Need Copies of PW Lionel 456 Coal Ramp and 497 Coaling Station Instructions

[ezmike]

If anyone has copies and is willing to share please let me know. Thanks

Mike

[rtraincollector]

Call Jeff Kane at train tender 585-229-2050 or email him [e-mail] and ask if he still has Greenburgs repair and operating manual for lionel trains 1945 - 1969 it will cost you about $25.00 to $30.00 including insurance but its the best book to get you hands on

[ezmike]

RT,

Thanks

Mike

[PhilaKnight]

RT is right that book is tops. That book saved me alot of money and time with repairs. It's always at shows too.  

[ezmike]

Guys,

 I'm sorry if my post was confusing. I have Greenberg and it does show the parts parts list and repair/maintenance tips for these two. What I'm looking for is more towards the set up and operation. I know they are pretty simple and straight forward but as you can see from my earlier post about the issues I'm having with my 456 Ramp I wanted to see if I was missing some small point in the set up and operation that could be the root of the problem.

As for the 497 Station, the controller is acting in reverse for the "dump" and "load" action and before I take it apart and look to re-connect the wires I wanted to see if it was set up properly.

Thanks for your replies.

 Mike

[dwiemer]

Mike,
I have the 497. If you let the bin go all the way to bottom, and then continue to hold the lever, it will start to go back up. This would in turn reverse the loading, etc. If this is the issue, it is just a matter of reversing till the bin is at bottom. If it is the type problem, that is the fix. If, on the other hand, the dumping from the top is reversed, I believe it is just a question of switching the wires on the top solenoid. I am not sure where my instructions are, but I will try to locate them. At this point, all my stuff is in boxes, so it may be some time.
Good Luck.
Dennis

[ezmike]

Dennis,

It is the "dump" and "load" operation that I think is reversed. When I move the lever to the "dump" position the shute underneath the station opens to let the coal out that has been brought to the top by the bin. When I move the lever to the "load" position the coal car bin pops up. So I think when the accessory was re-wired, the wires controlling these two functions were switched. All I am trying to avoid is having to undo and redo the wires at the top by making sure it is set up correctly. But honestly, it doesn't look like there is anyway to set it up wrong. 

One of the guys on another form is supposed to send me copies of his instructions. If I get them before you get your I'll post. Thanks for the response.

Mike

[dwiemer]

Mike, the other thing you could do is just reverse your thinking... Dump being when the car is filled, as in the coal loader is "Dumping" and then the load to the coal bin being "loaded".  As it is, I know mine will need to be rewired as it has cracks in the 4 lead.  Let me know how you make out.

dennis

[ezmike]

dennis,

 I'm actually thinking about just "thinking" of it that way and save myself so hassel. Are you saying yours is wired the same way? Or do you have to rewire it because the controller it is cracked?

Mike

[dwiemer]

Mike, I have to rewire mine as the wires are cracked.  Was stored for better part of 20years.  I will have to get some wire from Charlie's.

dennis

[jjm]

Is anyone able to supply a copy of the 456 operating instructions?  I have the Greenberg book with the parts diagram, but I am looking for the operating instructions too.  Thanks.

[gunrunnerjohn]

I know this is an old post, but I needed the same thing and I went right to the horses' mouth, Lionel.  They have a copy to download.

 

http://www.lionel.com/Products/Finder/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductNumber=6-14005&expandBranch=0&Keywords=456r&CategoryID=0&RailLineID=&CatalogId=