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Switch wiring problem. HELP!!!

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 20, 2014 11:06 AM

hwolf

OK

Lets use the KISS method.

The trouble was a poor solder connection at the switch.

Harold

 

LOL

Don't you love it?

Rich

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Posted by maxman on Monday, October 20, 2014 12:24 PM

richhotrain
 
hwolf

OK

Lets use the KISS method.

The trouble was a poor solder connection at the switch.

Harold

 

 

 

LOL

 

Don't you love it?

Rich

 

Still doesn't explain the zero voltage on points 3 and 4, unless that's the switch he means.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 20, 2014 12:36 PM

maxman, I agree with you.  It does not explain the zero voltage nor does it adress LION and Randy's contention that the LED is simply wired in reverse.  Just one more mystery thread on the Electronics and DCC forum.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 20, 2014 1:58 PM

 Sure it does - the bas solder joint was not on pins 3 or 4, it was on one of the cross wires. So, flip switch one way - the way that connects the input to the center, you get a reading. Flip it the other way, where it has to pass through the X wires, except the one of the X wires is not correctly attached, loose, whatever - now there will be no voltage at 3 and 4.

 I go for the reversed LED because that's USUALLY the easier thing to mess up than a basic solder joint Big Smile Heck, usually if you crimp the wires on the switch lugs tight enough, it 'works' before even soldering it.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 20, 2014 2:05 PM

So, once the poor soldering job was corrected, did it work as diagrammed?

Was Randy's solution to reverse the two LEDs incorrect?

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 20, 2014 2:41 PM

 If he was getting no power because of a bad connection, then neither of the LEDs probably needed to be reversed.

 Like I said at the beginning - the DIAGRAM is absolutely correct, it has the correct LED polarities. But actually hooking it up - it's easy to get one backwards, especially if the leads have been trimmed.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 20, 2014 2:42 PM

rrinker

 Sure it does - the bas solder joint was not on pins 3 or 4, it was on one of the cross wires. 

 

Maybe, but says you, not Harold.  He simply said that "the trouble was a poor solder connection at the switch". 

I put the voltmeter probes on #3 and #4 terminals of one my perfectly well soldered DPDT switches and failed to get a reading.  Then I flipped the switch and got the expected voltage reading.  Flipped the switch again, no reading. Reversed the probes and got the expected voltage reading.

So, at this point, Harold has not explained the zero reading on his switch.

And, we are left to believe that correcting the poor solder joint solved the problem without having to do anything with the LED conection.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 20, 2014 2:46 PM

rrinker

 If he was getting no power because of a bad connection, then neither of the LEDs probably needed to be reversed.

 Like I said at the beginning - the DIAGRAM is absolutely correct, it has the correct LED polarities. But actually hooking it up - it's easy to get one backwards, especially if the leads have been trimmed.

                   --Randy

 

Harold says "wired as of the drawing".

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Posted by hwolf on Monday, October 20, 2014 7:18 PM

I was going to put a jumper across to check the switch.  When I pressed on the lead a noticed the LED came on. I pressed on the wire and it moved.  I resoldered the connection and both LEDs work as well as the turnout throw. All of the circuit diagram was correct. There are ten other turnouts wire exactly the same way.  As I said in an earier tread before I install the LEDs throught the panel I strip A piece of black and red insulation from a wire and cover the LED leads.  That way I know to install the Red lead to the Black lead.  It avoid trying to figure which is the Long  or Short.

Harold

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