I know full well that they used to do stupid stuff with nuclear equipment, as my Grandfather was part of one of the underwater atomic bomb tests, dubbed "Operation Wigwam".
What they did in that test was extremely dumb.
I will spare the remaining details.
Good thing the atomic loco never "got off the ground", as they say. (Pun very much intended.)
Just what we would need today, a "dirty" locomotive, that really would be scary!
I will admit, it makes a interesting looking model though!
Ricky W.
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NWP SWP rrinker Bayfield Transfer Railway Yeah, the Fifties had some pretty gonzo stuff.My PERSONAL favorite was a weapons system.. the Davy Crockett. A suitcase-sized atomic weapon on a recoilless rifle.Yes, the US Army was going to put nuclear weapons under the command of a second lieutenant with a map! Best part of that one was that the blast radius of the detonation was greater than the effective range of the weapon. --Randy I forgot to mention that yes the blast range was greater than the weapons launch range! Again in the words of Sgt. Schultz, we knew nothing, nothing! When it came to radiation in the early atomic age...
rrinker Bayfield Transfer Railway Yeah, the Fifties had some pretty gonzo stuff.My PERSONAL favorite was a weapons system.. the Davy Crockett. A suitcase-sized atomic weapon on a recoilless rifle.Yes, the US Army was going to put nuclear weapons under the command of a second lieutenant with a map! Best part of that one was that the blast radius of the detonation was greater than the effective range of the weapon. --Randy
Bayfield Transfer Railway Yeah, the Fifties had some pretty gonzo stuff.My PERSONAL favorite was a weapons system.. the Davy Crockett. A suitcase-sized atomic weapon on a recoilless rifle.Yes, the US Army was going to put nuclear weapons under the command of a second lieutenant with a map!
Yeah, the Fifties had some pretty gonzo stuff.My PERSONAL favorite was a weapons system.. the Davy Crockett. A suitcase-sized atomic weapon on a recoilless rifle.Yes, the US Army was going to put nuclear weapons under the command of a second lieutenant with a map!
Best part of that one was that the blast radius of the detonation was greater than the effective range of the weapon.
--Randy
I forgot to mention that yes the blast range was greater than the weapons launch range! Again in the words of Sgt. Schultz, we knew nothing, nothing! When it came to radiation in the early atomic age...
Actually, no it wasn't quite that handicapped. The Davy Crockett was very short ranged, on the order of 1 to 2 miles, but the yield was small (depends on your reference, I could check my library later if you need those numbers). The problem was which way the wind was blowing. This was a very dirty weapon (low yield devices are very inefficient this way without getting too technical) and if used would almost inevitably have a detonation in close contact with the surface. Anytime a nuclear fireball touches the ground it maximizes the resulting fallout.
If you want to know more about fallout, consult my dissertation (free PDF): http://hdl.handle.net/2142/90554
But fallout wasn't the problem with the atomic loco, it was accidents. And accidents do happen on the railroad. There wouldn't be a critical mass explosion like in a bmb, but the very dirty contents of the reactor would likely close the line for years. Think major reroute of the UP's transcon, for instance.
The Rio Grande was one of the potential test sites of the proposal, which thankfully never made it off the drawing board. The nuke-powered bomber did make it to a test article stage, but no further due to the problem of the weight of the shielding (which would've been only slightly less of a problem for the RR). The Air Force wanted to raise exposure limits for the aircrews involved, but that was a bit too rich for even the Cold War. The scientists told them this might be a problem right from the start, but sometimes that doesn't sink in right away. It ended up costing Robert Oppenheimer his job.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
The instant I saw the heading on this string, I thought of a photo in Model Railroader from back in the '50s of an "Atomic Locomotive" on the rails of an O scale club. I'm pretty sure the late, great, layout designer, John Armstrong, had something to do with it, but I'm not up to the job of trolling through my bound volumes. Maybe somebody else remembers it and can upload a photo.
Deano
Might want to take a cue from these guys before going near it!
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
Looks like the first rule of model railroading applies elsewhere in life!
I'd put a note on it for whoever may find it one day...
If I had the radium removed, I wouldn't have the radium (Remember the First Rule of Model Railroading!).
Don't really need a lead lined box. The inverse cube law is quite adequate for the task. It's in my garage, about 70 feet away.
Ed
How bout that Fiesta ware I believe it was that the "atomic" red was actually radioactive having been dyed with uranium or something??? And then there's the cure all radium lined cistern, that could cure (or cause) all sorts of illnesses...
Yeah they are pretty cautious about it now, we brought some junk to the scrap yard, while we were there a guy pulled up with a junk car the guy ran out there with a Geiger counter and went over the sides with it!
You probably could get the radium removed if the watch has sentimental value or store it in a lead lined box!
rrinker So if you have an old pocket watch that glows in the dark - check it with a geiger counter.
So if you have an old pocket watch that glows in the dark - check it with a geiger counter.
Did. Pegged the meter on three scales. Exceeded max dosage. Was advised not to wear it.
It's around here, somewhere. Not closeby. But ya never know when you'll need some radium, so I kept it. Besides, I suspect it's not OK anymore to just throw it in the garbage. Wonder when it WAS OK. Maybe 1900?
Wonder what happens when I take it to hazardous waste. Does everyone get, uh, anxious?
Well luckily I don't live near the bayous, and contrary to popular belief louisiana is not a bunch of swamps...
rrinker Best part of that one was that the blast radius of the detonation was greater than the effective range of the weapon. --Randy
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Michael Mornard
Bringing the North Woods to South Dakota!
All this nuke talk makes me want to break out the Lionel HO nuclear transport car, except I sold mine. HO version of the classic 3 rail car with the atomic waste container on a flat car with a red light bulb inside.
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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rrinker Lots of things we've learned over the years. Way back when, even before the development of the atomic bomb and atomic power, no one knew just how dangerous radium could be, but it was cool, it would glow int he dark. So watch dials were painted with it. And the (usually) women who would do this fine painting would frequently lick the paintbrush to keep as fine a tip on it as possible. With (now) predictable results after long term exposure. So if you have an old pocket watch that glows in the dark - check it with a geiger counter. The other fairly common item that is used to demonstrate a geiger counter is the mantle from a Coleman lantern. --Randy
Lots of things we've learned over the years. Way back when, even before the development of the atomic bomb and atomic power, no one knew just how dangerous radium could be, but it was cool, it would glow int he dark. So watch dials were painted with it. And the (usually) women who would do this fine painting would frequently lick the paintbrush to keep as fine a tip on it as possible. With (now) predictable results after long term exposure.
So if you have an old pocket watch that glows in the dark - check it with a geiger counter. The other fairly common item that is used to demonstrate a geiger counter is the mantle from a Coleman lantern.
Today I Found Out Youtube channel has a sixteen minute video on the radium girls. Pretty sad story..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7875DVDdmnE
LogginLocosHe named it the X-12 and the only thing stopping the project was money.
And a viable heat sink, trained crews, the railroad unions and the fact that the report COMPLETELY glosses over public health and safety.
The article that was linked by Mbinsewi cited the original study, available here:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015020157130;view=1up;seq=19
A direct quote from the above:
"The study was based on the efforts of three graduate students and three staff members. The fields of training were physics and chemistry. Gross errors in engineering judgement must therefore be attributed to the lack of engineering experience of the investigators."
It is a good read to get a solid laugh. Edit: Your background would have to be in nuclear power to fully understand how utterly ridiculous this was.
Especially the part of about maintenance costs.
I actually had to stop reading. So much is wrong with this..
The main problems are stated within the report. They could only speak in generalities about reactors because it was all classified at the time. They couldnt even get a cost figure for the fuel. And none of them had engineering experience or training. They probably couldnt get an engineer on board with this (pun intended).
It makes a pretty neat model though.
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I also heard some of it leaked over to LA via the bayous...
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
And also does anyone know that the great state of m, i, crooked letter, crooked letter, i, crooked letter, crooked letter, i, humpback, humpback, i, or Mississippi was the site of not one but two atomic detonation tests? Both were underground of course...
DSchmitt SeeYou190 NWP SWP goes to show you how when you know little about something you do dumb things... . This might be my favorite quote of 2018, even though we are not even 2% into the year. . -Kevin But sometimes you come up with a better way of doing something.
SeeYou190 NWP SWP goes to show you how when you know little about something you do dumb things... . This might be my favorite quote of 2018, even though we are not even 2% into the year. . -Kevin
NWP SWP goes to show you how when you know little about something you do dumb things...
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This might be my favorite quote of 2018, even though we are not even 2% into the year.
-Kevin
But sometimes you come up with a better way of doing something.
Like not nuking your own people and not building atomic powered everything...
NWP SWP How in the world did that guy get a hold of depleted uranium???
How in the world did that guy get a hold of depleted uranium???
You can legally own small amounts. Used to be fairly common as trim weight in airliners and sailboats.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
NWP SWPgoes to show you how when you know little about something you do dumb things...
Living the dream.
rrinker See I knew someone would nitpick when I didn't mention the Savannah. I didn't say there were none, if you read the whole sentence.
See I knew someone would nitpick when I didn't mention the Savannah. I didn't say there were none, if you read the whole sentence.
I guess if you are really going to nitpick, you need to mention the one Japanese, one German, and one Soviet merchant ships that were nuclear powered, and all the Soviet icebreakers (but if you think those were civilian ships, LOL )
It remains that no one is allowed to just build a nucelar merchant ship, after the one-off Savannah. WHich wasn;t exactly successful anyway as she was built as a cross between a cargo ship and a luxury superyacht and didn't carry much cargo, and was completely incompatible with more modern automated piers.
rrinker 7j43k rrinker ...nuclear propulsion at sea was limited to the Navy... As a former owner of a model of this ship, I will have to disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_Savannah Ed Exactly. The ONLY one, no more ever made, nuclear propulsion was limited to Navy vessels only. --Randy
7j43k rrinker ...nuclear propulsion at sea was limited to the Navy... As a former owner of a model of this ship, I will have to disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_Savannah Ed
rrinker ...nuclear propulsion at sea was limited to the Navy...
...nuclear propulsion at sea was limited to the Navy...
As a former owner of a model of this ship, I will have to disagree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_Savannah
Exactly. The ONLY one, no more ever made, nuclear propulsion was limited to Navy vessels only.
Exactly? One is NOT equal to none. It is DRAMATICALLY not equal.
The article also states there was more than one, so "ONLY" doesn't apply, either.
Yes that is it: the Cotton Brute is exactly the locomotive I was remembering. It was pictured and described in MR but I do not think it was an actual full article, maybe just a photo in Trackside Photos.
Dave Nelson
Also has anyone seen my Illudium Q-36 Space Modulator???
Even if the radioactive material in the machine was only nine grams, you still have heavy water/steam and then corium in the event of melt down...
The Davy Crockett system was part of the gung-ho nuke policy of the early atomic age, having recruits stand unshielded tp observe tests, having a bunch of scientists stand at ground zero of an airblast test to prove how "safe" it was, not to mention the hydrogen tests in the Pacific and the ships with full crews within the blast radius... goes to show you how when you know little about something you do dumb things...
The Cotton Brute is a cool idea just sand the DU...