roster because of reputation and actual finish, fit, and running qualities.  Believe me, the Titan doesn't diminish either engine, and for the sound enthusiast, it is a welcome improvement from the Revolution Series from QSI.

The upshot is that, without knowing how the latest LokSounds are, the QSI Titan is now my go-to sound decoder.

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Posted by gatrhumpy on Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:23 PM

On the flip-side I have had three, count them three, different MRC sound decoders for over five years, and they have been awesome. I have a Soundtraxx decoder for my Model Power 4-6-2 Pacific, and it's great, but to get a Soundtraxx decoder in an Atlas diesel is darned near impossible. MRC was the way to go.

Now Digitrax decoders are all crap. Yes, ALL of them. I have had three of them, and they all suck.

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Posted by alexstan on Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:55 PM
Well, I've used both the Loksound V3.5 and the Loksound Select, and frankly, I think the Select performs just as well as the V3.5.

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Posted by NP2626 on Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:04 PM

Thanks to all who responded!

I dislike answers like: "You get what you pay for!"  Paying more is not always a guarantees you're getting the highest/best quality!  

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:46 AM

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What sound decoders have you found to be a good value for the money?  I'm unsure why Soundtraxx' Tsunami decoders are worth roughly twice the cost of their competition.

It depends on what's important to you.  I prefer great motor control so LokSound and the new QSI are my choices.  I have yet to come across a Soundtraxx decoder - even after adjusting - that can match either one.

Sound primarily depends on the quality of the original sound recording and how well it's sampled.  While the LokSound whistle and chuff in my Trix Mike is fair, at best, the playable horn and bell of my LokSound Selector decoder in my Stewart VO-660 is excellent.  OTOH, a similar Tsunami decoder in a Stewart VO-1000 I had yielded an anemic and monotone horn and poor motor control.  It went back to the vendor pronto.

Even though the Loksound 3.5 decoder in my Trix Mike has so-so sound files (except the bell, which is nice and crisp), I can always hold out for a better sound file, as long as the motor control is excellent.  To me - that has greater "value" than sound ever will.

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Posted by rdgk1se3019 on Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:09 AM

I have a set of P2K F7`s (ABA), Atlas MP15, 2 Atlas GP40-2`s.

All with QSI sound.......and to me they all sound the same.

I have a 3 unit set of P2K GP30`s that I installed Tsunami`s into and they sound great.

Next weekend at the Timonium show I`m picking up a TSU-750 micro Tsunami for my Walthers doodlebug.

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Posted by cacole on Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:53 AM

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I like the Tsunami's better, but can not complain about the Loksound or QSI except to say the QSI has lost it's programming several times so I won't buy another one.

I thought I was the only one that had ran across this problem with QSI losing its programming, since there has been little mention of that on these forums.
We have 15 or 20 locomotives with factory-equipped QSI sound decoders in them, primarily diesels, that sometimes have to have a factory reset and reprogramming.  Not all of them, but enough to be an aggravation.
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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:50 AM

Elmer,I haven't had any problems yet but,I only used the simple CV setting acceleration(CV3),deceleration(CV4) start(CV2) and top volt(CV5),the master volume(CV49) and  horn type(CV50)..Again the sound is ok.

When and if it fails I will probably buy a Tsunami and ask for help soldering the fool thing.

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:24 AM

You get what you pay for. 

I have had MRC sound decoders and they failed in about a year.  So I had to buy new decoders.  So how does that make MRC decoders a better buy?

People here report that the Digitrax sound decoders don't sound very well, so I have left them alone.

I have tried most sound decoders except for Digitrax.  I have one Loksound decoder, and one QSI, and many Tsunami's.  I like the Tsunami's better, but can not complain about the Loksound or QSI except to say the QSI has lost it's programming several times so I won't buy another one.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:01 AM

IMHO the Tsunami is probably the best out there.I like the sound of the EMD 567 and 645E used in the SW1500 and other units.

Now,I have  MRC 645  sound decoder in a Athearn RTR SW1500 and when used with my Tech 6 I an set several CVs and select the horn,plus Rule 17 lighting.It sounds good but,not quite on the level of the Tsunami but,the MRC was a simple plug/play and that's why I chose it over the Tsunami-I can't solder worth a lick with my left hand and I'm to stubborn to ask...

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Posted by tallcapt on Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:50 AM

It kind of depends what you call competition...

The MRC and low-end Digitrax (SDH64) decoders are pretty poor preformers. If you dont buy the tsu-1000 (purple shrink-wrapped) or the KT-1000 (resistors built in) type, you can keep your cost around $80. Still alot, but when comparing sound quality between the Soundtraxx and the MRC and SDH64, for only $35, what can I say, you get what you pay for. The ESU/Loksound can be found for $83 and are excellent. The sound and motor control of the Lok is hard to beat.

In the end, imho, you get what you pay for. Yes, it is expensive, and yes these decoders are probably very profitable for the companies that make them. But its an expensive hobby that I dont see getting any cheaper. 

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Sound decoders review.
Posted by NP2626 on Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:10 AM

What sound decoders have you found to be a good value for the money?  I'm unsure why Soundtraxx' Tsunami decoders are worth roughly twice the cost of their competition.

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