i have a lionel train in need of some more knowledge

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i have a lionel train in need of some more knowledge
Posted by SirKeiffysKaboose on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:12 PM

hi there, i just received this trainset from my father, covered with dust from the attick. i was wondering if someone could tell me more about it, if it came as a set, or what year, or whatever can be gathered.

so far i have an engine , on the bottom it is labeling it a lionel, on the side of it the number is 8142. the peice that connects to it is a chesapeake & ohio. (there are no #s on it). i have a flat car that has A.T.S.F. 9022 on it. next is a box car with fmc 9042. next is T.A.&G. RY. CO 9012. next is a burlington northern 9141, and caboose is c and o for progress 9064.

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Posted by sir james I on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:39 PM

It was a set made in 1971 and 72 in Mt. Clemens Mi.

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Posted by DMUinCT on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:59 AM

SirKeiffysKaboose

hi there, i just received this trainset from my father, covered with dust from the attick. i was wondering if someone could tell me more about it, if it came as a set, or what year, or whatever can be gathered.

so far i have an engine , on the bottom it is labeling it a lionel, on the side of it the number is 8142. the peice that connects to it is a chesapeake & ohio. (there are no #s on it). i have a flat car that has A.T.S.F. 9022 on it. next is a box car with fmc 9042. next is T.A.&G. RY. CO 9012. next is a burlington northern 9141, and caboose is c and o for progress 9064.

thank you

1971 Lionel Catalog, pages 3 and 4, headlined as  "The Mighty Sound Of Steam".

Set # 6-1184  "The Alleghney"  Layout: 27" X 54"

" The totally new idear of Sound of Steam!   Add this sensational touch of realism to a rugged die cast steam engine, smoke and headlight and you have the Allegheny.  Forward and reverse is transformer controled.   The train measures 63" and includes:"

"C&O Die cast locomotive with headlight, Smoke, and Sound of Steam --- C&O Tender ---  Santa Fe Flat Car with Stakes, Bulkhead, and Load --- Wheaties Box Car --- TA&G Hopper --- Burlington Northern Gondola w/ Cannisters --- C&O Caboose --- Eight Curved Tracks --- Five Straight Tracks --- Push-Button Electric Uncoupling Track --- 50 Watt Trainmaster (R) Transformer. UL Listed --- Two Figures --- Lockon, Wires and Instructions --- Foam Model Buildings "                             

 

 

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Posted by SirKeiffysKaboose on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:10 PM
i have another thing , is it an O scale , or O27 or what , i am just learning about all this, more knowledge the better. thank you
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Posted by sir james I on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:40 PM

027 but the track width is the same so your train would run on any three rail track brand.

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Posted by brianel027 on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:38 PM

Keiffy, you don't say whether you are looking to set up and run the trains (being their from your Dad, I heartily recommend this path) or find out what they're worth to sell. Let us know.

Before you do anything... even trying to set them up, do this first! Unscrew the shell off the C&O tender which attaches to the steam locomotive. You'll see a speaker inside with a circuit board. Check that foam under the circuit board. I would advise replacinging it immediately as it disintegrates over time. They just do, be the type of foam or the glue used.

If you run the loco and the board comes in contact with the sheet metal frame of the tender, you will destroy the circuit board. Even a piece of cardboard with some masking tape will work just to keep something between the circuit board and the tender frame. I know a few people who have ruined a Sound of Steam loco with a board that probably still worked before they accidentally fried it by not knowing what I'm telling you/

If you want to set up some trains and have some fun, this is the right place to ask questions. What you have there is EXACTLY the kinds of trains I run. On first glace at a current Lionel catalog, this hobby appears expensive. Trust me, it CAN be done on a budget so long as you can live with the compromises of that. And it can still be fun too. A great family hobby too.

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Posted by SirKeiffysKaboose on Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:05 AM
man i wish you could have emailed this yesterday, i just put the track together , and it ran around about 10 times cho cho in, then it quit. i hope it isnt screwed. please let me know what to do next. and yes , i am wanting to get into this hobby. i may need to get some oil before next run too, it sounds a bit loud. please email me more info. , and how to start me on the right track, to get everything running right, so i do not mess anything else up. thank you keiffy
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Posted by brianel027 on Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:18 AM

When you say it quit, do you mean the loco stopped running or the sounds stopped?

When you train stopped running, did you hear the transformer click or get warm? If so, you have an electrical short someplace either in the track or the trains.

In general for anything that has sat around for a long time unused, it is a good idea to do some maintenance. Getting some PLASTIC SAFE hobby lubricant is a good idea. If you have a hobby shop near by, you can get a pack with a variety of lubricants, which over time you will use.

Your loco has plastic gears, which do need to be lubricated. The motor may need cleaning too, which is a liitle more complicated.

Here's a web site that is very good and will help you greatly:

http://www.thortrains.net/

If you scroll down the page, not too far down you'll see a topic "SPECIAL - Basic O / O27 Manual - How to set up and run trains, accessories, etc."  This will give you a basic primer on these trains.

There's also layout ideas and loads of other info.

First off, how does your track look? Hopefully no rust. To give it a nice general cleaning, you can try spraying some WD40 on to a rag and wiping down the rails with this. Use one of those 3M type scouring pads to scrub it (not steelwool) Let that set overnight, and the next day wipe it down good to get as much of the oil off as you can. If the track is real loose when it is put together, then you can take a pair of neednose pliers and "crimp" the rails within 1/2 inch of where each piece joins.

Also, check your local library. Mine happens to have a copy of the Greenburg Lionel Service Manual... a very helpful book and although your specific loco isn't listed in the book, there are others that are very close and will give you a good idea how to take apart the loco and get it back together with minimal frustration.

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Posted by brianel027 on Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:23 AM

Hey, here's another good link for you. Isn't the internet a cool thing.... Hopefully you can open you tube with no trouble. There's some other links by the same fellow.... I think these will help you a lot. good luck and let us know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K8p3PZ0VC8

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Posted by SirKeiffysKaboose on Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:53 PM
hi there , again and thanks for the websites, they are greatly appreciated. the sound problem, is just the speaker, maybe wire is loose, or speaker blew. i will take the tender apart later and check that out , and check the circuit board u were talking about.i have this super nice guy that works with me named rob , and he introduced me to this website. he also gave me some foam board to get started on a layout. which i am going to start out with the oval, because that is all the track i have at the time. i have pics of the train and my beginning layout. but i do not know how to get them posted on here? i ordered some cedar smoke fluid on ebay for the train. i am going to clean train really good and wait on the fluid before running again. i will keep you updated, thanks keiffy
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Posted by Smokenjoe on Friday, August 16, 2019 9:13 PM
You fine sir have just saved a PC board Thank you a million times
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Posted by Smokenjoe on Friday, August 16, 2019 9:44 PM

HOLY Cats  thank you thank you thank you! I just picked up a used set read this post just as i was about to blow my PC board pulled tender cover and sure enough. The foam was toast.  card board insert and I am a chuging and smoking.  Just so you know you have made a an old guy that can't get move much and is as poor as can be very happy. I scored 3 train sets on free stuff craigs list. a compete N, HO and this baby it came with a 2nd engine 242. Again thank you

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Posted by rtraincollector on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:53 PM

Welcome to the forum, lots of great info here

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