Trains.com

If you could find it one, what is the single most expensive Lionel item?

58963 views
33 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    November 2014
  • 595 posts
If you could find it one, what is the single most expensive Lionel item?
Posted by gvdobler on Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:15 PM

Anyone know what the most expensive collectible Lionel item would be?

I don't have anything in mind, I was just curious.

  • Member since
    September 2003
  • From: new york or virginia (split domiciles)
  • 531 posts
Posted by thor on Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:40 PM
The Brute would be my guess!
  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: 15 mi east of Cleveland
  • 2,072 posts
Posted by 1688torpedo on Sunday, September 2, 2007 8:57 PM

 Hello GV!     To date,the single-most expensive Lionel Train was sold at Auction last year for $250,000.00., It was a Standard Gauge set from 1934 Mint in the box with a 400E Engine & State Passenger Cars. All in immaculate condition too. Almost looked like it came from the factory. In second place would be the Brass Protoype for the 700E Hudson that sold for over $77,000.00 & used to sit on a shelf in Joshua Cowen's New York office behind his desk & is a valuable piece of Lionel History in itself. These are two items that come to mind here. Take Care.

Keith Woodworth........Seat Belts save lives,Please drive safely.
  • Member since
    December 2004
  • 3,176 posts
Posted by csxt30 on Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:02 PM

 thor wrote:
The Brute would be my guess!

That's my guess also !!

Thanks, John

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • 305,205 posts
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 2, 2007 9:54 PM
  There has been many outragious prices paid for Lionel trains. I believe a mint 700e went for 100,000plus. If it is MIB and rare who knows. It is all about what collectors are willing to pay. If you were to find a prototype for a desireable piece or a very rare variation, I am sure it would catch a pretty penny. There have been set boxes that went for many thousands.
  • Member since
    January 2002
  • From: Western Pennsylvania
  • 687 posts
Posted by prewardude on Monday, September 3, 2007 12:46 AM

Well, the last I heard, the owner of the "Brute" (Allison Cox) was asking $500,000.00 for her. Don't know if anyone has ponied up the cash though. If anyone ever does, methinks that would be your winner right there. The Standard gauge set that Keith mentioned above is the most expensive Lionel item that I have ever heard that ACTUALLY SOLD, though.

 - Clint 

  • Member since
    August 2004
  • From: St. Paul, Minnesota
  • 2,116 posts
Posted by Boyd on Monday, September 3, 2007 2:17 AM
What is the "Brute"?

Modeling the "Fargo Area Rapid Transit" in O scale 3 rail.

  • Member since
    September 2006
  • From: south east PA
  • 695 posts
Posted by alexweiihman on Monday, September 3, 2007 9:09 AM

 

 I also would agree with the brute!

 

 Boyd wrote:
What is the "Brute"?

 

The brute was a really big model that was made for JLC when he had items being made in italy.  It was a lot bigger then standerd gauge.  This is the only info I know.

 

alex

K-Line The Difference is in the Details
  • Member since
    July 2007
  • From: Philadelphia
  • 409 posts
Posted by PhilaKnight on Monday, September 3, 2007 2:14 PM

The "Brute" kind of resembles a Bi-Polier. I think there was 2 made the massive one that is huge that just went up for sale and a identical one but smaller I thing it is O-gauge. I think CTT had a article this year on the big one and that they stripped it of paint and did some kind of preservation to the metal. But the smaller one is still in original shape painted green. Don't remember where I saw the info on the smaller one. Mite of been the same article.

Me I would like the smaller Mini-Brute cause of course if I owned it I would run it.

FOUND IT. May 2007 "The Brute stops here"

The smaller one here it states in a picture is a SUPER 381

  • Member since
    December 2001
  • From: Austin, TX
  • 10,096 posts
Posted by lionelsoni on Monday, September 3, 2007 2:28 PM

Bob Nelson

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: US
  • 16 posts
Posted by railfancwb on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 7:23 PM
I would have to agree about the Brute and the mint standard gauge set mentioned, but also worthy of consideration and possible winners would be the early motorized gondola and trolleys from the first days of Lionel as a train supplier.
  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Hopewell, NY
  • 3,233 posts
Posted by ADCX Rob on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 7:53 AM

1688torpedo
To date,the single-most expensive Lionel Train was sold at Auction last year for $250,000.00., It was a Standard Gauge set from 1934 Mint in the box with a 400E Engine & State Passenger Cars.



Yes, more details can be found HERE.

Rob

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, March 22, 2024 9:57 AM

I'd be VERY happy indeed with a mint Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" set.

Ain't gonna happen.  Can't afford one and even if I could I'd have no space to run it, except maybe around the Christmas tree once a year.

  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Hopewell, NY
  • 3,233 posts
Posted by ADCX Rob on Friday, March 22, 2024 1:04 PM

Flintlock76
I'd be VERY happy indeed...



Do you think this is the most viewed topic on this forum? MSN News linked to it a few days ago.

Rob

  • Member since
    February 2002
  • From: Mpls/St.Paul
  • 13,892 posts
Posted by wjstix on Friday, March 22, 2024 1:13 PM

Here's some more on "The Brute" and MTH's standard gauge adaptation:

https://mthtrains.com/news/405

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-4nU1p2DT0

 

Stix
  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,631 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Friday, March 22, 2024 6:46 PM

ADCX Rob

 

 
Flintlock76
I'd be VERY happy indeed...

 



Do you think this is the most viewed topic on this forum? MSN News linked to it a few days ago.

 

 

¿????¿????Tongue Tied

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,631 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Friday, March 22, 2024 6:58 PM

Flintlock76

I'd be VERY happy indeed with a mint Standard Gauge "Blue Comet" set.

Ain't gonna happen.  Can't afford one and even if I could I'd have no space to run it, except maybe around the Christmas tree once a year.

 

I'd be happy with a traditional remake but unless you want to watch it chase it's tail in a circle you need at least 4 by 5 to run a 400e and 3 blue comet cars.  I do 5 by 7 and doubt that anything bigger than a 385/1835 will grace my rails.  And it's a long shot that I'll have the money any time soon to chase that dream Wink.  My little number 8 and matching 35 and 36 passenger cars and the handful of 500 series freights look great on a layout this size so I'm happy.  Big Smile

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Hopewell, NY
  • 3,233 posts
Posted by ADCX Rob on Friday, March 22, 2024 11:01 PM

Rob

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 23, 2024 1:12 PM

Well I began to look at that MSN article with a jaundiced eye as soon as I spotted the all-too-common misuse of the word "infamous" right at the outset.  

Let's get the definition straight, "infamous" refers to someone or something famous for all the wrong reasons.  A great example:

Hitler is infamous.  On the other hand Churchill is famous.  That's how it works. 

There's nothing infamous about Lionel.

(Another thing that drives me crazy is the use of the word "decimate" in place of "devastate," but that's another story.)

Anyway, the MSN article's a good example of "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."  But then I never expect much from MSN in the way of top-quality journalism anyway. Ick!

  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Hopewell, NY
  • 3,233 posts
Posted by ADCX Rob on Saturday, March 23, 2024 1:30 PM

Flintlock76
Anyway, the MSN article's a good example of "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." But then I never expect much from MSN in the way of top-quality journalism anyway.



This was written by AI, no innate knowledge.

Rob

  • Member since
    January 2002
  • From: Canterlot
  • 9,575 posts
Posted by zugmann on Saturday, March 23, 2024 1:44 PM

Flintlock76
Let's get the definition straight, "infamous" refers to someone or something famous for all the wrong reasons.  A great example:

To be fair, it said model train sets have an infamous reputation in pop culture.  I don't think that's completely untrue.  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any

  • Member since
    December 2005
  • From: Hopewell, NY
  • 3,233 posts
Posted by ADCX Rob on Saturday, March 23, 2024 2:26 PM

zugmann
To be fair, it said model train sets have an infamous reputation in pop culture. I don't think that's completely untrue.



Yes, it's used properly here.

Rob

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 23, 2024 6:08 PM

ADCX Rob

 

 
zugmann
To be fair, it said model train sets have an infamous reputation in pop culture. I don't think that's completely untrue.

 



Yes, it's used properly here.

 

 

Sorry gents, but I have to respectfully disagree with both of you.  The author's use of infamous in this case is poor English.  

One last example:

"Yesterday, December Seventh, 1941, a date which will live in infamy..."

  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,631 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Saturday, March 23, 2024 7:33 PM

Unless the article is referring to a never before discovered standard gauge M10000 set, there's no such thing as a "1934 Lionel Standard Gauge Diesel Set". Wink. So add as many grains of salt to your opinion of the article as you see fit .  WinkWink

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    January 2002
  • From: Canterlot
  • 9,575 posts
Posted by zugmann on Saturday, March 23, 2024 7:41 PM

Flintlock76
Sorry gents, but I have to respectfully disagree with both of you.  The author's use of infamous in this case is poor English.  

I don't think so.  Pop culture has always shown model RRing in not the best light, or its participants as social outcasts.  That's why its reputation (in pop culture) can be seen as infamous rather than famous.  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 24, 2024 11:06 AM

zugmann
I don't think so.  Pop culture has always shown model RRing in not the best light, or its participants as social outcasts.  That's why its reputation (in pop culture) can be seen as infamous rather than famous.  

OK Zug, in that respect I can agree with you, model railroading does have in pop culture the aspect of a society of social misfits "living in their mothers basements" which unfortunately many seem hell-bent on living up to!  Not many, but some. 

Thankfully O, S, and G Gaugers don't fall into that category!  Wink

And the "mom's basement" thing seems to be slowly passing over to the computer geeks!  Laugh 

  • Member since
    January 2002
  • From: Canterlot
  • 9,575 posts
Posted by zugmann on Sunday, March 24, 2024 12:44 PM

Prob more computer geeks with impressive O scale layouts than anyone else. 

 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, March 24, 2024 1:59 PM

zugmann

Prob more computer geeks with impressive O scale layouts than anyone else. 

 

 

Yeah, especially if they're involved in IT equipment sales!  Those guys make some GOOD money!  

  • Member since
    July 2020
  • 1,631 posts
Posted by pennytrains on Sunday, March 24, 2024 8:13 PM

It's funny how quickly society changes it's views on technology isn't it?  Between Trevithick, Stevens and all the others that created the practical steam locomotive and 1869 when America "reached the moon" with the driving of the spikes at Promontory, railroads were THE peak of high technology and growth and enginemen were heroes.

By the dawn of the 20th century, automobiles, airplanes, zeppelins and other high tech devices would come along and grow and improve at about the same rate as railroads had in the first half of the 19th century.  But probably most important was the advent of home electrification.  That advancement made electric model railroading possible and of course electric trains became the high tech toy dujour.

So when did it happen?  When did model railroading become a "geek" thing practiced mostly by social outcasts?  I think evidence points to the late 1950's.   Cars were cool, music was cool, football was cool.  Space exploration was the highest of high technology and if you weren't interested in cars, music, sports and girls you were an outcast.

Smart, creative people are often outcasts and model railroading is a perfect outlet for these talents.  The high end Legacy trains in the Lionel catalog are smarter than the computers they used to land on the moon 54 years ago but that fact hasn't brought model railroading back to the universe of "cool" in most minds.

They want tok tok, games and drones.

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    January 2019
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 9,728 posts
Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, March 25, 2024 11:15 AM

A very cogent and insightful analysis Becky!  

(I might have added slot cars pushing model railroading out of the collective conciousness but they've kind of had their day and lost it too.)

The funny thing is though, when I'm at a train club open house, holiday display, or train show I see a lot of young families in attendance with the kids all wide-eyed and Mom and Dad grinning wide enough to eat bananas sideways!  Which might bode well for the future. 

Join our Community!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

Search the Community

FREE EMAIL NEWSLETTER

Get the Classic Toy Trains newsletter delivered to your inbox twice a month