maxmanDoes this mean that the lugs flopped down on some sort of pivot when not in use?
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The model shows the lifting lugs standing proud of the shell surface. It also appears from the prototype photos that the hatches are not wide enough to easily reach in and bolt lugs from the outside.
Does this mean that the lugs flopped down on some sort of pivot when not in use?
PM RailfanI wonder how many were thinking thats where the blinker fluid goes in
Ed) you sure can pick some doozys! LOL I woulda never guessed they were anything to do with lifting. Because up til this post, I always thought the front mounted lift rings (on the pilot) were the only way to lift an F/E unit. Learn something everyday. All's left now is to forget what i just learnt.
(this would suppose that any unit that had an access hatch on one side, MUST have one on the other. A good way to prove thats exactly what it is.)
I wonder how many were thinking thats where the blinker fluid goes in .
Whats next??
Douglas
Access to the sander valves to clean out the sanders when needed...?
I know that model, but it has been a few years since I was there last.
B&O museum here in Baltimore, guess I have been there at least 20 or so times in my 65 years.
And the answer was found and posted before I got a chance, but I did find that in some E8 info I have.
Sheldon
While not the “real thing” this fine model shows the lifting lugs fitted.
Amends accepted!
My heavens, what a beautiful model! Thank you for finding that, Bear
Regards, Ed
gmpullmanNow to find a photo of the lifting lugs in use.
PM RailfanHowever, the key to this was not posted.
By golly we put our collective brains together on this one!
EMD_E9-legend by Edmund, on Flickr
#27 Lifting Lugs!
Scouring over some additional photos I found some engines had jacking pads, others had combination jacking pad/lifting lug and some, such as Santa Fe and PRR famously had the nose-lifting eyes.
Nose_lift by Edmund, on Flickr
Thanks for the sleuthing, Douglas! Now to find a photo of the lifting lugs in use.
Cheers, Ed
I probably didnt say that right, but thats what i was thinking. Cant locate my EMD Diesel book. I should know this stuff by heart. But good working brain cells these days are like E8s themselves..... very rare!
What I did find last night was these access doors on E8's-and E9's. I found this.....
However, the key to this was not posted. The only other thing I know of in this area was the 'air brake rack'. I have seen this hatch on both side of nose, Im kinda leaning on that servo thing though.
Just out of sheer imagination, it wouldnt be hostler access from the ground?
Ya' got me scratchin' my noggin on that one, Douglas. I used to work on some hydraulic systems and we had pilot-operated servo valves. Are you thinking something along those lines?
Now back in the E7 days there were pilot-operated retractable couplers but they were only on a few engines and they proved to be a nuisance.
EMD_E7_draft gear retract by Edmund, on Flickr
They did have a type of air-assisted hydraulic system as I recall.
Thanks Ed
I was thinking access to pilot servo controls, or access to the pilot control servo fluid resevoirs maybe?
Looking over the recent Rapido E8 has drawn my curiosity to a rectangular panel just ahead of the sand filler hatch and I wondered what could be behind there. I know the nose is filled primarily with air brake equipment so I'm trying to reason what would benefit from outside access rather than going into the nose from the cab or nose door.
Chicago & North Western - California Avenue Coach Yard by d.w.davidson, on Flickr
It is found on both sides of the nose:
Not all E8s have the panel.
C&O E8 #4021, wb George Washington, Vincennes, Ind Feb 68PS by Rick Wright, on Flickr