Lionel G-Scale Wood Single Stall Engine House 8-82105

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Lionel G-Scale Wood Single Stall Engine House 8-82105
Posted by Oakhurst Railroad Engineer on Friday, May 12, 2017 7:33 PM

Who has a Lionel G-Scale Wood Single Stall Engine House 8-82105?  Any chance I can park a Bachmann Shay in there? How big is the door opening? Will it fit through the door?

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Posted by Oakhurst Railroad Engineer on Sunday, May 14, 2017 10:45 PM

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n183/mkbradley_photos/_57_zpswlcsmelq.jpg

Here is a picture of the engine house I am talking about.

 

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Posted by ttrigg on Monday, May 15, 2017 11:28 AM

I do not have this item, nor have I seen one. I have attempted to locate scale drawings with no luck what-so-ever. Based upon Linoel garden scale trains generally have a size ratio of 1:32, and Bachmann runs aroud 1:20.9, I'm going to speculate the answer to your question is no, it will not fit without some serious modifications.

If anyone else has info contrary to my speculation, please post.

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Monday, May 15, 2017 1:17 PM

I agree with Tom. So in the picture, you see a locomotive, that is the Lionel Atlantic, not a huge locomotive, your 1:20.3 will be significantly taller. Looking at the picture there MIGHT be enough vertical clearance for a loco to fit,

BUT

The most common clearance problems running 1:20.3 on 1:29 or in this case 1:32 "environments" is the width... looking at the relative width of the door opening, I'm pretty sure you would have issues... besides the fact it would just look out of scale.

 

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Posted by ttrigg on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:34 PM

Considering all the negativity I've started I must say that I like the looks of this shed. I think it would do well as a work shed for a H-L-W (Heartland Locomotive works) Goose or Birney (trolly), maybe even a rail truck. From looking at the photo I can see that the doors are slightly wider than the rail ties. Since H-L-W equipment is narrower than the ties it should work well. The Birney and Goose might be a bit tall but a well constructed 'tall concrete foundation' would fix that problem. The Birney and Goose have fairly wide flat tops that might impact the upper door curvature. After researching your question I'm thinking about getting one for my rail trucks. If I do get one it will need some serious ageing.

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Posted by Oakhurst Railroad Engineer on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:47 PM

It seems clear that this is not the right engine house for me and my 1:20 3T Shay. 

So, how about your suggestions for a kit for similar single stall engine house?  Wood (real or plastic simulated wood) construction with non-modern U.S. style.

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Posted by ttrigg on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:47 PM

Ozark Models has a nice 'sectional' engine shed. Plastic with a 'cinder block' look. My B-mann 3 truck shay clearly fits with ease. When I say sectional, I mean SECTIONAL! You select the parts and pieces to build your shed to fit your needs and desires. You can build a single shed, double or tripple shed or roundhouse. For a single shed you would need a pair of 'end sections' with doors, and a slection of side wall sections with or without windows and a section with people door and window. The only thing I did not like was the building was designed as a flat roof. I took a couple of non-window sections and carefully cut it into a triangle to fit a pitched roof line. They have two roof sections, flat roof (ribbed) and shingled roof, each the length of 3 wall sections. As I went for a 5 section side wall it took some pain in the tail-feathers fidgeting to get a clean looking roof line. I also 'hung' one half of their 'Cascade Summit Dispatch Office' ($20) on the side as office space for the shed.

Look here for the shed components.

http://www.coloradomodel.com/babmain11.htm#BAB

and here for the front door to the website.

http://www.coloradomodel.com/bldgg.htm

As far as cost goes, you should be able to build a shed for just over half the price of the Lionel shed. 

Construction hint: Since all their parts are covered in mold release agent you will need to take over the kitchen sink for half an hour. Wash with warn water and liquid dish soap and rinse well with running warm water. Other wise paint and glue will NOT stick.

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Posted by Greg Elmassian on Thursday, May 18, 2017 5:49 PM

Tom, you have not generated any negativity, you (and I) have answered the question "will this work" to the best of our ability. If he bought the shed and the loco did not fit it would not be good.

I agree, height can be fixed, but accomodating more width would really require radical surgery that would not be worth the time.

 

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Posted by ttrigg on Friday, May 19, 2017 9:14 AM

Greg: When I used the word "negative" I had in mind that this is the first time I can remember saying "NO". I always try to suggest other ways to modify things to give a possible solution. 

Marty: Having nothing better to do in my hospital room I've spent nearly 40 hours searching for an answer to your question about other ideas. (Shattered lower left leg in an accident on my Segway. Segway is fine and I should go home on Monday.) Your requirements, wood, single stall, non modern US style, make for a nearly impossible search. Mostly due to the length of a B-mann 3 truck shay. There are a number of ready to use pre-builts that are designed for something on the line of an 0-4-0 to 2-6-4. Pola has a German design (the Shonenburg) which would require 2 expansion units, but this fails on multiple levels, brick, european design, 2 stalls. 

If you truly want a wood structure I would suggest stopping by a doll house shop. Look for the availabity of supplies in the '1/2 inch' section, that's 1:24 in our terms. I've acquired 'lap siding', people doors and oversized windows for some of my own designs. Unless you have wood working skills you might want to stay with retangular bay doors rather that the round tops. The only other option I could suggest would be to go to a scale train show. Every show I've been to has atleast one vendor of wooden structures. They tend to do special orders so you can specify the length you need. A few weeks later UPS or FedEx will drop a box at your house. You can select (from most of them) kit form, assembled ready to paint, or prepainted ready to use. The thing I like most about these guys is most can do milled signage for the yard name etc.

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Posted by emdmike on Sunday, May 21, 2017 11:01 AM

I agree with Tom, to get the desired "logging railroad" look with an engine shed of that length, building it with wood is the only way forward.  Construction style of that period would be similar to farm barns.  A logging railroad made do with what they could make on site in thier sawmill.  Rough cut main timbers and simple siding.  Remember to put ventelation at the top for whatever end you park the Shay's smokestack under.   If its going outdoors, remember to use water proof glue, I prefer Titebond myself, and waterproof the whole thing with something as well.    Mike

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