The old saying, use small steps...
You stated originally about the Caboose being close by...
That wouldn't cost the earth and if you can afford it, then thats the best start...
A tilt tray semi trailer could lift the caboose... a loader to dig in front of track end, to lower the tilt trailer to be more level and then tow it on.. Job isn't that hard... Over here in Australia we have purpose built trailers for carting rail equipment and being a more populated country in the US, there should be contractors that have them...
It may only be 8 mile to move it, but you will be charged for truck and loader to get to site from there yard...
Job should take about 4 to 6 hours, if everything goes right...
Plus you will need 40ft of track laid for the caboose, that you could do in preperation before hand...
The loco, I wouldn't bother with.. Its a platform move if in one piece and still a platform move if you remove the wheels... The amount of ballast makes it very prohibitive and bridges have to handle the weight.. It would still weigh in excess of 100 tonnes, and in such a short lenght between front and rear, thats a hell of a load bearing in such a short space for bridges...(platforms do no more than walking pace).. Even using a barge to do the most distance, its still a big job...
I have moved loads of simular weight and length... They are stressful at the best of times, so I charged accordingly... They need to be organised weeks in advanced, and one little hiccup can stop you dead in your tracks... And I can say, if my truck was stuck on the highway because you or the gov body made a mistake, I would be charging $200 per hour while I was sitting drinking, eating and sleeping in my truck stuck on the road...That would be for my truck only, not all the other people and equipment needed to do the job...(ps, just an idea of cost, delivery site of one job, they hadn't removed the concrete entrance and gates from the site when we arrived, so 4 police and 2 escort vehicle drivers and myself stood around blocking a road and talking for 4 hrs while they made the entrance clear for me to enter... That cost them over $16,000)
Things to consider, road condition and weight limit, power lines, bridges, signage, building and bridge clearances, corner clearances, underpass clearances, over head clearance of power lines, high tension power lines, etc etc, you get the idea, its a big job for even an experienced contractor, so the cost will go back to the person paying...
Try for a little step first, caboose...
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cascadenorthernrr I understand that and in that case I will work to help the preservation of them.
I understand that and in that case I will work to help the preservation of them.
Can you start using the "add quote to your post" button?
Makes everything much easier to read.
T e d
Ok how would the track have to be laid to prevent shifting?
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
cascadenorthernrr Hi I have an interesting conundrum for all of you. Ok first on a highway near my house there is a grade crossing for a unused railline (at least it was/is at the moment but it will probably be in use soon due to all the track work going on) and when I look down the line I see a caboose that appears to be either in a siding or something what would be the logistical implications of moving it about ten miles away to my house (I live on 8 acres so space isn't a problem) now this is just curiosity so its not like I'm actually going to do it. Here is a link to Google Maps Earth And now for my second question, I was googleing about NYC P2 Boxcabs when I learned of a few locos and some rolling stock that is just rotting away in Glenmont, NY at Beacon Island and I was wondering what would it take to get some or all of the equipment out of there and all the way down here to Louisiana I'm especially interested in the boxcab in the picture below.
Hi I have an interesting conundrum for all of you. Ok first on a highway near my house there is a grade crossing for a unused railline (at least it was/is at the moment but it will probably be in use soon due to all the track work going on) and when I look down the line I see a caboose that appears to be either in a siding or something what would be the logistical implications of moving it about ten miles away to my house (I live on 8 acres so space isn't a problem) now this is just curiosity so its not like I'm actually going to do it. Here is a link to Google Maps Earth
And now for my second question, I was googleing about NYC P2 Boxcabs when I learned of a few locos and some rolling stock that is just rotting away in Glenmont, NY at Beacon Island and I was wondering what would it take to get some or all of the equipment out of there and all the way down here to Louisiana I'm especially interested in the boxcab in the picture below.
If purchase price and moving costs are not an issue, you seem to have it be fairly do-able, to create a static display on your property, given you live in such a rural area. If it were me, I'd look to sell the power plant and detach the trucks for the move. I've seen entire houses moved and the logistics and cost of that would far out-weigh the logistics and cost of moving either of these.
If we had one more acre, I'm fairly sure I'd look into getting a piece of rr history, too. The Long Island RR comes within 2 miles of our home so I would think delivery would be do-able. Convincing the wife to go along with it? Maybe not so much.
cascadenorthernrrThe answer a diesel b-unit used as a generator car. (Just a thought)
Diesels generate 600 volt AC or DC, the P2 operates on 3000 volt DC. So now you will have to modify a second unit to operate the first unit. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
mbinsewiThat's interesting to know, Ed, as I thought some of the equipment was bought from Amtrak
Any equipment R.B. Circus buys they strip the cars to bare-bones ripping out all interior partitions and gutting electrical, plumbing and heating systems. They use their own "home-grown" power system.
Amtrak requires two HEP jumpers on each side of the coupler, and they have to both loop back at the last car. The system requires twelve 4/0 cables the length of each car! The plugs also have three 72 volt "control" pins along with the three 480V pins.
Amtrak HEP is 480V 3 phase, 1200 kW with a max of 400 amps. VIA Rail uses a slightly different wiring scheme and requires modifications to run in Amtrak service.
I don't know the power specs of RBBX but I do recall a person familiar with it mentioning that it is "woefully inadequate".
Sorry to hijack the thread, just thought I'd pass that along if anyone was thinking of picking up a RBBX car and planning to run it on Amtrak right away...
Have fun! Ed
I'd like to apologize to anyone who was offended, I realize that gutting #278 would be a crime, but I think instead of her being stuck in a museum she should be restored to operating condition! Now one may ask how would she be powered? The answer a diesel b-unit used as a generator car. (Just a thought)
That's interesting to know, Ed, as I thought some of the equipment was bought from Amtrak, and that they passed FRA/ Amtrak inspections. I guess I'll have to check it out!
Thanks,
Mike.
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BMMECNYCThe Ringling excess cars will be your best bet if you want an Amtrak compliant car
If I'm not mistaken the Ringling cars use a different arrangement for the HEP wiring that is not interchangeable with Amtrak.
Regards, Ed
The Ringling excess cars will be your best bet if you want an Amtrak compliant car with for a living space. They are already pretty much gutted inside, not good candidates for restoration to original configuration, and there is likely a finite amount of interest in preserving mulitple circus trains. Get two cars. You can put a train layout in the second one...
Guys, I think the old saying "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all" applies to what has become of this thread.
On many forums if an individual in a few months started dozens of posts, covering a wide range of "how come, what if, why doesn't, why is there air", topics, some would call that poster a troll. Now I would never sling that accusation at our young friend. His thread topics have generated hundreds of comments. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might think our forum hosts planted this guy to increase forum activity. Thanks young fellow for taking our minds off important things we can't control.
richhotrain Enzoamps No one has mentioned it yet, but consider the other people involved. Unless you are genuinely interested in this project, I mean serious, and already have money in the amount of a couple MILLION dollars, you are just tire kicking. And let's not forget, this is the same kid whose parents won't let him build a small layout. cascadenorthernrr Slow down there pal. I would have a layout already but my parents haven't been too accomodating to my hobby.
Enzoamps No one has mentioned it yet, but consider the other people involved. Unless you are genuinely interested in this project, I mean serious, and already have money in the amount of a couple MILLION dollars, you are just tire kicking.
No one has mentioned it yet, but consider the other people involved. Unless you are genuinely interested in this project, I mean serious, and already have money in the amount of a couple MILLION dollars, you are just tire kicking.
And let's not forget, this is the same kid whose parents won't let him build a small layout.
cascadenorthernrr Slow down there pal. I would have a layout already but my parents haven't been too accomodating to my hobby.
Slow down there pal. I would have a layout already but my parents haven't been too accomodating to my hobby.
And let's not forget the many, many members of this forum who have a serious (but light-hearted) interest in promoting the art and science of model railroading in an effort to help others enjoy the World's Greatest Hobby. Upteen dozens of members have spent hundreds of hours and millions upon millions of megabytes of broadband selflessly explaining details and nuances (not to mention some very basic facts) they'd painstakingly learned over many years at the workbench to noobs who've yet to dip their brush in a single paint pot before running off and getting distracted by the next shiny object . . . Oh look, a squirrel!
Robert
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No one has mentioned it yet, but consider the other people involved. Unless you are genuinely interested in this project, I mean serious, and already have money in the amount of a couple MILLION dollars, you are just tire kicking. SO think about researching all this. If you contact a bunch of road commissions, highway patrol units, heavy moving companies, railway car facilities repair companies, and on and on, asking them all to report to you what amounts to a bid for work, you are wasting their time, taking them from their jobs. For that matter, do we even know if zoning in your area even allows such a thing? I could walk into the Lamborghini dealer and ask a lot of things about a half-million dollar car, but I'd never be actually buying it, I'd be taking the salesman's time away from real customers. As much as I dream of a Lambo in my driveway, I have too much respect for his job to do that to a salesman. Causing a bunch of clerical people all over the country to spend time looking up specifications and rules, is basically the same.
Of course that is just my opinion.
cascadenorthernrr No one would object to me buying a caboose and making it a cabin, would they?
No one would object to me buying a caboose and making it a cabin, would they?
Browse here and find something that would suit your needs. These folks will assist you in setting up transportation, too.
http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/catalog.asp?catid=427&n=Cabooses
Good Luck, Ed
It depends on the caboose. If you took the last known Big Four caboose (and there's only one left) and altered it to your own liking, I know quite a few NYC fans who would be pretty ticked off at you...
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
maxman dehusman I think he's just jerking our collective chain. "Light Dawns on Marble Head" https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7c7597cb-d392-49d8-9256-8d7494eef62c
dehusman I think he's just jerking our collective chain.
"Light Dawns on Marble Head"
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7c7597cb-d392-49d8-9256-8d7494eef62c
dehusmanI think he's just jerking our collective chain.
Just to clarify I was only interested in the T not the S. By the way, welcome back Tom.
Amtrak compliance requires, among many many other things, an enclosed vestibule. There are Amtrak compliant PASSENGER CARS with open end platforms, but safety rules prohibit use of the open platform while the train is in motion, or passage from one car to another via the open platform. Cabooses do not have enclosed vestibules, HEP capability, and probably not the structural strength or stability for high speed passenger operation according to Amtrak requirements.
As suggested, several Amtrak compliant ex-Burlington passenger cars are currently for sale. I think the location is Texas, which is much closer to you. Quite a few cars were recently retired from Circus service in Florida, and will be available for sale soon. Again, much closer to you.
Leave these electrics for somebody with better resources and better long term prospects for success.
Tom
Ok maybe not a Amtrak compliant one but a replica.
cascadenorthernrr How would I go about constructing a sheet metal clone? (And make it Amtrak compliant)
How would I go about constructing a sheet metal clone? (And make it Amtrak compliant)
How would I go about constructing a sheet metal clone?
BigDaddyNo one is going to a a museum of one engine. You can't drive it down your own personal tracks. When old age and ill health set in, it rusts into the condition it is now to become an albatross for your children.
Lomita Railroad Museum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomita_Railroad_Museum
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I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
Thank you, that is all that anyone can ask of you.