Morning Ruth , I think since good ole Eric is buying I'll have the usual a number three and the speacial extra octaned BK coffee in a thermos Bit o activity this morning at the bah which is always good. Yes Boris you may do your feeding rounds of the critters and as always that small jar of PPF is for you.
Eric-Nice shots of those two saftey cars, though I do prerfer the older looks wise the Birney has it hands downs but as to ride quality and comfort the PCC wins hands down .Thanks for posting them, puts a capper on my encores
CM3-Good to see you this morning as well,cool and crisp here as wells,gas prices well we won't go there been hovering aroun $1.06 a litre
Tom-Neat New Haven line drawing where did you amnage to scare those two up it and the GG1,aer you the "arteest" looks like none of our NHL teams will make the final cut a P-pour year again this one
Well gents work calls see everyone this evening
Rob
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We got about an inch of "scattered clouds" last night. Gas isat $3.29/gal.
Allan was by with comments.
Eric visited with information and some traction photos - I enjoyed the shot of the car at Trondheim.
Rob has been visiting with all sorts of historical information as well.
Mike - Thanks for sending the links - I remember Bond bread real well. They had a bakery not too far from my grandmother's place in Providence - I still remember the smell of baking bread. Power house material was an excellent addition to the archives and I really enjoyed the Pullman yard shot - tremendous amount of detail there.
OSP sent some NYC advertising material; the Great Steel Fleet was still pretty much intact at the time that ad appeared. Penn Station - egad! A Difference between night and day. I'm on my way to the Theatuh to see the latest features. Also appreciated the cut of the NH electric.
Work safe
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A smile to begin the week!
When asked if he wanted his pizza sliced into 4 or 8 pieces. He said, "Four, I don't think I can eat eight."
<A Yogi-ism!>
G'day Gents!
Another Monday has rolled ‘round - can you believe it Okay - fill up the mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed special blend coffee. Check out The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n take a look at our Menu Board selections for <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts!
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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Sunday - Feb 24th: <all times Central standard>
Page 188- Rob (trolleyboy) at 7:33 PM: The Manager's duties never cease - "in" for a spin to check out things before opening up on Monday - what a guy!
There's always a "benefit" to the romps thru the forests of Boris ‘n Leon - we DO have our Sausage ‘n Road Kill MoSheen -
There's something to be said about finding a place where you feel so much "at home" - go there!
Glad you stopped by . . .
Monday - Feb 25th:
Page 188 - Eric (EricX2000) at 1:09 AM: Yes, Camp Sumter in Georgia became known as the infamous Andersonville . . .
Noted that your Phoenix NHL team pretty much put the lid on any hopes of my Blues making the playoffs. Actually neither team deserves to get "in" . . . another poor season for St. Louis. They haven't been anywhere near the "same" since the lock-out season . . .
Nice looking trolleys - prefer the PCC!
I'm sure the guys will appreciate a day "on Eric" . . . visit ‘n ROUNDS appreciated!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Tom
I am glad I brought my flash light so I can find the mail slot in the door. There it goes.
Some unexpected events kept me away from this bar this weekend, but here are my comments. All drinks on me this Monday!
Rob – Nice of Hilda to keep an eye on me. I feel very safe! Interesting articles on the Birney Safety Car and the PCC. A photo of one of each below.Birney Safe Car.Los Angeles’ first PCC from 1937. Tom – Yes, we need all the rain we can get here in the desert. I would love to travel by train all the way from New York to Chicago on the Water Level Route. Thanks for the article on Penn Station! I agree, it was next to a crime to destroy the old Penn Station! Penn Station of today reminds me more of a subway station than a railroad station. Interesting photos in Doug’s old posts! I guess they show equipment from Illinois Railway Museum. I have to go to that museum again. A lot of stuff to check!Another set of good movies at the Emporium! Andersonville is a must see. I’ve read about that prison. I think it officailly was called Camp Sumter. Mike – Thanks for the Long Island City photos!Pete – The Trondheim car was in regular service when I took the photo, but that was many years ago. I don’t even know if that particular streetcar is preserved today. I hope so, but couldn’t find any info when I did some research. Thanks for the photos from the Stockton & Darlington 150 in 1975! Must have been a very interesting anniversary!Allan – That’s what I thought! Whale Rider is a family film, probably with some tragic stuff but with a happy ending. I like that.
Eric
Good evening folks , figured that I would let myself in the back door and finish the weeks paperwork,nice and quiet in here as well with the bar closed and Leon ,Boris and the critters ares till out trampling through the wilderness.Word of cautin when Boris and Leon head out on these extended nature walks they generally bring back game with them,and not game in teh sence the rest of us apriciate.So don't eat any of the un-named speacials next week unless you like squirrel, possum or other such unusual fare.<uh oh >
Tom-My mistake , I had thought those were shots from the rendezvous last year,but I was out of touch at that point.Doug did have a wonderfull way of summing things up and including pretty pictures along the way.Here's hopping that he still looks in once in a while.
No problemo with the subtitles,Molly is on it, couldn't think of a better person to do it. .Great to here that there will be some "bag knitting " in the upcomming movieNice of you to nurture and support Cindy's hobbies,even nicer that you have allowed her to share with the world
You must post a list of those phrases words ( woids ) and the like that irk you to the point of tweeting,nice to have a fresh warning.Great movie picks again as always. the Emporium has been a raring success ca-ching ca-ching !
Mike-Nice shots sir, lots of interesting stuff there
Allan-Ah yes the wayward youth do tend to find their ways around most of the controls here as well. What bugs and irks me to no end is that when they are caught they are handled with kit gloves and a general wringing of the hands If the punishment fits the offence, it should be used not modified.Otherwise why have the punishments listed in the criminal code my rant 's over but it does PO me so.
You are indeed a luckey luckey man if the area arounf your home and Christchurch looks like those views of BC. Why would you ever leave. Mind you I felt the same way last year when we visited Newfoundland,both the wife an I felt more at home there than in Ontario where we have both lived our entire lives. Some places just feel like home.
Andersonville (1996)
PLOT SUMMARY: They left the nightmare...and entered Hell. Captured Union soldiers cope with life inside the Civil War's most notorious prisoner-of-war camp. A powerful, compelling tale of war and will, with Emmy Award-winning direction by John Frankenheimer and a cast including Frederic Forrest (Apocalypse Now) and William H. Macy (ER, Fargo) Year: 1996 Director: John Frankenheimer Starring: Jarrod Emick, Frederic Forrest, Ted Marcoux
They left the nightmare...and entered Hell. Captured Union soldiers cope with life inside the Civil War's most notorious prisoner-of-war camp. A powerful, compelling tale of war and will, with Emmy Award-winning direction by John Frankenheimer and a cast including Frederic Forrest (Apocalypse Now) and William H. Macy (ER, Fargo) Year: 1996 Director: John Frankenheimer Starring: Jarrod Emick, Frederic Forrest, Ted Marcoux
Wag the Dog Rider (1997)
PLOT SUMMARY: Not only was Barry Levinson's comedy shot in a relatively fast period of 29 days, the satire of politics and show business feels as if it were made yesterday. There's a fresh spin quite evident here, a nervy satire of a presidential crisis and the people who whitewash the facts. The main players are a mysterious Mr. Fix-It (Robert De Niro), veteran Hollywood producer (Dustin Hoffman), and a White House aide (Anne Heche). Can the president's molesting of a young girl be buried in the two weeks before an election? A war in Albania just might do the trick. In the good old days, the president would just invade. With modern technology, it's even cleaner. The hungry press looks for any lead, convenient misinformation is created by the latest Hollywood fakery ("all developed by the new James Cameron film") creating images and merchandise all instantly packaged. And it must be real, because it's on TV. David Mamet's script never questions the morals or the absolute secrecy needed to pull this thing off. He and director Barry Levinson have enough truth in the story to make you wonder what is real news and what is just promotion . . . .--Doug Thomas
Not only was Barry Levinson's comedy shot in a relatively fast period of 29 days, the satire of politics and show business feels as if it were made yesterday. There's a fresh spin quite evident here, a nervy satire of a presidential crisis and the people who whitewash the facts. The main players are a mysterious Mr. Fix-It (Robert De Niro), veteran Hollywood producer (Dustin Hoffman), and a White House aide (Anne Heche). Can the president's molesting of a young girl be buried in the two weeks before an election? A war in Albania just might do the trick. In the good old days, the president would just invade. With modern technology, it's even cleaner. The hungry press looks for any lead, convenient misinformation is created by the latest Hollywood fakery ("all developed by the new James Cameron film") creating images and merchandise all instantly packaged. And it must be real, because it's on TV. David Mamet's script never questions the morals or the absolute secrecy needed to pull this thing off. He and director Barry Levinson have enough truth in the story to make you wonder what is real news and what is just promotion . . . .--Doug Thomas
SHORT: The Three Stooges - Micro-Phonies (1945)
PLOT SUMMARY: The boys begin the short as workmen getting chewed out by their boss. Fleeing from an unsuccessful attempt to repair a radiator, they end up in a recording studio, where Curly (in drag) is mistaken for an opera singer by a woman who sees the boys lip-synching to a recording made earlier in the day by Alice Andrews (Christine McIntyre). Invited to sing at a party that night, the boys bump into Signor Spumoni, who knows they are fakes, and Alice, who wants to win a job as a singer on her own to impress her father. Spumoni exposes the boys as fakes, and everyone realizes it was Alice who was the singer they were hearing. As the boys get what is coming to them, Christine's character is rewarded with the job. A good performance from Curly, considering he was not in the best of health when this short was made.
The boys begin the short as workmen getting chewed out by their boss. Fleeing from an unsuccessful attempt to repair a radiator, they end up in a recording studio, where Curly (in drag) is mistaken for an opera singer by a woman who sees the boys lip-synching to a recording made earlier in the day by Alice Andrews (Christine McIntyre). Invited to sing at a party that night, the boys bump into Signor Spumoni, who knows they are fakes, and Alice, who wants to win a job as a singer on her own to impress her father. Spumoni exposes the boys as fakes, and everyone realizes it was Alice who was the singer they were hearing. As the boys get what is coming to them, Christine's character is rewarded with the job. A good performance from Curly, considering he was not in the best of health when this short was made.
"Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays
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Sunday morning, a good time to catch up . . .
Saturday - Feb 23rd: <all times Central standard>
Page 188 - Mike (wanswheel) at 9:49 AM: Interesting link on the LI City power plant dismantling. Some remedial stuff about ‘lectric - AC/DC; good reading.
Nice spate of fotos . . . liked the one with the PRR heavyweights!
Why the edit First offering was fine - especially the chart vs map stuff. All that fine effort . . . Hmmmmmm.
Round appreciated!
Page 188 - Pete (pwolfe) at 1:49 PM: "In" with an < I3 > Post ‘n some fine foto reruns!
Knew a guy who had worked several summers on the railroad track gangs, earning money to pay his college tuition back in the 60s. The guy appeared to be as strong as an ox ‘n he was. Fortunately he had a level disposition, otherwise . . . Just shaking hands with him was an experience. <yikes> He said he drove spikes with a sledge hammer . . . so I guess that would do it. <ugh> Don't recall what road he worked for, but he's from Pennsylvania, up ‘round lake Erie . . . said the train would take ‘em out to the work site - drop ‘em off, returning at dusk . . . long day, fer sure, fer sure.
There's an educational tour in that foto spread of yours - well done, Mate!
Appreciate the continuing support of our ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
Page 188 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 5 PM ‘n 5:13 PM: In with a couple to maintain the momentum of the day - which really was rather abysmal if taken as a whole. I surprised myself at Posting as many as I did . . . pretty much an empty house during daylite . . .
The idea of Saturday as our ENCORE! ‘n Photo Posting Day is to bring back those special Posts from the past. Not the "data dump" stuff <RIP> - but material that will grab the attention of the viewer . . . barndad Doug's material is pretty much at the top of my list as he put together not only fotos, but descriptions as well.
You already know that I detest, dislike, have disdain for, ‘n hate the term "cabeese." Doesn't exist in my lexicon . . . <uh oh> Since I'm the Proprietor ‘n have possession of "The Book of <tweetable> OH-FENCE-EZ" - I'd be verrrrrrrrrry careful about <aboot> using it ‘round here! <triple uh oh> There's another that bothers me - ‘n I can't put my finger on why - but this "thanks for sharing" makes my hackles stand up. Really don't know why . . . Hmmmmmmm.
Those weren't Rendezvous fotos - all were from the archives of barndad Doug submissions taken at the IRM <I believe>.
Thanx for putting things straight <????> regarding the "Black Bag" movie-in-the-making. Subtitles, man - subtitles!! Gotta use ‘em with you-know-who narrating!
Cindy has approached me with her thoughts about participating with her Knitting Circle ‘n Ladies of Perpetual Motion. As you KNOW - she's MINE, MINE, MINE - but I see no harm in it. So I gave her the - if you follow my drift. <grin>
PCC car rerun always a good read!
Really great having you back again, Rob - appreciate all the good stuff you've come up with ‘n of course helping to keep "Our" Place - OUR place!
Page 188 - Allan (Gunneral) 7:39 PM: A fine < I3 > Post from our Resident Downunder Kiwi Connection!
In eavesdropping your Post <barkeep's prerogative> I couldn't agree with you more regarding your assessment of "Whale Rider." After viewing it when first arrived at the theatres ‘round here, we knew that i
Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon.
Rob. They have a restricted licence system for young drivers here as well, can only drive with a licenced driver on board, no passengers if no licenced person present, no driving after 10pm, they still do`nt like any authority cramping their style whatsoever! Enjoyed all your info and on the Nearside Cars and Peter Witt, and the Classic Juice Encores and all the pics of the preserved steam loco`s and trolleys`.
Mike. Nice lot of pics and URL`s on the old maps and Old Long Island City.
Eric. We saw "Whale Rider" when it was 1st released, it`s got a heart tugging story to it, a nice family movie., A great set of pics of the LA trolley, Pikes Peak RR, Trondheim tram, and small steam Loco`s and nice link to the Orange Empire Museum.
Dan. Very interesting link to the Lister site, we used to have Lister generators in the artillery in the 50`s, replaced by Meadows sets in the 60`s, great links to the Grand Central Railway and Crich Tram museum. I`d clean forgotten about the 'mackers" dialect from the Sunderland area which is very much the same as "pit yacker Geordie" you could tell if someone was a 'macker' by the way they pronounced "book" they said "buook"
CM3. Hope you`re feeling a lot better now? Enjoyed your very interesting links to the PRR Altoona Shops story.
Ron. Good to see you`ve sorted out the `puter virus problem, a very nice compilation of Railway Events of 1938, and the info on my favourite LNER A4 loco`s.
Pete. Many thanks for your latest lot of Shildon loco parade photo`s, they were really great and are definate "keepers". Nice shots of the Deltics` and the Class 56 loco`s, as Dan has said, that tram looks very much like a Blackpool one by the looks of power pole assembly on it`s roof. Federation Brewery`s must have other sites other than Newcastle as they supply all the Federated Clubs in the UK. It`s funny how some English accents sound to other English speakers, here in NZ they say "fush und chups" for "fish and chips" and "yis" for "yes", some of the vowel variations are so humerous, I`ve never been mistaken as an Aussie over here at all.
Nick. Your Welsh menu sounds delicious and a good deal more tempting than "Welsh Rarebit", are you taking any orders?
Tom. Many thanks for your e-mails and latest news, when they held the British Commonwealth Games at Vancouver it did look very much like Christchurch in the TV shots. The local library is getting a copy of "Ice Bound" for me to read, we have a great library service here and they are more than helpful all the time. Really enjoyed all of your postings, the Canada trilogy with Gordon Lightfoot singing to the video was a "cracker". Nice lot of info in the Passenger Train Nostalgia #68 on the NYC with all the Drumheads and a great write up with pics on the NYC RR`s Pennsylvania Station, it was nice to see all those reposts of barndad Doug`s with all the great info and pics of his. Enjoyed the discussion you had with Dan on the various DMU`s.
See ya, Allan
Another encore from the old thread.The final part of the new streetcar design series.
Classic Juice #8 The PCC The PCC car. The final of what I think were the major three tactics / car designs brought out to keep the riding public on the street railways, as opposed to busses or cars. The PCC or Presidents Conference Committee cars were designed by a committee of the 21 largest streetcar companies of North America ( Toronto , Philly . Clebveland , KC , St Louis , Chicago , and Detroit being amoung the designing presidents ) The company presidents got together in St Louis in 1934 to brainstorm and come up with a car design to compete with burgeoning compition from cars and busses also to modernize and maintain passenger levels in the final stages of the great depression. They wanted to go with a car that could operate as a one man vehicle( cost saving) most older designs had been so converted at this point) utilizing the revolutionary Pay as you pass ( the farebox ) idea started by Peter Witt in the late teens. They also wanted a lighter weight, faster car ( the older wood and steel cars Witt's nearside's etc had heavy framing and were slow and in some designs rough riding ) which would be comfortable and warm and appealing to modern people. The cars ended up with a light weight unibody design which as was envogue at the time streamlined with leather,padded upolstry in single an double seat sets the length of the car. Efficient electric in floor heating and a very quick 0 to 50 mph start up which would leave auto's and cars weighting in a dead start. These were the frist street cars that could actually maintain a constant quick speed with which they could keep up with traffic. The cars were first put into production at the St Louis Car Company with the first units rolling off the assembly line in 1936. Pullman Standard and CC&F ( Canadian Car & Foundry of Montreal ) soon had licence to build the design as well. The first CC&F units rolled off the assembly line for the TTC in 1938. Our museum has air electric # 4000 the TTC'S original Candain prototype car. ( still operable as well ) The first batches of the cars had a definate art deco design very curvy and gracefull. They are also known as the air-electric PCC's meaning that the doors and brakes were air powered with the traction power and heaters being electric. In 1944 PS and St Louis car began building the all electric version's which featured as the name suggests all door brake and traction power being electric ( thus simplifying maintenance ) The later all electrics could be mu'ed for train service on busy routes. Shaker heights in Cleveland Bloor and St Clair in Toronto are two that come imediatly to mind. The PCC's certainly had staying power they were manufactured from 1936 straight through to 1951. Many external changes ocured to the designs over the production spans. A few double ended cars, larger bus type windows, ommision of standee windows, and roof ventilation options, etc etc. Close to 6000 units were produce for the major Us and Canadian cities as well as several European city systems, in France , Belgium and Holland. The TTC even sold older air-electric cars to Alexandria and Cairo Egypt. Several Us cities also sold off their cars to Turkey or other cities as they discontinued service or replaced with newer LRV's. At one point in 1965 the TTC went all PCC system wide with 400 cars they purchased new and the additional cars they bought used a refurbished from US cities finally topping out at 775 cars on the system. Today most PCC's are in musuems however San Fransisco's street railway runs several lines with just PCC cars bought mostly from Toronto & other cities as well. One thing with theirs are that they maintain the cars with their classic donner paint jobs so on San Fran you can see Baltimore,Detroit ,Cleveland . PE just about everyone's liveries plying the streets still doing what they do best. Quick efficient point "A" to point "B" public transit. Rob
Afternoon Leon my friend , just a quick pint of guiness if you don't mind.
Pete-Glad that you are enjoying the re-reads of the streetcar types.It's been quite a while since they were out so I figured they would make for good new/old reading for everyone.
Thanks for the additional info on those Pullman's as I said a real classy paint job.good to hear that the bags finally on side,with H&H as agents/body guards he/she/it should do well.
Nice steam photo's as well.
Tom-I can't understand why your upset about the mushy peas you never eat them and now you know why
Did you catch the special on the History network on the discovery of the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,it was quite good nice shots of the wreck with the underwater cams as well,pretty much confirmed the official reports of the loss.They attached a plaque as well to the wreck as well.
Nice to see the re-runs of Dougs pictures some really nice stuff over there at the IRM.Of possible interest that preserved SP SD7 was one of the original two demonstrators that were built to flaunt the new six axle speacial duty line of locomotives,I can't remember which one it was 990 or 991.The Chicago L car is a mate to number 48 at our museum.We picked it up for our collection as at one point when the TTC was designing the Scarborough LRT line that type of car was originally concidered for use on that line.
Nice to see Nick's origine of Copperkettle story again,he still the best Zep pilot that we have.At least when he's flying he only straifs the Second Class one trip out of ten unlike H&H's eleven times out of ten.
Not to worry we are not accepting nay money from the Second National bank.We are simply charging them set fees for the use of bits of our place and the Mentor train station for the use of the film crews. We are also acting as the talent agents for Pete the Bag and any extra parts which are given to the staff emmbers or mascotts.
As it sits now the Bag will star as himself/itself/herself Pete is narrating,and Sean Connery is playing Pete.leon Boris and H&H will likely have some small walk on parts and H&H will of coarse be providing the catering ( more money for the bathtub )and no no mushy peas will be allowed as h'ors d'euves.There is a possibility that Cindy and the Ladies of perpetual motion will have some long dance sequences as well downside to that is that H&H will also be in the chorus line
Now there may be a made for TV sequal staring the Gucci hand bag as the bag and Rowen Atkinson as Pete but it will not invlove us.But it is the affair of Vito and his groups. Bottom line we should end up with more than enough cash to have "Oktoberfest" and the "St Pats day" and the "April aniversary" parties. All in all a good deal for our new Mentor Villiage Talent scounts and bottle washing society.
Hey Tom I see that you've come back in with some more rendezvous photo's all good love those cabooses or is that cabeese
This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
Pete - your Rendezvous hotel reservations have been resent . . .
Save the new material for Monday thru Friday - Regulars know that!
A finale for this ENCORE! Saturday . . . bringing up the rear, a caboose or three from UTB barndad Doug <who else!> . . . this one from Page 232, 29 Jan 2006 on the Original Thread . . . .
United States Navy 7 1917 Four-Wheel Saddle Tank Switcher (0-4-0-T) The smallest steam locomotives were "tank" switchers, built without separate tenders. Fuel was carried in a bunker behind the cab, while water was carried in tanks alongside or straddling the boiler. Most used mechanically simple designs, often with Stephenson valve gear and other components considered outmoded for mainline use. The navy purchased several 0-4-0T saddle tank locomotives for use at the Brooklyn Naval Yard, where their diminutive size was ideal for the dockyard's sharp curves and tight clearances. Navy 7 was sold to American Creosote Works in Jackson, Tennessee in 1942, and remained in service until the 1950's. Builder - Vulcan Iron Works, 2644. Tractive effort 9,000 pounds. Weight - 78,000 pounds. Illinois Central 9792 Builder: Illinois Central Year Built: 1940 Length: 36ft 7in Width: 10ft 6in Height: 15ft 2in Weight: ??? lbs Brakes: AB Trucks: Scullin Description: Steel Cupola Side Door Caboose
Enjoy <again>
Emporium Theatre listings tomorrow . . .
I see Mike 'n Pete have been "in" today . . .
Continuing on with ENCORE! Saturday . . .
Another from our long-gone UTB barndad Doug - this one from Page 220, 15 Jan 2006 on the Original Thread . . .
Chicago & North Western 7700 Builder: American Car & Foundry Company Year Built: 1923 Seats: 70 Length: 80ft 10in Width: 10ft 3in Height: 13ft 6in Weight: ??? lbs Brakes: UC Trucks: 4 Wheel Description: Lightweight Coach/Baggage Chicago Transit Authority 6656 Builder: St. Louis Car Company Year Built: 1957 Seats: 51 Length: 48ft Width: 9ft 4in Height: 11ft 10in Weight: 45000 lbs Brakes: All Electric Motors: 4 WH 1432LK Control: B2A-XDA1G Trucks: StL B3 Description: Single End / Double Truck / Arch Roof / PCC Southern Pacific 1518 Builder: Electro Motive Division GM Model: SD-7 Horsepower: 1500 Length: 60ft 8 in Width: 10ft 8in Height: 14ft 1in Brakes: 24RL Engine: 16-645CE Motors: 6 EMD Trucks: EMD C Description: Diesel-Electric / First SD Series Built Union Refrigerator Transit 75524 Builder: General American Transportation Year Built: 1950 Length: 43ft 5in Width: 10ft 2in Height: 13ft 8in Weight: 64400 lbs Brakes: AB Trucks: Barber Description: Steel Reefer / American Beef Packers General American Pfaudler Corp. 1021 Builder: General American Transportation Year Built: 1947 Length: 51ft 5in Width: 9ft 11in Height: 13ft 2in Weight: 74900 lbs Brakes: U-12 Trucks: Barber Description: Steel Milk Car Union Pacific Railroad 907149 Builder: Union Pacific Year Built: 1939 Length: 40ft 8in Width: 9ft 9in Height: 13ft 1in Weight: 57200 lbs Brakes: AB Trucks: Sym Gould Hi-Speed Description: Hi-Speed Express Box Car / Class B50-25 (Ex 9195) Chicago Burlington & Quincy 204738 Builder: CB&Q Year Built: ??? Weight: 65000 lbs Trucks: 4 Wheel (Single) Description: Scale Test Car
Hi Tom and all.
A cup of your famous coffee and a bacon sarnie please CINDY.
ERIC I think the passengers had to bring their own pieces to play the games. I agree I always look out the window when traveling by train and most of the time on an aircraft if it is not too cloudy.
Yes I think they done a really good job with painting the class 73 in Pullman livery
Many thanks for the photos. Was the Trondheim streetcar running in a museum. It was a sad sight to see the steam locomotives stored waiting a final trip to the scrapyard.1968 was the last year of standard gauge steam on British Railways and in the locomotive depots in the North West of England there would be similar scenes of a lot of steam locos waiting their fate.
ROB The bag is not worried about Vito The Hit, it is very good friends with H&H, who Vito's goons live in fear of (with very good reason).
I think the Pullman livered No 73101 was quite often used to bring the empty stock of the VSOE restored Pullmans into London Victoria station and must have looked a great sight, with the Pullmans being hauled on a tour by a steam locomotive. I don't know if 73101 did do any tours with the Pullmans.
Yes a ‘wardrobe malfunction' with H&H on St Patrick's Day would involve a lot of work for Inspector Clueless and his crew in the ensuing riots. I am seeing their Mushy Peas in a different light, no wonder BORIS like them so much.
Many thanks for the Classic Juice Encore. Enjoyed reading about the development in the cars design from wooden cars to wooden bodies and steel underframes to the ‘safety cars'.
MIKE Many thanks for the round and the old photos and links to Long Island City. I noticed the Pullman car in one of the photos and it was a good photo of the inside of the power station in one of the links.
TOM. Afraid I did not get the hotel reservation e-mail
Good to read about COPPERKETTLE again, he seems to spend most of his time flying the Zeppelin recently, no doubt keeping out the clutches of H&H.
Enjoyed the song titles. I blame the spell checker for the ‘stake' mind you some of with some of H&H's offerings it would be the right spelling (but I dare not tell them that.)
I see in a survey that a lot more people take the day after St Patrick's Day off from work than on the day itself, so I guess it would have to be a two day holiday. As you say it would be a good day to stay home if it was a holiday.
That is an interesting link to the ‘navvies' they got the name from navigator as they were involved in building the canals from the mid 1700s, so when the railways came along there was a workforce available. I have read it took about 6 months for a fit farm worker to be a strong as the railway navvy.
Many thanks for the Penn Station Encore. It was a really grand building before its demolition. I have been there, I took the train from Newark Airport when I had a long layover between flights, I would have loved to have seen the station in its heyday.
Great encore of the much missed DOUG's photos and descriptions. They certainly have some great exhibits at the IRM.
For my contribution to photo and encore day, more from the Stockton & Darlington 150 at Shildon in 1975.
LMS 4-6-0 Jubilee class No 45690 'Leander' introduced in 1934. One of th
Continuing on with what this Saturday is supposed to be about <aboot>- ENCORES! . . . here's a spread seen before . . .
This from barndad Doug, a favorite UTB of ours - no one did it better! Seen on Page 220, 15 Jan 2006 on the Original Thread!
Union Pacific Railroad 900075 Builder: Lima Year Built: 1949 Length: 104ft 9in Width: 12ft 1in Height: 16ft 5in Weight: 303000 lbs Brakes: 6ET Trucks: General Steel Casting Description: Rotary Snow Plow & Tender Maryland MARC 91 Builder: Electro Motive Division GM Year Built: 1953 Model: E-9AM Horsepower: 2400 Length: 70ft 3in Width: 10ft 6in Height: 14ft Weight: 340000 lbs Brakes: PS-68 Engine: Two 12-645CE Motors: 4 EMD Trucks: EMD A1A Description: Diesel-Electric (MARC 91 / ex MARC 67 / ex BN 9907 / ex BN 9973 / nee CB&Q 9973) Chicago Tunnel Company 508 Builder: Baldwin / Westinghouse Year Built: 1908 Length: 10ft 11in Width: 3ft 7in Height: 5ft 2in Weight: 15000 lbs Brakes: Hand Motors: 2 WH 155 Control: WH K11 Trucks: Single Description: Single End / Single Truck / Tunnel Locomotive Chicago Burlington & Quincy 9911A Builder: Electro Motive Corporation Year Built: 1940 Model: E-5A Horsepower: 2000 Length: 80ft Width: 10ft 6in Height: 14ft Weight: 314800 lbs Brakes: HSC-D22ER Engine: Two 12-567A Motors: EMD D17 / 3 EMD D27 Trucks: EMD A1A Description: Diesel-Electric / Silver Pilot (Ex C&S 9952A) Green Bay & Western 2407 Builder: ALCO Year Built: 1959 Model: RSD-15 Horsepower: 2400 Length: 66ft 7in Width: 10ft 1in Height: 14ft 11in Weight: 382400 lbs Brakes: 26C Engine: 16-251B Motors: 6 GE 752 Trucks: Tri-Mount Description: Diesel-Electric / Ex Santa Fe 841 Association of American Railroads X201 Builder: Buda Year Built: 1936 Length: 22ft 4in Width: 9ft 10in Height: 10ft 4in Weight: 22000 lbs Brakes: Bendix Trucks: Buda Description: Rail Test Car Chicago North Shore & Milwaukee 160 Builder: J. G. Brill Company Year Built: 1915 Seats: 58 Length: 56ft 1in Width: 8ft 8in Height: 12ft 6in Weight: 90300 lbs Brakes: AMU Motors: 4 WH 557A5 Control: HLF-28A Compressor: CP-28 Trucks: Brill 27MCB3X Description: Double End / Double Truck / Arch Roof / Steel Coach
Enjoy! <again>
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Pics of Long Island City back when
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It's ENCORE! Saturday . . .
Railroad Stations - Terminals & Depots
Number Four
New York City's Pennsylvania Station
Penn Station's underground Long Island Rail Road concourse
Pennsylvania Station is one of New York City's main railway stations, sharing the Pennsylvania Station name with several stations in other cities. Commonly known as Penn Station, it is located in the underground levels of Pennsylvania Plaza, an urban complex located at 32nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenues in Manhattan. Madison Square Garden is located atop the station. The name comes from its original owner, the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Penn Station is located at the center of the Northeast Corridor, an electrified passenger railroad line extending from Washington, D.C. to Boston, Massachusetts. The station is served by a number of passenger rail services including Amtrak (the station's owner), Long Island Rail Road, New Jersey Transit and the New York City Subway, which does not actually share tracks into Penn Station, but has two stations at the eastern and western ends, with direct entrances in and out the concourse. PATH has a station at 33rd Street one block east on Sixth Avenue.
In 2004, Penn Station was the busiest Amtrak station in the United States by annual boardings with 4,367,553, more than double those of its nearest competitor, in Washington, D.C.[1].
The station is assigned the IATA airport code of ZYP. Its Amtrak station code is NYP.
History
Enabling
View from the northeast, circa 1911. The sheer size of the structure in comparison to the surrounding buildings is notable. Very little of this scene survives in modern Manhattan.
Penn Station is named for the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), its builder and original tenant. There could have been no Penn Station in New York City until the Pennsylvania Railroad's rails reached Manhattan. The 19th century PRR terminated across the Hudson River at Jersey City's Exchange Place terminal in New Jersey, where passengers bound for Manhattan boarded ferries for the final stretch of their journey. The rival New York Central Railroad's rails ran down Manhattan from the north, ending in its Grand Central Terminal in the heart of Midtown Manhattan.
The Pennsylvania Railroad, unsatisfied with this state of affairs, considered bridging the Hudson River (too expensive) or tunneling under it (too long to work with steam locomotives and too difficult to ventilate). The development of the electric locomotive and electrified railroad systems by the early 20th century provided a practicable solution to the latter problem.
On December 12, 1901, PRR president Alexander Cassatt announced the railroad's plan to enter New York City, tunneling under the Hudson and building a grand station on the West Side of Manhattan, south of 34th Street. The PRR had been secretly buying up the necessary land in Manhattan and New Jersey for some time.
The main waiting room, circa 1911: the Roman model was the Baths of Caracalla
Yeah, it's Saturday once more. So, kick back 'n enjoy a relaxing start to the weekend by drawing a mugga Joe, grab a few pastries 'n maybe even order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
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Mention of a character who goes by the name of Copperkettle has appeared several times lately. So, here's a refresher regarding the origin of that addition to our Cast of Characters at "Our" Place:
Brief footnote-Copperkettle, the new kitchen assistant-have recently been reading a rather weighty historical novel (contradiction in terms) about the last days of the Aztecs at about the time of Cortez & Montezuma--since most of the characters names are both polysyllabic and unpronounceable the minds eye renders them into something slightly more manageable, thus Copaquetzal becomes Copperkettle and so on-as a copper kettle is a traditional part of a kitchen range he seemed a likely addition to the Addam`s family-like cast of characters hereabouts ....... gentlemen.I cast myself upon your mercy (possible train link - although tenuous-) Neil Young, the new(ish) part owner of Lionel wrote a marvelous song called "Cortez the Killer" which we use as a grand finale piece with one of my bands---well I did say it was tenuous................. <from: Nick (nickinwestwales) on 19 Sep 2006, Page 396 of the Original Thread>
Brief footnote-Copperkettle, the new kitchen assistant-have recently been reading a rather weighty historical novel (contradiction in terms) about the last days of the Aztecs at about the time of Cortez & Montezuma--since most of the characters names are both polysyllabic and unpronounceable the minds eye renders them into something slightly more manageable, thus Copaquetzal becomes Copperkettle and so on-as a copper kettle is a traditional part of a kitchen range he seemed a likely addition to the Addam`s family-like cast of characters hereabouts ....... gentlemen.I cast myself upon your mercy (possible train link - although tenuous-) Neil Young, the new(ish) part owner of Lionel wrote a marvelous song called "Cortez the Killer" which we use as a grand finale piece with one of my bands---well I did say it was tenuous.................
Friday - Feb 22nd: <all times Central standard>
Page 187 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 8:48 AM: Just like olde tymes . . . kicking off the AM with some pick-us-up humor ‘n fun facts ‘bout <what else> TRAINS of the Classic kind!
Lectric never went "out," as this event was simply a downpour of freezing rain ‘n sleet, no severe winds or definitive storm as we've had in the past. Fortunately, we're in an area where the service is beneath the ground, so when outages occur - and they do - it isn't because of downed wires.
Music, a good book ‘n a fine friend in a dog are all designed to put us at ease. Glad you enjoyed your revisiting Gordon's treasury!
Wouldn't it be a treat to have former Chief Chef Nick prepare those culinary treats for us at Rendezvous III Oh well . . . . you'll have to suffer along with some of MY innovations. <grin>
Luv those song titles, which of course brings to mind some that we've dropped on the guys many moons ago . . . here's a few for laffs:
She Got The Ring And I Got The Finger
If I Can't Be Number One In Your Life, Then Number Two On You
If I Had Shot You When I Wanted To, I'd Be Out By Now
You're the Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly
All My Exes Live in Texas
Many thanx for the visti, chat, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 187 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 11:40 AM: This was one weird ice storm - probably shouldn't refer to it in that way for the trees ‘n shrubs were spared the wrath of winter. Quite unlike some we've experienced . . . about 2 inches of solid - white - ice on the sidewalks ‘n driveways. Streets are relatively clear . . . . Juneau is delighted as am I, since winter is my most favorite of seasons.
Should reiterate that the FlexLiner wasn't a bad ride at all - but in my OH-PIN-YUN most appropriate for the short-haul. The idea of that equipment really has merit ‘n it's a shame that it hasn't caught on in those areas of close proximity between metro areas.
Classic Juice #10 The changes in car design and crewing and the comming of the safety car' A lot of you will remember the Saftey car or the Birney from your own cities systems. Next to the Witt Birney's were likely the most common streetcar type out there, with most major and alot of the minor systems operating them,they came in two main forms the single or double truck models. They were designed for singleman operation as well, hence the safety car moniker. First a bit of run up back history to the advent of the one man car. To the uninitiated,the general appearance of trolley's appearance to have changed little before the 1930's. One however can find many subtle changes beginning in the 20's. Monitor roofs , with their small openable clerestry windows, gave way to the arched roof with ventilators around 1910. Rear plateforms were enlarged for the new Pay as you enter PAYE fare system , and doors started to appear more commonly in the centre when Paye as you pass started with the Witt cars. More common use of bright colours, and the abandonment of fancy lettering and striping in the 20's also occured. Likley the biggest change was construction methods, in the 20's steel replaced wood as the construction medium. At the turn of the century (approx 1906 ) steel was used as an underframe, with a wood body previous to that cars were generally all wood. The first NA manufacturer tp do steel bodies was the pressed steel company of Pittsburgh which delivered it's first all steel cars to Montreal in 1907. Most companies however beleaved that heavier wood bodied cars ( steel underframe ) gave a smoother ride,some going even as far as to insist on concrete floors for extra added stability ! Nevertheless steel offered more strength ,was less fragile for external panel use, and could be more easily repaired with rivetting or welding. It was also more fireproof and held together better under vibration. As steel's advantages became better known and hardwoods became more scarce,the tide of opinion changed and by 1912 the star of the changeover took place. Wood interiors and wood framed canvas covered roofs remained in vogue for many years yet but after 1917 the all wood car was obsolete. While double truck cars became increasingly more popular after the turn of the century ,single truck trams continued to be built to the 1930's. Because they were shorter and lighter, and took up less street space,required less maintenance and consumed less energy.They were better suited to single man pay as you pass operations as well for smaller cities and less travelled routes. Money savings were the prime motivation in the 30's to single man cars as well. The unions of coarse were not happy with the loss off two man crewing. The main crux was what if the motorman passes out or dies with no conductor who would save the passengers, this is a death trap etc etc. Enter the safety car ( and better motorman wages/ sorry conductors the union got less jobs but, more money for the remaining members ) Significant technical improvements / advances happen just prior to WW1 making 1 man operation safe and practical. With the "safety cars " the first was built by St louis car in 1913 for the Illinois traction ( later terminal , thought you would like that Tom ). It featured a combination brake,sand and door mechanism plus a deadmans handle. The latter became the main feature to overcome the objections to one man operation should the operator become unconscious or dead.The handle has to remain depressed,otherwise the brakes and would automatically apply and the doors would be made openable only by hand. Doors could not be openned while the car was moving nor could the car move if the doors were open. Hence the "safety car" name. This system was designed by J.M. Boisenbury ( Illinois Traction's superintendant of motive power ) he worked in conjunction with Westinghouse. A foot positioned deadman's button which had to be stood on at all times was also developed at this time.( PCC's use these ) Safety cars of all shapes and sizes were built to double and single truck models.The most popular was the Birney designed by Charles O. Birney of Stone & Webster. his car standarized on a 28 foot 16,000 pound car first produced by Brill in 1916 .This was a rough riding but cheap to produce car essentilally , the model T of the transportion systems.There were no frills minimal heating with rataan seats. The later double truck models rode better but were still rough 47 feet long 40,000 pounds. The later still Witt's and PCC's are also safety cars in that their safety appliances are the same ( deadman handle on the Witt , floor pedal on the PCC ) they were just more civilized to the ride characteristcs and of coarse they wer faster. Rob
Good evening again Leon another Keith's for the road,yes Boris call me the local cab and rickshaw company for a ride home.Here's another classic juice encore to start off encore Saturday. Some light morning reading. This first appeared on the old thread page #162
enjoy
Good evening Leon, ah I see that you saved me some steak good man , as always medium with all the fixin's extra mushrooms though please, and I think a Keith's to top her all off thank-you.
Pete-Tell the bag not to get all unstitched ,Rowan and the Gucci can star in the sequal, the bag is locked in for the first movie for sure.Let the bag know that if it gets too lippy,Vito has a stitch remover and knows how to use it. <uh oh >
Nice picture of the trains in the snow,nice to see that they still get some over home Interesting colour scheme on the Pullmans, they would have looked wonderfull in a whole train together. Much nicer paint job than the boring Pullman green from over here.
I looked at the Crich sight and yes, that does look like the Blackpool tram.Very similar to some of the cars I've seen pictures of from Hamburg,likely a similar design.
Exploding buttons <oh no > mind you H&H would likely survive some how you know how tough they are,they might even like itSomething about mushy peas that were mushed by body parts insted of a fork is just a tad unsettling but what can you do,H&H are very hands on.
Eric-Okay your off H&H's immediate "care" list. Hilda say's she's keeping an eye on you though.<uh oh> Nice trolley shot,and an all to familiar shot of steam awaitng scrapping an all to familiar and sad shot no matter what part of the world it is from.
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Friday evening! Leon, it's time for my Rumpsteak Café de Paris! Medium. Cold Keith's, please!
This day went by very fast. Raining at least half the day. We need it.
DL – Fascinating story about the only electric train in Cuba! Thanks for the link! You are correct, some animals are smarter than some people all the time! Kind of nice to be able to play chess on the train! Tom – Your kind of winter with snow and ice! I am certainly happy we didn’t get any snow today, just rain. Taylor is a very dependable thunderstorm indicator. She knows ahead of time when the storms are coming. The Water Level Route! The ad makes it sound like a nice way to go to Chicago1 At least I can say I have trveled a part of it, New York to Syracuse. But we did not have any Pullman. Nice drumheads, but I still like the round ones better! Mail received. Thank you! Makes my planning easier. CM3 – When I am done with this I’ll sit down, feed the Wurlitzer with quarters and listen to all those new country songs! Thanks for explaining the title of that book! I thought barkpeelers had to do with logging. Rob – No, they will not get me until it is too late! My digestive system was made for late nights! So you can tell H&H not to worry. Thanks for the story on the Witt cars! Most interesting to read why certain things were designed the way they are! Older narrow gauge streetcar, Trondheim, Norway. Pete – Thanks for the info on the Deltics! Six still around! Did people have to bring their own games in order to play during the train ride? Personally I prefer to look out through the window when I am traveling. If it is by train, car, bus or airplane doesn’t matter, I am keeping an eye on the outside.Nice photos of class 56 and class 73! I like the idea to paint the locomotive the same way as the cars. I can see they even added the name Pullman on the sides of the locomotive! Some smaller steam locomotives waiting for the bitter end. Östersund, Sweden. 1968.Eric
A pint of Bathams please RUTH
NICK Real great selection from our. I will have the Welsh black stake cuts, medium well please.
ROB Yes I am despairing of finding the mushy peas I was used to in England H&H try but.......
Glad you enjoyed the tram photo. I though I had some more photos from my visits to Crich but that one is the only one I can find at the moment. Yes the Deltics were quite unmistakable in the way they sounded with their two English Electric Napier diesels.
I hope the displaced workers at the sequin factory don't realize that they are for H or H or we may get exploding sequins.
I think you have upset the bag, saying it was going to be replaced with a Gucci, it said 'lets see how the Gucci deals with a full bottle of spilt soda', also it says no way is it appearing with Rowan Atkinson.
Many thanks for the Peter Witt Classic Juice Encore. The center door made sense with the fare collecting. It is good that, as Toronto was the only company to have both types of Witt Cars, there are both examples in your museum.
I like the sound of Bertha the beer car.
ERIC In your reply to DL I noticed you mention about the games on the tables of the Grand Central HST. There was a set of MK1 coaches that had chess squares and some other games on some of the tables. I think the fairly long set was used for the Northampton to London Euston and return commuter train Monday to Friday and we often had the cars on a special at the weekend. The Northampton commuter train got the nickname of the ‘Flying Cobbler' as Northampton was famous for making shoes.
Thanks for the Pike's Peak photo and that is a very good web site the Orange Empire Railway Museum.
The production Deltics were a class of 22 locomotives introduced in 1961 and 6 of them are preserved (plus the original prototype), none are owned by BR. I am not too sure how many are in working order at the moment perhaps, DL might know, I think one is working on the main line on specials today.
DL Many thanks for confirming for me that is was Crich where I took the photo of 167, it certainly looks like the Blackpool Tram in the link, I wonder if No 167 worked any where else besides Blackpool.
Do you use the ‘Baker's Bible' railway atlas to mark the routes off. I have the 1984 edition with my lines marked.
That is a very good link to the Cuban Units, I too had never heard of them before. I know a few years back Cuba was very popular with British rail enthusiasts as the Sugar harvest there, used to produce some really old steam locomotives taking the cane to the sugar mills. I cannot recall reading anything about it recently so I am not sure if the steam locomotives are still working.
CM3 Great to see the new songs that have been loaded on the Wurlitzer
Enjoyed reading about the origin of the High Green and Barkpeelers names.
I will try those links again.
TOM It seems as though you have had about the same amount of the frozen stuff as we had.
Thanks for the links to the Rev. William Corby. I see in the newspaper the Guinness have placed an advert in USA Today, calling on Congress to make St. Patrick's Day a public holiday.
It is indeed a great railway tune by Gordon Lightfoot. I have just had a thought, considering a lot of the early railway navies were Irish there does not seem to that many songs about the building of the railways played by Irish Folk Bands
The Peter Witt Story Classic Juice number 7 originally from page 148 of the original threadAs previously disscussed . Mr Mitten's nearside car improved the continents ( NA) street railway system,by instituting the PAYE or pay enter way of collecting fares. This improved rider safety by where the cars would stop and improved the street railways bottom lines by #1 getting fares ( in the daysof the conductor walking up an down the side running boards with the "coffee can" fare box was not only inefficient but many a rider could and would jump on or off woth out paying. And #2 by having a fixed farebox the conductor could conduct there by giving better service to the riders, transfers stop information etc ,etc. In 1912 a young man by the name of Peter Witt was elected to the possition of Traction Commissioner for the Cleveland Railways. He was always seeking ways to improve ridership and rider satisfaction. The one major drawback of the PAYE cars was that they tended to have very long dwell times at stops. With passengers entering amd exiting the cars via the same doors paying the conductor etc. Some people were still managing to not pay and the exsessive wait times slowed down the flow of traffic and the shcedules of the transit system. So he devised a car design which modifed the cars in that the rear doors were moved to the center of the car. Passengers would enter the front move back to the conductors position just in front of the centre doors where he collected the fares. The conductor controlled the center doors which were the exit. Thus pay as you pass came to be. It sped up the dwell times, and ensured that all fares were collected and transfers handed out. Peter Witt supervised the first cars construction at the Cleveland railways Lakeview shops in 1914. The first of these new cars came into service on Dec 1 1914. As built they had longitudinal seats in the front section , followed by cross seats in the rear. Thes cars were also built as single ended controls with two man crew operator and conductor. As more and more of these cars enterd service officials from the other street railway systems came to look at them and quickly began producing similar cars for their own systems. These cars came to be known as "Witt" cars on the major systems of North America. In Cleveland they were known simply as the "Car Riders Car " Many street railways built there own cars to this design and Brill , Can Car Ottawa car Company , Preston Car and Coach, Kuhlman and others began producing this type of car under license. Peter Witt recieved a royalty of $10 per car built outside of the Cleveland shops. Thes cars served all the Major and some of the minor systems. Including Detroit ,Chicago,Kansas City,Providense, Toronto ( 375 cars 75 trailers ),Baltimore,Cleveland, Buffalo , Rochester NY ,Toledo,Birmingham,Kitchener Waterloo (ex Cleveland Cars) Regina ( EX KW cars ! ),and likley several others. Witts came in two sizes. The Large or standard Witt were 53'0" long 8'5" wide and 12' tall ( rail to trolleyboards ) these cars were lower geared and had straight pipping for trailer hauling. They could and did run solo as well. Few street railways used the trailer cars. The small Witt was 47'0" same height and width but were geared for higher speeds. Single service cars( hauled no trailers) used for rush hour and lighter use lines. From what I can gather Toronto was the only company to have the two types of Witts ( as an aside our museum has 4 Toronto Witt's two large and two small ) The Witt cars ran for years in Cleveland from 1914 to the early 50's in Toronto from 1921 to 1966. Similar life spans were enjoyed else where. Not untill the PCC car came about in 1936 was there such a universal streetcar design. The PCC continued the Pay as you pass method of fair collecting which is still in use today. Most Witts were converted to single man operations in the 30's and 40's with the farebox moubted bus style beside the operator. Rear tredle doors were installed as well as operator control of the rear doors once they were converted to single crew. As with Birney safety cars the treadles or operator center or front door controls could not be operated while the car was moving. Deadman switch controllers were also part of the safety package as well. So there you have it the Peter Witt, the car and the man. If you got to my railimages account you can see several pictures of our museums Peter witt's. Large witt 2424 ( lovingly refered to as Bertha or the beer car ) and small Witt's 2786 and 2894.
Tom-Yes chugging along indeed,still some good quality stuff floating out and about ( oot and aboot )Loved the NYC stuff you know that I have a bit of a soft spot for it,but who couldn't eh
Not burnin' up the right-of-way, but still chuggin' along as we've had visits from CM3 Shane 'n Rob this day . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #68
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 249, Feb 17th, 2006 on the Original Thread>
New York Central's Water Level Route
Some drumheads of the NYC:
Enjoy! Tom
Morning Ruth, well I know Boris it's not morning where I am but it still is here for another couple of minutes anyway <sheesh>I think a nice large thermos of teh BK high octane #1 and a number three will do well. Lasts nights food from the galley filled up teh extra bathtub so we now can order more of that long distance imported beers.Copperkettle to the Zepplin shed's
Eric-Another late night snack not good for your recently repaired digestive system sir,we wouldn't have need some high colonic care from H&H As the old saying goes they will get you in the end !
Dan-Some interesting thoughts , espeacially about those EMU's in Cuba.Never saw them when I was there but we never left the resort except to return to Toronto. That would indeed have been the Concollidation that you would have seen last year.Were the beaten up Tee cars still with it when you were there
I don't know most American's can't place my accent either,slightly different depending on which part of Canada you're in. Same goes for the states,though most of them swear that they don't pocess one ( till you play them a tape recording )
Tom-Smothered in Ice again well at least Juneau is happy , I assume he's see's white and feels cold and he's right at home.At least you've had some quality time with your bride I aggree the "Ed Fitz" is his defacto standard always a fav no matter where you hear it.
I had though of using Pete for a narrator,but then who transaltes for him You see my problem it would be a third paid actor and would cut into our profits.Vito does not like thatWe could just hire Rowan Atkinson though to play Pete Mr Bean with the Black Bag Hmmmm a possible sequal at any rate.
I never rode or saw that set,I heard of the test between Niagara Falls and Toronto,you're right though I can't imagine their usufullness on the Corridor. The original though on them as I understood it was as captive use Montreal to Ottawa and Toronto to Ottawa,but they apparently didn't track well enough so they decided against the purchase or lease of them.
CM3-So missed the ice and slop , never a bad thing.I must protest at playing Boris's favourite clogging song though,think of the damage you doing to the hardwood floors.
Good Morning Barkeep and all present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. After all the weather service's predictions of the "end of civilization as we know it," you guessed it! Nothing happened. A wedge of dry air between here and roughly Charlotte, NC, appeared, pushed all the bad stuff north and there it sits - the rest of WV is getting pounded as is PA and further north and its just cloudy and well above freezing here. We also had a change of plans (boss is on the DL, so here we are.
Thought for the day; "Beauty is in the Eye of the Beerholder."
Some of you remember back in the day when the jukebox was stocked with some fine pieces of country music - well, Boris tells me that there is a new set of songs loaded up (in more ways than one), so here are a few to get us going this morning.
Let's see, we'll begin with a real tear-jerker, "All The Guys That Turn Me On Turn Me Down," followed by "Hog Sloppin' Time in the Holler," then we'll play "I Bought the Shoes That Walked Out on Me," after that how about one of the track gang's most requested tunes, "Hand Me the Pool Cue and Call Yourself an Ambulance," and one of Boris's all-time cloggin' favorites, "Get Off the Stove Grandma, You're too Old to Ride the Range."
Let's see what else is happening today.
Rob - Thanks for the comments and the T&NO and TH&B pictures.
DD1 was in with general comments and data - good to hear from you.
Pete was here with comments and info.
Nick - Excellent menu, sir!
Eric - High Green and the Barkpeelers is about the B&M as I mentioned. The author combined B&M terms. The first one relates to signals. Many of their signals were (are) three light searchlight signals which display different color combinations. Green on top with reds underneath means clear, thus the tern "high green." You still hear this.
One of my favorites was yellow-green-red which was known as "pickle in the middle with the mustard on top." Lot's of other similar phrases were used as mnemonics for rule book exams. I know, Boris, the C&O signals are different.
"Barkpeelers" refers to the folks who ran up in New Hampshire and point north - there was (and still is) a lot of logging and timbering, thus the term "barkpeelers." For those interested, see if you can find a copy of a book titled Tall Tees and Tough Men. Fascinating stuff about logging in the north country. Bar towel, please - I'm getting all homesick.
OSP - Gordon Lightfoot - I dug out my CD as I had not listened to any of his material in a long time - one of my favorites, sir. Good work on Father Corby - interesting character - look for him (very briefly) in Gettysburg. You obvioulsly have electric which is good.
For all - As for the links - they were working yesterday when I posted them - I get the same messages this a.m. when I checked them after seeing that you could not find them.
However, when I did a Dogpile search under Pennsylvania Railroad Altoona shops, I found them and they worked - so I suggest you try that avenue - I don't post stuff w/o checking it - so I have no idea what the !@#$ is happening. This stuff is great when it runs.
Friday's Grin
Reason "things" happen!
Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
And it's here - Friday - the end of this 4-day work week <for many>! Anyway, things ‘round here have been a bit on the strange side - so I'm pleased to see another week pass along . . .
Second day of complete icing . . . bride's been "off" for two days, which is GREAT! About 2 inches of it - sleeting, snowing, 'n icing right now . . . (Fri - 8:30 AM)
Coffee ‘n pastries are ready as are the breakfasts. So
Thursday - Feb 21st: <all times Central standard>
Page 187 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 10:03 AM: Last we saw you was on Friday of last week - so for us, that's a loooooooong absence. But your Email "note" was accepted ‘n you reamin in good graces. <back off Boris, he's still one of us!>
When you're here in May - be sure to take a look at our modest CD collection of music from the Maritimes . . . all good stuff, fer sure, fer sure!
Links to peruse with reference to your "quiz" . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Corby
http://www.nd.edu/~observer/09272001/News/5.html
Had some difficulty loading those links . . . will try later. <groan>
THANX for noticing the GG1 . . .
Many thanx for that fine < I3 > Post, quarters ‘n ROUND!
Page 187 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 1:48 ‘n 1:57 PM: Taking the last - first: an interesting threesome of fotos . . . The more I see those steamers, the more I like ‘em . . . <grin> Awesome beasts they were.
That wide-page-phenom "thing" seems to be more ‘puter related than site. For example, I can get the problem on one ‘puter, but not on the other here at home. Probably has something to do with the settings - but I'll be if I know which one(s) to fool with. So, I'm not messing with things that are working fine right now . . . <uh oh>
Two days in a row where you've NOT USED THE REFRESH feature! You're really flirting with the <tweeter> . . . No mercy next time.
Appears as if you've mustered up the crew ‘n then some for that "production" of the "Black Bag." Should pack the Emporium - if not for the laffs alone! <grin> Perhaps you should have the film makers consider using Wolfman for the narration - after all, it is HIS story . . .
Did you see the FlexLiner back in 1997 when it was up your way The trainset we had here in Missouri still had the outline of the "VIA" markings . . . As I mentioned in a previous Post, it wasn't a bad ride - just not for long distances. I believe VIA used it in the Corridor . . . that would be a bit too long if one were to stay aboard from Toronto to Montréal for example; and totally out of the question if from Windsor to Québec City <yikes>. . .
Edmond Fitzgerald is Gordon's ‘standard' . . . he's got so many, many fine tunes, but that one surely put him "international."
Thanx for the visits ‘n pint!
Page 187 - Ron (DD1) at 4:55 PM: And the ‘puter virus-stricken Southern Gentleman down in Mississippi returned to the bar!
Looks like a potpourri of events for "my year" - 1938. Nice effort . . .
Visit ‘n ROUND appreciated!
Hello Tom and all in
I see Nick laid on a splendid spread last night.
I think I'm too early for the pastries, I'll just wait till they are ready, then I'll have a selection please.
Tom - I quite agree with your comments on the acceptable distance available for travel in DMU type vehicles - unfortunately they have got more and more popular here for longer and longer trips. Their lighter weight makes less track wear and as rail freight is (in the great scheme of things) very small in the UK the ability to cut wear is attractive to the track owners. Of course this is at the expense of passenger comfort - but hey - who cares about that!
I really would like to sample Budd RDC travel!
CM3 - hope the Icestorm didn't cause too much disruption!
Rob - interesting additional comments in relation to end of Canadian Steam - good to read, also observations on under floor diesel units I would entirely agree with. Thanks for posting the North Bay steam loco picture, it is of course the loco I saw on my ONR trip last year. The consolidation No 103 looks in very good external condition
ERIC - yes - the chess and monopoly boards on the GC trains are a novel feature. They have spent a lot fixing them up but they say they are going to order new trains built in China to start running in 2011 - I'll believe it when I see it but I don't know why they will bother to do that. They only run a few services a day. I ought to sample them but it will require a special journey as they do not stop there service near where I live.
"Sometimes animals are smarter than people" - well, some animals are smarter than some people all the time!
Pete - that is Crich all right - no doubt about it.
Could it be Blackpool Corp Transport No 167 tram:
http://www.tramway.co.uk/smx/cms/tramfleet/
I agree about people in North America thinking we are Aussies. Happens to me too - I think it is probably because chaps like you and me don't sound like the Royal Family - which might be the popular idea of an English Accent.
I certainly agree with your Harwich route - strange thing is I have no recollection of travllign that way, and on my rail map of the UK - where I highlight routes I've travelled over (in daylight hours) I've never recorded that route. Maybe I juts forgot about it!
Finally - I think we can surmise that following recent discussion of Fidel Castro's US train travel (prompted by Mike's Vintage pics) - Castro himself must have been calling in to Our Place and decided it was time to retire, throw in the towel and ride the rails (if not Amtrak, possibly VIA?).
Meanwhile I thought regulars would also really enjoy this article I saw today - Cuban EMU units - I never knew about that!:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/feb/21/cuba.railtravel?page=all
"The train is electric, a marvel of its time and the only one of its type in Cuba. It is made up of three dusty green carriages, built in Spain in 1945, with a driver´s cabin at each end, and is more like an old city tram than a train"
Cheerio
DL
Good morning Captain Tom and all present!!
Leon, tonight I would like to try one of Nick's specials, Welsh black steak cuts, please! A cold Tui will be fine.
A number of interesting visits here today! Let's see.
DL – Congratulations to the 3700th post!!!Interesting pictures of the Grand Central trains! I noticed that all tables are ready for the passengers to play chess or Monopoly! Never seen that in a train before.Tom – It would be very hard for me to get enough time for a visit to the bar in the AM hours as it is now. If I get a chance I will stop by. I am looking forward to the next S-gauge layout installment! Our dog, Taylor, and the cats get along very well. We didn’t have to learn them how to get along, they just did it from the beginning. Sometimes animals are smarter than people. Taylor lives in her own little heated and air conditioned house on the porch and is a very good watchdog. Except when there is a thunderstorm going on. Thanks for the link to the music video! A lot of interesting old photos!CM3 – You are right about trouble starting a train in the fall when the rails are slippery. I remember the very first day I worked as an engineer after finishing my training. It was in mid October and I had stopped at a station with a passenger train. I had one electric Class Rc4 (basically the same as AEM-7) hauling 8 passengers cars, so it was a fairly light train. From the station the line was slightly uphill for about two miles. When I finally made it to the top the speed of the train was about 15 mph and I had used almost all the sand to keep it going. High Green and the Barkpeelers was a strange title for a railroad book. The links did not work for me. The first one could not be found and the second one showed up as a plain blue page with some decorations on the left side. Rob – The photo of the old streetcar was taken at Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA, south east of Los Angeles. See link.http://www.oerm.org/Thanks for the clarification why Stratford shops were closed so early. Also thanks for the photos of those two good looking locomotives! The top one looks a little bit more modern in my eyes!Ron – Sorry to hear about your computer troubles.A number of interesting things took place 1938! Pike’s Peak Cog Railway and the first rack railcar for instance. And the steam speed record was set that year when the Mallard locomotive reached 126 mph. Pike’s Peak Cog Railway at the top of Pike’s Peak.Pete – You better stay inside considering what kind of weather you have. I prefer thunderstorms. We had a lot of lightning last night. Two storms after each other. But no ice!!!Nice photos! Are the Deltics still in service or is there just a preserved one left?Nick – Glad you didn’t have only fish on the menu tonight! Welsh black steak cuts sounds good! Eric
Good evening Leon,the house is packed and H&H are waiting tables ,wow and what wonderfull smells are emminating from the kitchen as well,that or Boris finally put clean socks on.I'll need to sample the fare and have a couple rounds of Guiness I think
Nick-Good to see an actual menu,not a moment to soon as well H&H have been getting quite lax with the mushy peas lately,no Boris it's not supposed to be chocolate flavoured that's exlax<sheesh> back to your shed take the critters with you as well,all but spike as he and your infaltables don't get on to well together besides all the track gangs have muddy boots and could use a good scrapping.Yes you can give him some extra pine chips.
Ron-Aren't computers just grand Still good read the rail events of 1938 were,thanks for the time put in producing that.
Pete-Excellant we have the bag on side now the preproduction can begin. there was talk about bringing in a Gucci handbag if it haddn't come onside.Couple grand photo's sir looks like that old Deltic was putting on quite a show.Does look like a shot from Critch as well, what a set up they have to be sure That tram looks to be German perhaps,I know Helga was looking longingly at it.
The sequin factory is just not the same , hey at least they were able to hire thier extra staff from those that were separated from their jobs after the Great Valentines night dust up over at the Second class.
You are right what a shame so many fine steamers scrapped out before their times guess I'll join you for a round of Darts in teh Patoot room,after steak lobster and guiness of coarse. Bring it on Helga medium with extra mushrooms and a nice lobster tail as well, no not your tail What will Nick think.
Good evening my dears--Anyone got the munchies ?-Thought it might be fun to cook tonight-Boris & Copperkettle both vanished as soon as I suggested it-which I will assume is a vote in favour,and H&H have gone upstairs to change into their Oktoberfest Biergarten serving outfits-which I will also take as a vote in favour.........
So then...-lets roll up the sleeves and see whats here................................
.......HMMMMMMMMM-lucky I called into Mentor City fish market on the way here.......
O.K:- Tonight we have (drumroll......)
Starters-
baby peppers stuffed with crab meat ,roasted and served au gratin
chicken won-ton soup
smoked mackerel fillets with gooseberry sauce
Mains-
Darne of Cleddau Bass poached in rum,lime & ginger on a bed of pommes paille..
Jack Sound Lobster (trust me on this )-any way you want it.......
5 bean tortilla (v.spicy)with salad platter
Welsh black steak cuts :-12oz Sirloin,cooked to order,-served with double fried egg,onion rings,pork sausage,fried mushrooms,grilled tomatoes and home fries
or 4oz slices of fillet steak pan fried with button onions & mushrooms,cream and brandy & served on a bed of steamed green vegetables
"Pint of prawns"--A tankard of Dublin bay langoustine served with fresh baked rolls,new butter,lemon wedges,black pepper and worcester sauce
as to the dessert trolley H&H seem to have that under control--splendid-I can retire and cook-see you all soon.....
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