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Track Plan - A Beginning

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Track Plan - A Beginning
Posted by Loco on Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:41 PM
Here is a bit more detailed to track plan to hopefully get some feed back and thoughts.  Getting more and more familiar with the cad program.  Spent a "few hours" over the weekend play'en around.

So these are the stats.  31" - 34" radius on the main curves.... the wye is just a bit over 31" which also has easements.  This leads me to a question, on the cad program, it lets you do an automated easement, however, with my larger main curves, do I need easements that are smaller than the main curve???  Sort of confused by this.

I've really come to realize how BIG 34" and even 36" curves are - man, they can take up some real estate!  But I need them as I'll be running Big Steam and Turbines.

I plugged in all #six turnouts, as is the cross-over.  The whole yard complex is just a shot in the dark, I need to study my layout books and have them on hand to firm up the design.





 

  
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Posted by tangerine-jack on Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:31 PM

For maximum realism, and granted that you are running "big steam" I would say easements are mandatory.  Simply put, an easement is a section of curve larger than the curve itself for the purpose of "easing" the train into the curve.  Think of an exit ramp on an interstate, it spirals in to the smallest radius of the curve, then spirals back out to a straight road.  For model railroading purposes this easement radius is not critical, I would think the CAD default value would be good enough.

For the rest of your track plan, I'm not sure what is going on with it.  Are you just bulding a round and round for displaying your train collection in a realistic environment, or do you intend to have a slice of operational realism?  What is your intent?

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Posted by loathar on Monday, October 20, 2008 12:11 PM

I would recommend replacing as many of those #6 turnouts with #8's. Especially in your cross overs. I've got a couple #6 cross overs and my Mikado and Dash 8 don't look right going over them.

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Posted by Loco on Monday, October 20, 2008 1:41 PM

I want round and round AND operational of course!  With that in mind, the more operations I've been doing the more I like it at the local club.  So that's where I'm heading, but still want to be able to let my daughter have fun too - not to mention just doing a bit of watching while they cruse.  Somewhere I also read that having the capability to have at least one loop is that when your more or less by yourself you can let a "through" train run while you switch or run another train all while keeping out of it's way.

I had a feeling #8's were going to be needed - at least on the mains.  And I'm getting a big lesson how much space Big Steam takes!

Ok, back to the drawing board... after I get to that "honey do" list that I "lost" over the weekend Big Smile

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Monday, October 20, 2008 3:49 PM

What I would try to do for turnouts is use #8's for the mainline, #6's for branch line or other tracks where the large loco's won't be running, and try #4's for the yard, but only if you are going to be using small loco's and four axle diesels for yard switching. Otherwise, stay with #6's for the yard. If you are going to have a roundhouse and turntable, the access tracks to it for the large loco's may need to be #8's also, but you may want to try #6's there first.

One thing that is missing from your plan is the bench work outline. That will help a lot when asking for track plan help. Isle ways for walking are critical, just like the tracks are. You can't have one without the other.

Elmer.

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Posted by pcarrell on Monday, October 20, 2008 10:38 PM

Have you thought about a multideck design?  Large curves and big numbered turnouts eat up a lot of room, but a multideck design might give you a bit more running room.  Just a thought......

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:19 PM

 I do not understand the space you are dealing with nor the operational goal of the layout. 

1. What is the purpose for the peninsula in the upper right?  Is there some reason the layout cannot extend into that corner?

2.  This shows stairs down  on both sides in the bottom center.  What is the deal there?

3. Are the three tracks just above one of the "stairs down" labels supposed to be a passenger terminal? 

4. How many trains did you wish to run at one time?  This looks like maybe 2 (one long and one short).

 

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:48 PM

TZ, if you look in this thread http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/t/136435.aspx?PageIndex=1 you will see the limitations of his room and what some of those seemingly extraneous measurements on that plan are.

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Posted by Jake1210 on Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:15 AM
Going from a sheerly railfanning aspect, you plan is much too "square." While the prototype strived for straight-aways, they don't make for interesting models. One thing to remember is that the prototype did not have walls to follow. Throw some waves into your track to make it more interesting. Also, another thing that helps, is to think about what scenic and operational features you want on your layout. Then when you are planning, think about what can go where to get the best scenic and operational results.  Such as, if industry "C" goes in one spot, scenic features "A" and "E" would best fit before/after it. Or, scenic feature "D" could be put before/after yard "B" and not look too bad.
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Posted by Loco on Monday, October 27, 2008 6:03 PM

 Thanks for all the comments - I'm going through a huge learning curve with this whole design thing  Banged Head It can be very frustrating working with this cad program, but also rewarding as I'm getting better each time I try something.  I just found the buildings selection in the program two days ago, didn't even know it was there!  So I added a few to see how that all works.  And to get a better perspective on adding operational elements.

As advised above, I've added some bench work, swapped in #8 turnouts on the main and kept #6's every where else.  As this progresses I'll keep in mind to make it less "square".  Was using the snap to grid option so I could better line up the track.  But you where spot on about the "squareness".  The South Yard area needs a good deal of work, and I'm sure many, many things will be modified.

So here is the latest version for your amusementBig Smile  Oh, each square is 12"


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Posted by Loco on Tuesday, November 4, 2008 10:09 AM

Did some more messing and thinking that the peninsula is taking up to much room.

Here is a double main line around the walls with a helix in the northwest corner.

Again, on the main, using 32 min curves, #8 t.o. and X-overs.  12" squares.


 

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