Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH, if you are still serving me.
RON Many thanks for the link to the Pablo Neuruda railway museum in Chile. They're some great videos well worth watching. The people at the museum must very proud in the appearance of the running steam locomotives. In one of the videos the whistle seems like the whistles of some of the locos in the UK. Liked the clip of the loco being turned as well. Thanks for sharing and the drink.
As you say when you visit a place after many years so much as changed that sometimes it makes one wish one had not gone back.
DL Many thanks to a link to David Shepherd' s paintings, That art school rejecting him, in the biography part of the link, is almost as bad as Decca rejecting the Beatles.
In the DVD are some of the colour sketches he painted at Nine Elms at the last days of Southern Region steam I think some were done in a very short time. If you do get the Railway Magazine and the free DVD let me know what you think. I have to play mine on the computer as our DVD player will not play it. I will look into one that will play Brit DVDs.
Thanks for the LT station links; they were built with some style. Really like the little shops built in to part of the building, especially the cafes.
Interesting links to what is going on with the Underground repairs. I wonder what would happen if one of the train operating companies went bust, I guess we know who would pay to keep the trains running.
I too have been lucky enough to ride on the Bullied coaches on the Bluebell Railway; I found them comfortable to ride in. Looking at the photos in your links it seems to me that a lot of their design was incorporated into the BR Mark I stock. The Mark Is gave a great deal of good service to BR over many years. We used to get some Bullied coaches through Rugby Central on some of the South Coast to North East trains.
CM3.Enjoyed reading about the Boston Subway, I felt I was lucky to have been able to ride the old cars on the Green line before they were withdrawn from service.
The name Black Prince was originally worn by a British Railways ‘Britannia, class Pacific. Mr. Shepherds other BR loco he named, The Green Knight this name was formerly carried by a BR Standard Class 5, which worked on the Southern region of BR.
LARS Seeing as you posted those wonderful London Underground Book covers I shall get those tapes back, besides RUTH as stopped serving me until I do and I hear LEON wants a word with me too.
I find those disused and abandoned stations on the London Underground a fascinating subject. I know Alan has been there looking for what remains some of the stations on the ground. To think it the beginnings The Metropolitan Railway worked the cut and cover lines with steam locomotives fitted with condensing apparatus, what the conditions must have been like is hard to imagine.. Many thanks for finding ans sharing those book covers
Love the term "Wrapped around the Axle" I had not heard it before
TOM Glad Juneau passed his fitness test with flying colors, ours is not too bad with the Vet, but there again ours is 15 pounds a lot different to 59.
You are right about the ones in Montreal who were, as you say, ‘ignorant', it is a shame that people WILL remember them, although in our case we had so many more people who were friendly and could not have done more for us. The worst thing to me is that the unfriendly ones we encountered were in positions that visitors to Montreal had to deal with. I found it very ironic while we were waiting for the plane home that on the TV at the airport, there was a item on it asking why there was less American tourists visiting Montreal. But as you say the overall time we were there was wonderful.
It was probably the same heavy rain we had here you had yesterday. I have been listening to the radio and my part of the Midlands has been getting heavy rain again
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This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!
Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays.
G'day Gents!
It's very hard to accept that we're into the "dog days" of July with temperatures this AM well below 70 (F) ‘n the anticipated high to be 82. Once the front arrived Thursday evening, things really cooled down ‘n here we are in San Diego-like temperatures! Love it.
Saturday means "kick back" day once the "chores" get take care of, that is! <grin> Begin the day with some freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, a couple of pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, and time permitting - order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast to go along with that 2nd mugga joe!
3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Chicago 2008: Here's what I know - Doug is supposed to announce the dates. We've narrowed it down to the month of May (after Mother's Day). He was given the info shortly after he requested it many weeks ago - so, the ball is in HIS court. <this in response to inquires by Email).
Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):
CM3 Shane at 8:21 AM Friday - July 20th: So THAT's what Matapédia means!
Shaved dog?!?! Juneau wouldn't have it, nope. Also, I'm not that certain he'd share the bottle for drinks at the bar! <grin>
Still amazed that there are those "out there" counting the BoSox out of it. My Gawd, how much over .500 does a team have to get? Answer: At least one more than the team behind!
Appears you took advantage of the public transit system up there in BahStun (Boston) - didja happen to note if the "Iron Horse" is still there???
Long live "traction orange"!
Thanx for the round, quarters ‘ chat!
Dan (DL-UK) at 8:58 AM ‘n 9:02 AM Friday - July 20th: Gotcha! Thanx for the clarification - had me concerned there for awhile! <grin> Next we'd be accused of having a coin operated coffee gadget! <yikes>
I'm going to have to look into how we get mail delivery from YOUR postal service! No fall issue of Classic Trains here <yet>. And I can only WISH for summer's end - can't come too soon for Moi. <grin>
Appears you "escaped" the five dollar mug of coffee! ou see, we charge five bucks for a solo mug o' Joe (or soft drink). However, when food is ordered with it, the drink is free. And should one spring for a round, then of course the coffee or soft drink isn't charged for. <phew> Rules, rules, rules . . .
Ron (DD1) at 12:29 PM Friday - July 20th: Some fine selections to treat your culinary desires, Mate! Made my mouth water just thinkin' about it . . . <grin>
You don't know how relevant that comment of yours is regarding how things CHANGE once you "go back." Living in the past is a great deal of fun when it comes to things like Classic Trains, sports memories ‘n old girl friends. However, physically going back to a place ALWAYS falls far short when it comes to the expectations that accompany such a visit.
Hope you're enjoying the material (narratives 'n fotos) being provided by the boyz at the bar! And we look forward to your next visit . . . Round appreciated!
Lars (LoveDomes) at 1:03 PM Friday - July 20th: Was beginning to wonder, but you made it ‘in"!
Most entertaining book covers for the London Underground - a subject we should consider for a "Tuesday Theme." Speaking of which, doesn't appear that the idea has caught the attention of too many of the guyz, so I'll do it once more - then let it "ride."
Email received ‘n resonded to - THANX!
Got a couple of fotos coming up that you'll have to check out! Monday is the resumption of the Canadian Rail Adventure "series"- gotta give myself a break. <phew> Glad you're enjoying the fotos . . .
Who disconnected the Penthouse Suite Surveillance ‘n Security System?!?!? <geesh>
Round, inclusiveness ‘n chat always appreciated!
Pete at 4:51 PM Friday - July 20th: A fine inclusive, informative ‘n interesting Post from our Bar Chandler, Wolfman Pete!
For the longest stretch of time, we ALWAYS found Montréal to be a great place
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!
Cindy my sweet, how good to see ya behind the bar <gotta watch that phrase!> ‘n it's the only way I KNOW it's Saturday! <grin> I think just a mugga Joe with a jolt should do me fine. Hmmmmm, perhaps a couple of crullers from the bakery case . . .
Ok, Boris - wind ‘er up. Let's feed the crittAHs. Tray o' seeds for Awk - saucer o' brine for Tex - bucket of ice cubes for Frostbite ‘n a field mouse for Artie <take him outside for that!> . And the small jar of pickled pig's feet is YOURS! And TWO chew bones for Juneau, who was "missed" last time! <uh oh>
A round for whenever we get a crowd ‘n the change is yours you loveRly thing!
Noted that wolfman Pete provided the final post for the day TWO TIMES in succession. We really do have a "swing" in participation, don't we?? No matter, as long as we've got a wake behind us should indicate we've got forward momentum. Just hope they aren't circular!! <uh oh>
For Pete: I'd say you've made the right move in getting those tapes back! Hardly something that one conferred with "trust" would do to shipmates. Can surely tell you're a land lubber. <geesh> We sailors surely watch one another's back, mate! Strongly urge that you reconsider these "ventures" in the future. <groan>
Idioms of the land, I guess. "Screwed into the overhead," is another one I like.
Enlighten me a bit regarding those London Underground unused stations. Were they abandoned in favor of newer ones?? Disrepair?? Areas no longer served?? All of the aforementioned?? Curious minds need to know! <grin>
I look at that somewhat similarly to abandoned RR right of way. Once abandoned, they never come back. Then the day comes along when someone with a "brilliant" notion decides that it would be "innovative" to run trains from A to Z . . . Oh the pain! <barf>
This day, I'm resurrecting something from my "bookend," BK (BudKarr). I miss the guy very much ‘n wonder if Lydia is no longer of this world. <sad> Anyway, in celebration of those two, here's an Encore from page 251 on February 19, 2006:
Good Morning Tom and fellow bar flies! Yes, it is me, and I am back up in Alberta, Canada with my gal all settled in for what we plan to be an even greater segment to our lives than what has gone before. Yes, I do know that the bar is CLOSED and I hope you will forgive the departure from what you expect on Sundays. I returned to the states later than expected - far later, but earlier in the week than planned. If you follow that. Got finished at the main office - put my papers in for retirement and bid farewell to one and all. They still think I will change my mind. Ha! Made it back to the mountain country on Thursday last, and finally decided to come up for air to see what is going on at my favorite bar. Appears that the personalities have changed some, as I am not seeing the familiar names in the summaries that I expected to see. So many, many pages to go through. I will ultimately get there, but it will take a bit of time. It was a long, long journey and one that taxed my ability to remain rational. Between business and my personal desires to get it over with, this last experience was one of the most arduous of my career, notwithstanding being shot at, shot and all of those nasty kinds of things that occur to people doing the things I have done in the past. Never again, no more, that is it for me. Now, I do not want to turn this into anything more than a simple greeting to those of you who remember me. If the bar was open today, I would most assuredly spring for the drinks. Tomorrow, as they say, is another day. So, that sack of foreign currency is sitting inside your box on the front porch. I like that spring loaded mechanism that locks it tight once something is placed within it. Where in the world did you come up with that contraption? I want to thank you, Captain Tom, for the email traffic. It was most comforting hearing from you and kept me thinking about that light at the end of the tunnel. Just was hoping it was not the headlight of an oncoming train!<smile> When you open up the bar in the morning, please have Boris ring that bell throughout the day as the drinks are on me and have him polish up that Reserved Stool - I expect to be using it a bit more frequently. BK
and from page 253 on February 23, 2006:
Good Early Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled! Got off to an early start up here in the high country where the air is fresh as can be and one simply gets invigorated at the sights and sounds of the Canadian Rockies! Absolutely a beautiful setting to spend our days! A bit early for me to imbibe in the spirits, but I will take one of those large mugs of hot coffee and a couple of those great looking turnovers from the pastry case. Apple will be fine, thank you! My readings are still rather far behind, but I am getting there. I am working my way backwards, which for some strange reason seems easier. Must be one of my idiosyncrasies or psychological mind games. At any rate, I appreciate the welcome back by those of you who remember me. It WAS indeed quite a long time away. I have been thinking about many things lately, some that have absolutely no bearing on what Captain Tom's bar is all about, which is the discussion of the Classic Trains with some humor thrown in. (Could have spelled that humour - but then perhaps Mr. Trolleyboy would get himself into a dither thinking that I just may be a REAL Canadian!) As told some pages back, my life has been one of privacy both on and off the job. What I did for a living has no place being bandied about here on the web, where one hardly knows who may be reading and for what purposes. So, in reference to a comment made by one of the guys - sorry, there will be no elaborations of what I did or any specifics regarding my recently concluded Marathon European trip. Trains! Well, believe it or not, I have begun to READ all about TRAINS. Picked up a few volumes while on the continent about European Railways and have also ordered several more regarding the classic passenger trains of North America (Canada & US). Sorry, but most things "south" of the US border do absolutely siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:30 PM This is ENCORE! Saturday - and - Photo Posting Day!Remember: "Our" Place is CLOSED on Sundays. G'day Gents!Thanx, Lars, for stopping by. Fine ENCORE! material - many of us miss our friends up in Alberta. On a brighter note - here's an ENCORE! from our Alaskan Rail Adventure in June 2006. This from Page 352 of the original Thread - Posted on June 11th, 2006.Some Pix from our recently concluded Alaska Rail Adventure! See Page 351 (near the top) for a few others. (1) AAR HQ at Anchorage Relocated from Seward in 1917. Short walk to downtown Anchorage. (2) AAR Depot at Anchorage Completed in 1942; expanded for additional office space in 1952. Short walk to downtown Anchorage. (3) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Girdwood to Seward, daily from May 13th to Sep 18th, 2006 (4) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage (5) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage (6) AAR Glacier Discovery at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Girdwood to Portage to Whittier, daily from May 20th to Sep 17th, 2006 (7) AAR Glacier Discovery at Anchorage (8) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Wasilla to Talkeetna to Denali to Fairbanks, daily from May 18th to Sep 17th, 2006 (9) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage (10) AAR Denali Star Gold Star Service car at Anchorage (11) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage (12) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage If you are browsing, how about letting the guys know that you've enjoyed their efforts! Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:34 PM Hi Tom and all.Taking a break from ‘honey dos' so a pint of Holden's Mild would go down a treat CINDY.MIKE Thanks for the links. It is good to see those locomotives in BR blue livery again.LARS All's well the tapes are back in safe hands so hopefully I shall be free from imminent attack from the Mascots, also I had noticed my pay ‘dipper' has disappeared.I have to admit I am not all that up on the London Underground, perhaps DL can help. I am sure NICK knows a fair bit about the system as well. As Tom says it would make a good Tuesday Theme. I think there was a lot of North American influence at the turn of the 1900s when the electrified deep level tubes were built and run with electric cars and locomotives.Many thanks for the encores from BK reading them makes one realize why he is so missed at the bar. Perhaps one day BK might call in the bar again his bar stool is waiting here if he does. I most certainly will join in with your toast.TOM Thanks for the kind words.Our Canadian Rail Adventure was indeed a wonderful experience. I would love to travel on the Chaleur again as long as it is still the Budd equipment and the great city of Halifax is certainly worthy of a longer visit. The bother we did have was very minor compared to the bonus we had with the Exporail Museum having a special day the day we visited and meeting the great volunteers there.Many thanks for the Alaska Rail Adventure photo Encore.I noticed the steam loco outside the Anchorage AAR depot. And the different consists of the three trains including the domes. Did you travel in the Gold Star Service Car and were you allowed on to the open balcony at the end. Great photo of the dome car next to the RDC. For my encore this week, it is a wonderfully evocative piece from CM3 on the NH from page 141 of the old Our Place. Good Morning All: Coffee, round and quarters as usual. Now we got MEC? Holy Cow! Since we are doing New Haven, today let's go to New Haven. This is excerpted from a longer piece in one of my notebooks. Apologies if we have run it before. Again, lots of what's mentioned in here is either gone or changed beyond recognition. Then on to New Haven. The train would approach the city on a fill that crossed over miles of swamps. This was leavened a little by a pair of short tunnels. We could see the mammoth Cedar Hill yard in the distance, dominated by its huge concrete coal dock. Here, truly, was the center of the New Haven. The double track main line passed close to the Cedar Hill departure yard, which was filled with all kinds of freight cars. The line from Hartford joined us and swept toward the New Haven station beneath a series of overpasses. We were under the wires now, which meant we were on the electrified portion of the New Haven. It was not uncommon to see three or more passenger trains moving at once, along with a freight train, and sometimes a switcher with a cut of cars. The postal facility just north and east of the station was always filled with mail cars, green cars from Railway Express and Railway Post Office cars; something I didn't see all that much in Boston, despite my encounters with the mail trains. We were getting closer now and the train was slowing. The New Haven station was a busy place as it handled lots of through trains and hordes of commuters. As I mentioned, we were now on the electrified part of the New Haven. Generally we changed from diesel to electric power at New Haven. Sometimes, though, we kept the same engines if we had FL9s for power and were going to Grand Central. The FL9s were hybrids what were diesels, but were also fitted to run off the third rail that was closer to New York. I have always liked electric locomotives. The New Haven, as befitted its history as the country's first major electrification, had a wonderful collection of electric engines that included everything from ancient so-called "Flatbottoms," to the gorgeous EP5 "Jets." A typical power change at New Haven went something like this. It's midmorning at New Haven on a cold day. The wind blows in from the harbor, and makes it seem even colder than it already is. A passenger train, from Boston, is about to arrive - we can see its headlight under the wires off to the north. The big Alco diesels slide by us and brake to a stop in a combination of sound of hissing air, ringing bells, and engine noise. It's going to get busy now, so we'd better stay out of the way. Men wheel carts of baggage and mail up the open doors of the head end cars. They're hurrying, as the train won't be here for very long. Farther back passengers are getting off the train and others are boarding. Car men are busily inspecting each car and the diner is getting refilled with water. siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:38 PM ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!at "Our" Place!We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre! . . . July 22nd thru 28th: Quigley Down Under (1990) Starring: Tom Selleck, Laura San Giacomo, Alan Rickman, Chris Haywood & Ron Haddrick - and - The Vikings (1958) Starring: Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis, Ernest Borgnine, Janet Leigh & James Donald. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Loco Boy Makes Good (1942)Quigley Down Under (1990)PLOT SUMMARY: Tom Selleck plays Matthew Quigley, the cowboy hero in this traditional Western, set very untraditionally in Australia. After some macho silliness in the opening minutes, the story settles into a surprisingly evocative tale of Quigley, a sharpshooter who had come to the country to work for a land baron (Alan Rickman) and who is on the mend after a brutal attack. In the company of a woman (Laura San Giacomo) abused by that same baron, Quigley gets his strength and his shooting skills back while healing in the midst of aboriginal people as well as some stunning Australian settings. Director Simon Wincer (Phar Lap) brings a lot of integrity to this rare horse opera from contemporary Hollywood. --Tom Keogh from: amazon.comThe Vikings (1958)PLOT SUMMARY: Kirk Douglas produced the trendsetting barbarian epic The Vikings and took the showiest, most aggressive role: lusty Viking prince Einar, the "only son in wedlock" of King Ragnar (a cackling, wild-eyed Ernest Borgnine). With jagged scars down his face and a milky-white blind eye that almost glows in his skull, Douglas has a rowdy time battling defiant slave Tony Curtis (the long-lost heir to the British throne) for the hand of the beautiful princess Janet Leigh. It's pure Hollywood hokum, sure, but spectacular hokum: the great cinematographer Jack Cardiff turns his Norway locations into a lush Valhalla on earth. Faced with an absurd story, journeyman director Richard Fleischer goes for the gusto in brawling Viking parties, furious sieges, and clanging broadsword battles. An enormous hit, the film spawned a huge wave of Viking movies, some perhaps smarter but none as much fun. --Sean Axmaker from: amazon.comSHORT: Loco Boy Makes Good (1942)PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry & Curly After being thrown out of their apartment, the Stooges try a new scam to gain some money: find a hotel, slip on a cake of soap, and sue the owners to get a huge settlement. In their attempts they come across an old lady hotel owner who is on the brink of losing her hotel if she doesn't pay the interest on her note. Taking pity on her, they immediately start fixing up the place, and go all out to impress important columnist Waldo Twitchell on opening night. from: threestooges.netSee y'all on Monday - Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Saturday, July 21, 2007 4:21 PM Hi Tom and All.Another Holden's please CINDY this time the Bitter and the Steak later.I see you posted this weeks films on at the Emporium just after I posted.I have not see Quigley Down Under but it sounds well worth watching, an Australian western. I have seen the Vikings, but quite a long time ago now, I had not realised it was made in 1958, and , of course, the Stooges.LARS mentioned old lines and this weeks photos from Alan are from an old trackbed in Devon England taken earlier this year. Brentnor old Southern station, on the right, behind the waiting room,is the Great Western trackbed, (the GW did not have a station here,)Looking away from Mary Tavy station GWR trackbed is below with the Southern trackbed up on the left.Tavistock viaduct looking towards Plymouth.The viaduct looking towards Okehampton and Tavistock station with houses built across the trackbed.Alan said apart from the houses there was not a lot of other building on the trackbed.The photos should enlarge.Pete. Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Saturday, July 21, 2007 7:13 PM Hi Tom and all,Set em` up Cindy, Tui`s all round please.Tom. You are so right about the time zone, here in NZ we are virtually on the international date line so we are 12hrs ahead of GMT, so each new day starts here! Great pics of your train room and layouts, you sure have packed a lot in! We are having a lot of grade [level] crossing accidents over here at the moment, 5 fatalities in the last month, which is a lot, there are barrier arms in the main centres but out in the country most crossings are marked with just the US X warning sign, some have flashing lights and bells like yours in the US. In the winter we also have a "sunstrike" problem in the early morning that could be a factor for drivers.Pete. Great pics on your posts. I have been through your hometown Rugby a few times, must have been on that train trip, plus I did go to see Rugby school once to see where Rugby football started. Gresley was way ahead of his time with rolling stock as you say, his articulated coaches were very innovative, and his Beaver-tail observation car for the "Coronation" consist was ultra modern for the UK in the 30`s. He also built the most powerful loco to run in Britain, the U1, which was a Garratt type 2-8-8-2, with a tractive effort of 72,940lb. By the way if you click on http://www.railfan-org..nz/ you will hear the NZ railways steam whistle.DL. I did get to ride in some of Bullieds coaches in the late 50`s early 60`s, I was stationed near Bude in Cornwall, and travelled on SR quite a lot from London, now you mention it the Mk1 BR coaches do have a matching look. If you look at his Leader loco it has a similar appearance to the ACE loco experiment in the US not long ago.Lars. Your book cover posts are great.Time is "tight" at the moment, so greetings to those of you I`ve not mentioned in this post.See ya, Allan Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:18 PM Hi Tom and all,Pete. Sorry mate, entered the wrong site address in the last post! The correct address is; http://www.railfan.org.nz/Enjoy, I have been to Glenbrook and rode behind the restored Mallet there.See ya, Allan siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 23, 2007 6:21 AM <w/permission: http://www.scenic-railroads.com/>A smile to begin the week! I'm as red as a sheet.<A Yogi-ism!>G'day Gents! Mid-continent USA in the summer can be intolerable - not so this year. Absolutely wunnerful temps [ yeah] as we begin this new work week <for many>.Coffee's fresh, hot ‘n ready! The Mentor Village Bakery case is fully stocked - and - our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts need orderin' . . . News from Phoenix: Spoke with Eric's bride ‘n she says he's doing well after his heart surgery (Thursday). Email sent to "Rendezvous bunch - plus 2." Here's to a speedy ‘n full recovery for our Resident Desert Swede! Just wonderin' - Where's Per Where's Nick Where's . . . . And for anyone who has been following this: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/07/21/via.htmlCustomer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:12 AM Saturday - July 21st: Many thanx for the morning visit. I recall when this day "belonged" to Rob ‘n Doug - then Rob began his disappearing acts, but Doug carried on. Now . . . . oh well, personal choice, eh Appears as if you've been able to <influence> our Bar Chandler regarding those tapes . . . Amsterdam indeed. <yikes> Two super-fine selections for ENCOREs! Always good to read the submissions from BK (BudKarr). Wouldn't it be great to have "The Three Horsemen" ride again Round appreciated! Pete (pwolfe) at 3:34 PM ‘n 4:21 PM Saturday - July 21st: Appears that we did indeed Post "on top" on one another. I used the "Refresh/Reload" right after mine - but didn't catch yours. Hmmmmmm - the anomalies of the Forums, eh It would be good to get Nick's "slant" on the Underground discussion. But alas, we haven't heard from him in weeks - so best not to get our hopes up. Ya know how it is with our wanderin' musician! I enjoyed digging up those Alaska Pix for the ENCORE! on Saturday. Makes me want to schedule another trip. To refresh your memory: Ours was indeed the Gold Star Service with the exclusive use of the UltraDome (double deck) car with the open end that was directly behind the baggage car. Upper deck was all reserved seating with amenities aplenty, whereas the lower level contained our private dining area. The adjacent car to the rear was a full-service diner for those traveling in the ARR coaches ‘n domes. The UltraDome cars at the rear of the consist were for the exclusive use of the cruise line passengers - with their own dining facilities as well.Always a pleasure to read ‘n re-read the musings of CM3 Shane (coalminer3). Nice choice for an ENCORE! We viewed "Quigly Down Under" (DVD) on Saturday night <first time for us> and it's really a good flick. A different twist on the same-ol, same-ol "good guy vs bad guys" western - but with a "twist." Most poignant fotos via your Mate, Alan. Thanx! Round, visit, discussion ‘n chat most appreciated! Allan (Gunneral) at 7:13 PM ‘n 11:18 PM Saturday - July 21st: Our Resident Down Under Connection has returned! I should make mention that I did receive your Email regarding the B'day Watch List ‘n am not sure if my reply to you ever got out. Anyway, next time I "run" the list - you'll be on it. THANX!! Happy Railroading! Siberianmo siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 23, 2007 9:00 AM G'day Gents! PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #44 <A form of this was initially Posted on Page 193 of the Original Thread>Here's something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection. Come to Arizona on the swift "Golden State" - the only streamliner direct to Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs Smooth-riding, luxurious - Southern Pacific-Rock Island's fast Golden State from Chicago via El Paso and Douglas is the only streamliner direct to Southern Arizon'a resort country and Palm Springs Pullman and reclining chair car. Moderate extra fare. Try this famous train on your next trip to Arizona or California. Through Pullmans from New York and St. Louis.P.S. Don't forget that our Sunset Limited (New Orleans-Los Angeles) also goes direct to Southern Arizona and Palm Springs. S*P The friendly Southern Pacific* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Enjoy! Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, July 23, 2007 9:53 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. Nice day here today - gas is at $2.95, and temps in the high 40s this a.m.Mike's here.TCA Connie - excellent!Then we have shots of LA - Packards and Caddies, and Plymouths - oh my! Starnge thing is you can see the mountains and surrounding sceneryThe shot of LAUPT with the streetcar in front shows a lot of what was involved with stringing wire around curves - take a look at it and you'll see why wire trains were kept busy.The F3 over the wall was a good one as well.The interior shouts of the station - check out the trai board and the sign for "The Challenger."Then we have all sorts of power out back.The cab forward and the railroad gun reminds me of the last darts tournament.The PA set had some good pictures as well. There are several interesting cars in that UP passenger train - the roof lines on the baggae cars give a clue as to car dates. The D&H PA at South Station is from when they ran in west side commuter service in Boston. This happened right after I relocated to WV. The shot at South Station shows what it looked like before they launched the big r/b project there. The tower controlled the interlocking plant at the station. Close by was signal bridge no. 7 with a forest of semaphores. The Post Office annex is the brick building behind the train. The other locomotive in the consist is an E8. The second D&H PA shot was made at Northup Avenue in Providence, RI. It's hard to say whether the PA was in service or en route to somewhere alse. The reason for this is that it kind of ratty looking and is behind a B&M switcher. There is a former New Haven GP9 barely visible behind the tank car. The NKP PA is at LaSalle St. station in Chicago. Used to go there to watch the Rock Island. The NH PA at Old Saybrook is in the as-delivered colors. See if OSP remembers the order of stations - New London, Old Saybrook, New Haven, Bridgeport, Stamford, 125th St., GCT-New York. Quick Boris, get him a shot of the good stuff!Also appreciated the UK pictures and the Bob and Ray material. Last - look at the closing pictures - how about that MKT unit!DD1 - Appreciated your comments on New York. As you know, it applies to just about any place when you have been gone for awhile. Meanwhile, how about a trip to the deli. We can meet Lars there.Lars ran the bookmobile again - Underground London looks like a good one.Briefly spotlighting sports in the sprotlight spotlight, the frenzy seems to have died down a little in Boston after they took three from the White Sox. All that matters is that I have one more run than the other guys in a game and that I am ½ game ahead at the end of the season. 21 runs against Tampa - hope the Giants do as well; let's eee that'd be three touchdowns and three PATs - not a bad day's work.Pete - "Wrapped around the axle" is something you here fairly often around here - generally applies to haulage-related problems. Thanks for the pictures which brought to mind some of the verses in "Drake's Drum."Allan stopped by - good to hear from you.OSP has provided lots of material. Passenger switching - not something you see anymore. As for the shaved dog - he needs it as it prevents hot spots. E-mail rec'd and than you. Quigley ran on one of our many cable movie channels just the other day. "Barbarian epic?" Is that Hollywood inside stuff for a Boris biopic? Also enjoyed the ARR shots and the SP material. Work safe LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Monday, July 23, 2007 10:42 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth my deAH you are the breath of fresh air that rekindles my desires in . . . A mugga Joe with a jolt, treats for the crittAHs, a round for the house, ‘n the change is yours! Of course Boris, you get the small jar of pickled pig's feet! <grin>An observation as I pulled into the front parking area. I saw a rather "used" pick-up pass by. It had West Virginia plates with "Almost Heaven" scrawled across the tail gate in some sort of script. Also a bumper sticker that read, "You can't drive a railroad spike with a tack hammer." Figured it must've been CM3 Shane - BUT - he didn't stop here! Went on down the dirt road into the lumber yard. Hmmmmmm. That's a first - not stopping at "Our" Place first thing. Hmmmmmmm.Thanks to our Cap'n for the "heads up" email about our friend, Eric. Surely hope all turns out well. These things are far less worrisome than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Not that any heart surgery is routine, surely don't mean that. Just that the medical people have gotten it perfected. Best in terms of recovery to the Night Owl from Phoenix! A fine weekend ‘round the Larsman hut as we pretty much spent it doing nothing. No "visitors," as in neighbors, friends or family, just us. Worked out well - no talk of "shopping," either! Began checking out the basement to see what the feasibility is for a model railroad. Figured I could drag out those Lionel ‘n Gilbert American Flyer trains to at least get ‘em up ‘n running. I like the idea that our Cap'n came up with for that "hoist system." If you will, Tom, please send me an email with details (web site, etc.). The idea wouldn't be anything more than perhaps a 4x8 ft oval within an oval. Something just to watch ‘em run ‘round ‘n ‘round. Well, there's time - so we'll see where this goes. Not the busiest of times, although it's good to see that two of our newest customers seem to have latched on. Appreciate the presence of Ron down in Mississippi ‘n Allan way down in New Zealand! <grin> Then of course our Bar Chandler held up the late PM "slot" for Friday ‘n Saturday, which helped greatly. Many thanks to all as it is what keeps us afloat. I see Da Bossman has come up with a Nostalgia "trip' for us with his Southern Pacific advertisement. So, here's a bit of supplemental ‘stuff' to go along with it!The RI / SP Golden State passenger train makes a station stop in Palm Springs, California in 1948. (Fair Use - wikipedia.com)Southern Pacific Railroad EMD E7 diesel locomotive #6001 in Golden State paint, photographed at Carrizozo, New Mexico, September 22, 1947 by Otto Perry. (wikipedia.com)1951 SP Golden State ad (wikipedia.com)Ah ah! I see CM3 Shane has made his morning visit, and a fine one indeed! Wherever you were, it must've "worked." <grin> Just odd seeing our Oldest Continuing Bar Fly (OCBF) pass us by . . . <did I get that right??>Anytime you wanna connect at a "deli," let me know. We can discuss things like how it takes a full game difference to claim title to first place in a division. Half-games require something else, which I think is a one game winnAH take all. Or maybe those idiotic "tie breakers." Anyway . . . always can gin up some sports tAWk . . .That flick, "The Vikings," wasn't received quite the same in our "squarehead" community as perhaps in others. Hollywood was "alive 'n well" back then too, with many liberties taken with their version of "history." But then, this was simply a story with all kinds of "celebraties" getting into the act. <barf> But it did have some good moments . . . Some rather good "stuff" available from other sources if one has interest in Vikings. There's a documentary 'n another movie with the same title, I think. Maybe something for the Emporium.Ruth, if you have a minute, there's some <ahem> admin matters that need attending to. Boris, keep an eye on things, willya?? <that's pretty much all a Cyclops can do, huh??>Until the next time! Lars Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 23, 2007 11:49 AM Good morning Tom and all hands. It's 1100 hours central daylight time here in Ms. Choice of drink all around of course. I must say I enjoy looking at all the pictures that have been posted. With a love of trains, one can never get enough. As you might have guessed, I'm kind of into unusual trains, like camelbacks and electrics. It was interesting to me to learn that some of the trackage in the UK was a four rail system, using two rails between the running rails for pick-up and return. Maybe DL can explain the why of this system and why not just a single rail with the running rails as the return, as is common for most third rail systems. I remember when purists used to slam Lionel for their non-prototype center third rail track system. Maybe most didn't realize some European railways used a central third rail system. I know it for sure, but not able to place my finger on it at the moment. I think it's in one of my coffee table railroad books. Another one is the "snap track". When I was working in New London, I walked along the right-of-way of the former NYNH&H and saw sections of track that had been pulled up and stacked along side the ROW, ties still attached to rails. They looked just like model "snap track". Too bad I didn't take pictures. It's great these days what with digital cameras and cell phone cameras that we always have a means to take a picture of something interesting at any time. Remember what people used to say!? "If only I had a camera". Although I don't have a camera phone, I keep my digital camera handy everywhere I go. To tell you the truth, I'm not a travelling type of person. I don't mind travelling somewhere, but I want to stay there for a good length of time. No "Cook's tour" for me and of course, I don't like airplanes. Although I like to see steam in action, diesels sort of leave me cold. Electrics are my first love. I guess if you were to ask me what my favorite railroad is, I would say the LIRR followed by the Pennsylvania. The Pennsy being dead, that leaves the LIRR. I have been doing some research on the LIRR and did you know it is the longest existing railroad still operating on the original charter? To this day, the LIRR serves the needs of commuters like no other means of transportation. It is an indispensible line and will probably be in service long after we are all gone. When I lived on Long Island, commuting by automobile was totally out of the question. Commutes of 5 or more hours are common if one chooses to do so. As long as road traffic is as it is in the larger cities, there will always be a place for the commuter rail system. Sorry for the long rant. I have been cooking corn beef for years and now think I can cook one that rivals the Stage Delicatessin. P.S. I heard the Carnegi Deli was now the top deli. Have a good one. Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 23, 2007 12:16 PM Hi Allan, I just watched the two videos from your link. Diana is a beautiful engine and looks like they keep her in good condition. I noticed the cow catchers on the rear of the tender and the tank engine. I'm guessing they spend much time running in reverse (Lack of a turntable maybe?) Is that 3'-6" gauge? Anyway, I fully enjoyed the videos. Edit siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Monday, July 23, 2007 2:23 PM G'day Gents!The VIA Rail journey to Gaspé, Quebéc aboard the "Chaleur" continues: The journey resumed at 09:30 as we headed up the Gaspé Peninsula in the darkening skies ‘n rain. Much of what we saw was so shrouded in fog ‘n low ceiling along with the light rain, that it's hardly worth Posting. However, I'll provide just a few, for y'all to get the "flavor."There's more to this story, but it will be told in segments, as the fotos progress on!Pix from Day Five: Monday - May 28th, 2007 - aboard VIA Rail's CHALEUR in Quebec, Canada: <fotos taken from 09:15 on . . . >Skyline dome car(1) Forward portion is the lower lounge - aft is the dining area.(2)(3)Baggage car(4) Separated trains, heading in different directions!(5)Adieu, l'océan, don't know when I'll see ya again in daylight! (6) Heading up to Gaspé along Chaleur Bay.(7) (8) (9) (10) To be continued . . .Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Monday, July 23, 2007 6:20 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Holden's Mild please RUTHALLAN Thanks for the kind words.I must admit I have never been inside Rugby School. I know before the last Rugby Union World Cup a lot of Rugby fans from all over the world visited the school to see the birthplace of the game. Was anything said to you in NZ when England won it.One of Gresley's Beaver Observation Cars has been restored and is now run now and then on the preserved Great Central Railway. I believe it is in the modified condition it was used by BR in 1950s on the West Highland Line in Scotland. Another Beaver Tail is being restored to the Coronation condition.The Gresley ‘Garrett was a mighty locomotive, it was used for a short while,banking the Lickey Incline, at the same time as the ex Midland Railway 0-10-0 ‘Big Bertha' which spent its whole career banking the Lickey.Many thanks for the Link to the Glenbrook Vintage Railway; I tried the first link, thanks for the new link. It looks a great preserved line, I really like the way the train stopped at the workshop so people could have a look round at the other locomotives, something that is not allowed anymore at some preservation railways in the UK. The two locomotives on the video look superb, a great tribute to the volunteers on the railway.Have you still got any of your spotting books from the UK.CM3 Thanks for details on the photos in Mike's links.Glad you liked the photos, I had a look at Drake's Drum it was good to read it again.LARS Glad you escaped the shopping this weekend.I turned on the radio on the computer earlier today and guess what, John Denver's Almost Heaven was playing.It will be good to hear updates on the American Flyer layout in the basement, many thanks for the ‘Golden State' photos and advert.RON Thanks for the drink.I hope DL can shed a bit more light on the London Undergrounds fourth rail. I believe the live rail is outside of the right hand running rail, and the center rail is for the negative return of the current, which as you say is usually returned through the running rails. I am sure I read somewhere that the 4th rail was to protect sewer and water pipes etc from damage from stray electric currants.I enjoyed reading about the LIRR I am sure Lars and Tom will have some comments, it would make a good theme day. TOM Thanks for the news of ERIC. I would like to join LARS and yourself in wishing Eric a speedy recovery.That is good news of the VIA Rail strike being called off, thanks for the link, I see another item in the link was the severe flooding that is affecting England, with the worse not expected, in some areas until tomorrow.The UltraDome was certainly the way to travel on the ARR, with that great scenery. I guess the Gold Star Service sells out pretty quickly on those trains. I meant to ask does, that RDC in the consist, carry passengers.I glad you enjoyed the Quigley Down Under DVD; it sounds a film I would likeThat is a very sobering link to the grade crossings and the accidents on them, but I don't think there were many that were caused because there was a mechanical problem with the warning barriers or lights.Many thanks for the SP ‘Golden State' nostalgia, I liked the attractive first Golden State Drumhead.The more I see the ‘Chaleur' photos the more I think I shall have to go back some day.. Despite the poor light the photos have come out great DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:30 AM Hello Tom and all inFull breakfast for me please, yep - and with some of that fresh brewed coffee please. Was that a coffee machine coin in the slot vending machine salesman I just saw leaving the establishment? I guess he made a wasted journey!!!A few recent posts demand comment so here goes.Tom - Thanks for posting the news from Eric. Sounds more serious than he put it himself, but we all wish him well of course.Ron mentioned rail fanning in the UK - yes it certainly does have a good base here still, although the younger generation are open to the same distractions as in North America. Mind you my 4 year old nephew has been taken to his local steam centre recently and there was no holding him back! (Maybe it's genetic?). I've noticed in the US and Canada when checking newsagents for magazines a good number of them are actually British railway magazines that are on sale!You asked about the 4 rail system - as far as I know this only on the London Underground and in that respect is unusual. Pete answered this with more info that I knew but I looked this up and here is a FAQ on it from the excellent London transport Museum (that is one great museum in central London so the website is well worth exploring)http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/research/faqs/13.shtmlRon, you also mentioned your interest in electric locos - I thought you'd like this link:http://www.aclocogroup.co.uk/This group has preserved at least one example of all the UK AC electric loco designs - most dating fro the early 1960s but some later models. They are based not too far from me but I've never visited their site (an old Roundhouse) - but it is on my list of things to do. I guess you are quite far from the sparks in MS?Lars - you mentioned the design and presentation on the Underground - this dates from the 1930s when the system was unified under the control of a chap named Frank Pick - he put a lot of store behind top quality design and employed the architect Charles Holden to design a lot of station in what I would call a subdued Art Deco style - brick, concrete, glass and steel. As you say, presentation was key to his philosophy and we are lucky because it has left us with a legacy of high quality space.Here is some info. http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/learning/online_resources/ecobus_omnibus/pg/1919.htm#72Sadly, due to this financial mess they have got in the refurbishment of some of these stations will now almost certainly be postponed.Nice selection of related book covers too.Pete - you mentioned the problem of train operators going bust in the UK - and of course this is more or less what has happened with GNER due to Sea Containers who owned them getting into difficulties. The Government (ie taxpayer) is now meeting the costs prior to a new contractor being awarded in November - I'm sure the on board service quality (dining cars etc) will go down with that.I think you are right about the Mk1 coach design and Bullied influence - I'm not familiar enough with LMS and GWR designs to know what was the most influential. The rain situation has led to serious disasters in some parts - mostly Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Worcestershire (the rail lines north and south of Oxford are closed, as is the Cotswold route through Evesham - due to extreme flooding).Allan - Pete picked up on your point about the Beaver Tail observation car - I have visited this where it is undergoing restoration and I see it will be running this weekend. Scroll down for a picture of the one restored to 1950s style:http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/The second one is to be restored to 1930s style: http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/beaver.htmAnd these pics show the derelict condition it is in - apparently one individual has donated the money for the restoration! http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-1.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-4.jpgBy the way - it is sad that you can't even get to Bude by train now!Mike - great links - enjoyed the US ones but thanks for the BR era ones - sadly these loco hauled runs are now very rare and we have to put up with much more cramped railcars on many routes - those trains have some cars behind them and that is how it should be!RegardsDLPS Guys - after recent comments I put these links together esp for Lars - but occurs to me others might have use of them - I leave them here as a public service:http://www.harrods.com/Cultures/en-GB/Home/homepageindex.htmhttp://www.selfridges.com/http://www.liberty.co.uk/what_s_in_storehttp://www.galerieslafayette.com/magasin/home.do?f=votre_magasin&magasinid=39 siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:21 AM <w/permission: http://www.scenic-railroads.com/>G'day Gents! Some great news to begin the day! Spoke with Eric last evening - he's home from the hospital ‘n on the mend - triple by-pass surgery went well! Said he'll have lots of time on his hands for several weeks to come, so guess who will be back at the bar pretty soon?!!?! Good news all ‘round, eh Runnin' a bit behind - but what the heck, it's summertime! Temps are outstanding 'n this remarkable run of comfortable conditions continues . . . Petrol at $2.80 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner." Why am I pleased about THAT?!?!?The 2nd day of the work week <for many> ‘n it's time again to grab a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you're still hungry, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board! I should be wrapping up the Canadian Rail Adventure segment this week. And probably none too soon for some. Anyway, there's a wealth of fotos on this Thread covering many aspects of Classic Trains ‘n then some, far too many to chronicle. Surely is worth the while to check ‘em out, but of course that would mean going back to Page One. <phew>It always has "bugged" me how sometimes we may take the efforts of those who entertain us - for granted. Many THANX to all who've taken the time ‘n made the effort to Post Pix, not to mention the creativity that has gone along with so many of those wonderful Posts! A 5 Salute to YOU! Wonder if Per (marthastrainyard) down in Plano, Texas has been impacted by those floods???? Hope not . . . Was also wondering about Dan (DL-UK) ‘n the continuing flooding in the UK.Customer ACKNOWLEDGMENTS (since my last narrative):CM3 Shane (coalminer3)at 9:53 AM Monday - July 24th: Man oh man, sure was surprised to see ya roll past the front doors yesterday. Wondered where you were goin' in such a hurry. <grin>Those movie reviews surely do evoke a thought or two, eh Well, the idea is to get the boyz interested - I don't compose ‘em, I just find ‘em. <grin> Run right over to the video rental joint - or in cases like mine, purchase the DVD. I think our library of VHS tapes ‘n DVDs have grown to a point where we should consider renting them out. <wow>Appears as if the BoSox are back on track, but my guess is the Globe up in the Bay State probably doesn't think so. Oh yes, methinks you gotta finish a full game "up" to win it. Half-games don't get it. Good start to the week - thanx for the quarters, round ‘n offerings! Pictures really do "tell" a story, eh Nice supplemental material for the Southern Pacific! Where IS West Coast S Dave when we need him???? Surely seems that everytime I do an SP "thing" - he never catches it. <groan>Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:42 AM Monday - July 24th: We had a rather nice ‘n solitary weekend as well. The bride worked out in her garden, I mended a fence, Juneau took it all in, ‘n life was (and is) good here in mid-continent USA. Weather in these parts has been terrific with temps so comfortable, it hardly seems like July. But - it ain't over YET! <groan>Your Email has been received ‘n responded to - thanx! I should go "public" with some of it. Regarding the 3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Chicago 2008: Here's what I know:(1) It is to take place in May.(2) Doug has offered to be the host.(3) Thus far we have 4 "definites," one "maybe" and one "I'd love to come, but . . . " for attendees.(4) Doug was provided with the input in early June from those planning to attend insofar as the choice of long weekends go. He hasn't responded - yet.(5) I am responsible for coordinating the planning.(6) Doug will put together the agenda.(7) WE are responsible for getting there ‘n having a great time! Planning will be deferred to Email with only the generalities Posted at the bar. Things have a way of getting lost, ignored, etc. here in the Ether. So, if anyone is interested in our Rendezvous, drop ME an Email and I'll add you to the list.The hoist system info is included within my Email, along with Pix (which were Posted over on the Original Thread) from my S-Capades layout in the development stage. Good luck! Many thanx for the visit, round ‘n helping to keep a smile on Ruth's pretty face! Ron (DD1) at 11:49 AM ‘n 12:16 PM Monday - Happy Railroading! Siberianmo coalminer3 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: WV 1,251 posts Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:13 AM Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Geez, a guy can't do anything in a small town w/o being spotted. I had to go to the yard to get replacement "winders." Had five "winders" installed at the house yesterday and are they ever getting wet this a.m. We have had continuous thunderstorms and heavy rain since abt. 5:30 a.m. - entrail readers last night said, "Slight chance of scattered showers." All I know is that the weather rock was wet when I brought it back inside this morning.Lars - Golden State material was good to see. The Sp had all sorts of colors on their E units. I should mention that Otto Perry is one of my favorite photographers. Sports talk over a sandwich and a cold one? Sounds good.DD1 - Appreciate your interest in electrics. I am an NYC devotee, but also an SPF which is why I appreciate your "name." Incidentally, have you seen the book Conquering Gotham? Good recounting of the building of Penn Station and associated systems. The Long Island Rail Road? Somewhere in my material I have an LIRR commemorative glass, complete with a picture of "Dashing Dan." Commemorative glasses at "Our Place" feature "Bulky Boris," and he's anything but dashing (both in appearance and speed afoot - sorta like the Red Sox outfield at times).The branch lines of the LIRR are fascinating to study, especially the stuff that's toward the far end of the Island such as the Montauk Branch. Your comments on snap track were interesting. Most places I have been around refer to it as "panel" track. Many work outfits carry it either on flat cars or in gons. Interesting to watch it being installed as it goes very quickly.Pete - "Almost Heaven" has a lot of geographical license, but it is a good tune. See if you can find one called "Coal Tattoo" which is much more descriptive of our part of WV. Artist is Billy Edd Wheeler.DL visited with some good links.Note to both of our UK connections - hope you are above the waterline. Pictures on news here have been sobering to say the least.OSP stopped by with another installment of his travelogue. Hope you were on the right train. It was very good to hear about Eric.Have you seen the HBO documentary on the Dodgers - fine material - check it out.You mentioned different gauges of track. Certain pieces of D&RG (and other railroads) track in Colorado come to mind where standard and narrow gauge rail were together. Also, in the southern US there were pieces of dual gauge track as well before it got standardized. Work safe siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:20 AM G'day Gents!Here's a Blast from the Past - an ENCORE! of a Tuesday Theme for the Day . . .<Initially Posted on Page 246 of the Original Thread>Now arriving on track #1 ..... Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Six Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds from other sources. Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway PART I of II Locale: Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas Reporting marks: ATSF Dates of operation: 1859 - 1995 Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge) Headquarters: Chicago, Illinois The Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway (AAR reporting mark ATSF), often abbreviated as Santa Fe, was one of the largest railroads in the United States. The company was first chartered in February 1859. Although the railway was named in part for the capital of New Mexico, its main line never reached there as the terrain made it too difficult to lay the necessary tracks (Santa Fe was ultimately served by a branch line from Lamy, New Mexico). The Santa Fe's first tracks reached the Kansas/Colorado state line in 1873, and connected to Pueblo, Colorado in 1876. In order to help fuel the railroad's profitability, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices and sold farm land from the land grants that the railroad was awarded by Congress; these new farms would create a demand for transportation (both freight and passenger service) that was, quite conveniently, offered by the Santa Fe. History Startup and initial growth Cyrus K. Holliday, the first president of the railroad. The railroad's charter, written single-handedly by Cyrus K. Holliday in January 1859, was approved by the state's governor on February 11 of that year as the Atchison and Topeka Railroad Company for the purpose of building a rail line from Topeka, Kansas, to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and then on to the Gulf of Mexico. On May 3, 1863, two years after Kansas gained statehood, the railroad changed names to more closely match the aspirations of its founder to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad. The railroad broke ground in Topeka on October 30, 1868 and started building westward where one of the first construction tasks was to cross the Kaw River. The first section of track opened on April 26, 1869 (less than a month prior to completion of the First Transcontinental Railroad) with special trains between Topeka and Pauline. The distance was only 6 miles (10 km), but the Wakarusa Creek Picnic Special train took passengers over the route for celebration in Pauline. Crews continued working westward, reaching Dodge City on September 5, 1872. With this connection, the Santa Fe was able to compete for cattle transportation with the Kansas Pacific Railway. Construction continued, and the Santa Fe opened the last section of track between Topeka and the Colorado/Kansas border on December 23, 1873. The Santa Fe's tracks reached Pueblo, Colorado on March 1, 1876. Serving Pueblo opened a number of new freight opportunities for the railroad as it now could haul coal from Colorado eastward. (copied from public domain) An ATSF passenger train in operation circa 1895. Building across Kansas and eastern Colorado may have been technologically simple as there weren't many large natural obstacles in the way (certainly not as many as the railroad was about to encounter further west), but the Santa Fe found it almost economically impossible because of the sparse population in the area. To combat this problem, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices in the area and vigorously promoted settlement across Kansas on the land that was granted to the railroad by Congress in 1863. The Santa Fe offered discounted passenger fares to anyone who travelled west on the railroad to inspect the land; if the land was subsequently purchased by the traveller, the railroad applied the passenger's ticket price toward the sale of the land. Now that the railroad had built across the plains and had a customer base providing income for the firm, it was time for the railroad to tackle the difficult terrain of the Rocky Mountains. Crossing the Rockies, competition with the Rio Grande Construction over the Rocky Mountains was slow, difficult and went as far as armed conflict with competitors such as the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad in Colorado and New Mexico, and after capturing Raton Pass, the Southern Pacific Railroad in Arizona and California. The troubles for the railroad were more than just skirmishes with competitors. In the late 1880s, George C. Magoun, who had worked his way to become Chairman of the Board of Directors for the railroad, was progressively losing his own health. In 1889 the railroad's stock price, which was closely linked in the public's eye with the successes of the railroad's chairman, fell from nearly $140 per share to around $20 per share. Magoun's health continued to deteriorate along with the stock price and Magoun died on December 20, 1893. The Santa Fe entered receivership three days later on December 23, 1893, with J. W. Reinhart, John J. McCook and Joseph C. Wilson appointed as receivers. Expansion through mergers A brief look at some key figures comparing the railroad's extent between 1870 and 1945 shows just how much the railroad had grown: ....................................................1870.....................1945 Gross operating revenue..................$182,580................$528,080,530 Total track length.............................62 miles (100 km).....13,115 miles (21,107 km) Freight carried.................................98,920 tons.............59,56 Happy Railroading! Siberianmo LoveDomes Member sinceJanuary 2006 From: northeast U.S. 1,225 posts Posted by LoveDomes on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:06 AM Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!Ruth, time for a bottle of Rhiengold. cold mug please. I'll pass on the lunch right now, but will enjoy basking in your sunshine glow! <blush>Boris, set the gang up with their treats this morning - the crittAHs are looking hungry! And after that, you may have the small jar of pickled pig's feet. Ring the bell for a round while you're at it. The change is for you my deAH! Sparse, but interesting material from the gang as we move into the week. That's great news about Eric and here I was just about to mail him a card. Guess I'll just send him an Email greeting now that's he's home. Thanks for the RENDEZVOUS update, was beginning to wonder . . . Also nice to know that Dan (DL-UK) is still with us, was wondering about those floods and his situation. How about the guy in Scotland - Jan Olov?? I read where Glasgow has been hit very hard. Although he didn't really stick around, perhaps it was because of the flooding. Don't know.Thanks for the Ashfield & Pick Url. I too got the "wide page thing" with your post. Looks to be that particular link causing it. Anyway, most interesting material and it all goes to my continuing education ‘round here. <grin>My guess is the form over function was a factor in designing the Underground entrances whereas in the states it was the opposite. Although now with more modern systems in place (Washington, DC comes to mind) some of those entry ways are works of art.We're no strangers to 3rd rail systems in this neck of the woods what with the subway system and our own electrified surface rail system (formerly S.I.R.T.). I'd rather see the 3rd rail than unsightly overhead wiring, any day.Really some fine pix continuing from our Mentor ‘n Cap'n - great work! Having to enhance these things on top of everything else involved with getting photos ready for posting is certainly above ‘n beyond "the call"!! LOVE those dome shots! 5- to our Cap'n! [tup ] Yeah, Shane, one just can't be in the vicinity of "Our" Place ‘n escape our "spotters" - Awk is perched atop the roof, dontchaknow!? Anyway, you were seen at another site B4 coming in for your daily! The "report" came to us pronto-quick. Figured there was something rather clandestine going on in that lumber yard . . . Gotta give credit where it's due - the Cap'n began the SP material with that fine Nostalgia post of his with drumheads. Mine was the supplement. But, glad you're enjoying the "stuff" . . . Looks like we're seeing some dialogue from our new friend Ron (DD1), down in Mississippi! Great to have you on board. See it isn't as difficult as it may have seemed to join in ‘round here! Pete, if I construct a layout in the basement, it will be for the Lionel AND American Flyer sets that have been boxed up for years. I'm still way off from seeing it done, but it is fun thinking ‘n planning . . . Tom's hoist system appears to be the way I'll go. We don't have that much floor space to free up, but I can surely find enough room to have it drop down for my infrequent use - then hoist away, ye hearties! <grin>By the way, you started something over on Tom's other thread - check it out! I see the Cap'n has dropped off his Santa Fe theme. Always a good read and a sure-fire reminder of better times. Why it wasn't that long back when we'd have at least 4 or 5 guys "chipping" in with material. Yes, those were good times at the bar. But as the Cap'n says, this is now and "We takes what we gets!"Some Santa Fe material you've seen B4, but it always looks GOOD! One more Ruth, then I'm skedaddling for the day as I hear my name being bellowed called! <ugh>Until the next time! [tupLars DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:09 AM Hello TomI'll have something off the lunch menu please, and a beer to go with it - thanks.Sorry about the wide page problem Tom, I reduced the size of those links but it maybe that one was still too long!Thanks for your comments CM3 - I'm well above the water line here but in the great scheme of things you don't have to go too far to find thousands of people who are not. My brother said he was 5m above the level of the River Thames in Oxfordshire and was getting worried, but he says the water levels have started to drop today (although more rain is forecast for 2 days time). They have had the army and the navy in to help the fire service prevent a power station flood out in one part of the flooded zone. The main problem seems to be the inability of the water courses to drain fast enough due to heavy down pours, together with reduced absorbancy of the land.Not sure when the railways will be re-opened in the areas concerened. Before I have to use them lets hope!DL Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:13 AM Good morning Tom and all hands, a cup of your strongest brew if you please. Your're welcome to join me if you can handle the strong stuff. I'm glad to hear Eric is on his way to recovery. I never had a triple bypass, but did have two stents inserted two years ago. We got to take better care of ourselves. For DL, thanks for the four rail link. That explained everything. Also I looked at the department store links for Harrods.Liberty, etc. I would not have thought a store with such a reputation, would be putting merchandise on sale. Must be a recent thing. It's like asking for a discount at Tiffany's. I was wondering what with the love of steam in the UK, how the railway fan was able to embrace electrics. For CM3, I grew up not far from the NYC trackage and for the early part of my life, watched in awe the NYC electrics pass by beneath the viaduct on Riverside Drive and 155th street. Later on after moving to Long Island, did the LIRR absorb my interest. Mike; Do you or anyone remember the big train wreck near the Ideal toy factory on Jamaica Avenue around 190th street? I think it was around 1953 or 4. Many people were killed in that wreck. Time sure flies when you're having fun, so sayonara for now. Edit DL - UK Member sinceAugust 2006 280 posts Posted by DL - UK on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:15 AM Hey Lars - I see you are just in as I posted that - come and have a beer whilst you peruse those 'special links' I posted for yer!!!Sorry about the wide page problem (I don't get it wide paged). By the way Tom, occasionaly I can look in (but not post) from another 'puter - I'm hoping to be able to do that - I think it will show the pics OK as I'm keen to see those Chaleur ones.CheersDL siberianmo Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Chesterfield, Missouri, USA 7,214 posts "Our" Place reborn! 3rd Year of adults 'n REAL Classic Trains in a special environment! Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:19 PM G'day Gents!I see we've had visits from CM3 Shane - Lars - Dan 'n Ron. Nice morning at the Tavern by the Tracks! The VIA Rail journey to Gaspé, Quebéc aboard the "Chaleur" continues:Now for the "other shoe" that must be dropped. About an hour or so after we got settled in the dome, rumors began spreading that the train wasn't going to continue on to Gaspé and that we'd be put aboard a bus. When I pursued this with the car attendants, they said our "Service Manager" would make an announcement to explain what was going on. That never happened. There's more to this story, but it will be told in segments, as the fotos progress on!Pix from Day Five: Monday - May 28th, 2007 - aboard VIA Rail's CHALEUR in Quebéc, Canada: <fotos taken from 09:30 on . . . >More views from the Skyline dome . . .(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) To be continued . . .Tom Happy Railroading! Siberianmo pwolfe Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: mid mo 1,054 posts Posted by pwolfe on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:15 PM Hi Tom and all.A pint of Kimberley Mild please RUTH.DL Many thanks for the links. That indeed is great London Transport museum in Central London,, if I remember right, it is next door to Convent Garden shops so the ladies can look at the shops while us men folk can spend more time in the museum, although when the bride to be was on one of her visits to England she was as interested in the LT museum as I was. I think the museum was about to be refurbished shortly after our visit.Yes the AC locomotive group have done well to save an example of each of the early AC locos,, it was a shame the early test loco E1000/E2001, which was converted from the Metropolitan Vickers gas turbine built for the Western Region,did not survive. I can remember E2001 being stored along side Rugby steam shed for quite a while in the late 1960s. Talking about stored withdrawn locomotives, I recall about the same time, there was several ex Metropolitan Railway/ London Transport, electric locomotives stored near the old loco testing station. I guess they were on their way to a scrapyard in the West Midlands, I guess someone must have taken a photo of them and knows where they were scrapped. but I cannot find out any info on them on the webIt is a shame the GNER got into trouble, as you say they ran a real quality service with their on-board staff being efficient and friendly, at least in my experience.Thanks for the ‘Beaver Tail' links. It shows the amount of work that it takes to get them back to their former glory. Will you be going to the GCR this weekend.Glad you are away from the Flooded area, and the rivers are going down. I heard that Rugby escaped the majority of the floods with places farther down stream of the River Avon being badly affected.I am sure LARS will enjoy the shopping links.CM3 I will have a look on the net and see if I can get to hear Coal Tattoo by Billy Edd Wheeler. Almost heaven was quite a bit hit in the UK.I have not been able to see much of the flooding on the TV. I read today that it is the worst since 1947. My hometown of Rugby used to be badly effected by flooding but they made improvements to the river and it is a lot better.LARS Totally agree with your comments to Tom on the Chaleur photos.Yes I meant to put an and between the Lionel and American Flyer. It seems with our basement it is one step forward and two back at the minute, I guess it will all come out right in the end. A hoist system would be the way to go for me as well.I had a look in at the other thread although I was having a problem with my photos on the puter yesterday. I will have another look.I agree with you about the third rail v overhead. I guess that is why I enjoy traveling on the ex Southern Region lines in England where it is third rail where it is electrified.Many thanks for the Santa Fe book covers, they do indeed look good. TOM That is great news about ERIC with him being back home again.I, for one, will be sad that our Canadian Rail Adventure photos will be finishing they will always be a reminder of a really great time.Thanks for the link to the Australian track gauges. It is good that they have an example of the triple-gauge track at the museum. Another thing that caught my attention in the link, was the length of that straight line of track, 297 miles.I didn't think there would be many spare seats on the Gold Star Service car. I bet it would be a great trip in the RDC as well.Many thanks for Santa Fe Railroad from Yesteryear Encore. Well worth reading again, wanswheel Member sinceNovember 2005 4,190 posts Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:28 PM Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the houseX2000 for the future world's oldest living Swedehttp://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/x/X2000_-_a_Washington_Union_Station_16MAR_1993.jpg.81724.jpgDutchess of Hamilton in Hartfordhttp://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/b/BS22010001.JPG.13176.jpgRon, I don't remember the 2nd crash of 1950 because I was a 3-year-old in Iowa then. We moved to Long Island in 1955, just in time to watch the Dodgers on the radio. Dad finally bought us a TV set in 1957, near the end of summer. Hotpoint portable, 17 inch screen.http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-lirr/lirr-0650-02-OL.jpghttp://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-lirr/lirr-0650-12a-OL.htmlDD1 pics http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/photos/DD-1-352-LICity-1950.jpghttp://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-350-MPShops-6-4-39.jpghttp://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-341-343-MPShops-8-26-39.jpghttp://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-356-SmokeWashr-MPShops-11-12-39.jpg 2 LIRR websites, both jampacked with pictureshttp://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrcontents.htmhttp://arrts-arrchives.com/After Nashville and Louisville, might as well put links to one more L&N train shed http://www.trainweb.org/hotrail/odd/unionstational2.jpg http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006022pv.jpg http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006021pv.jpg http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006009pv.jpg http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006020pv.jpg http://www.railpictures.net/images/s/SCL0301montgomeryALnov74.jpg.89987.jpghttp://www.railpictures.net/images/a/april15-2005-csx7872a-sharpened.jpg.49125.jpghttp://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/1606/lnsys.jpgJimmy Durante http://pro.corbis.com/images/BS001058.jpg?size=67&uid={782e040f-8fa4-4003-b80f-362b40534d23}http://pro.corbis.com/images/BS001060.jpg?size=67&uid={f8025bbb-e2ac-414f-a315-8ece017fff18}Triggerhttp://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c20000/3c28000/3c28500/3c28588v.jpgMike Gunneral Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: NZ 242 posts Posted by Gunneral on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:58 PM Hi Tom and all,Tui`s all round please barkeep.Tom. Where on earth did you dig up the Tui Beer sign? And, it`s got to be Santa Fe "All the Way" , great post.Mike. Saw your post just now, will have a look at your links ASAP! No doubt they will be VERY interesting.Am a bit pushed for time at the moment so will catch up with you all soon with answers to all your queries.See ya, Allan « First«54555657585960»Last » SUBSCRIBER & MEMBER LOGIN Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register FREE NEWSLETTER SIGNUP Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter Submit More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Thanx, Lars, for stopping by. Fine ENCORE! material - many of us miss our friends up in Alberta.
On a brighter note - here's an ENCORE! from our Alaskan Rail Adventure in June 2006. This from Page 352 of the original Thread - Posted on June 11th, 2006.
Some Pix from our recently concluded Alaska Rail Adventure! See Page 351 (near the top) for a few others. (1) AAR HQ at Anchorage Relocated from Seward in 1917. Short walk to downtown Anchorage. (2) AAR Depot at Anchorage Completed in 1942; expanded for additional office space in 1952. Short walk to downtown Anchorage. (3) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Girdwood to Seward, daily from May 13th to Sep 18th, 2006 (4) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage (5) AAR Coastal Classic at Anchorage (6) AAR Glacier Discovery at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Girdwood to Portage to Whittier, daily from May 20th to Sep 17th, 2006 (7) AAR Glacier Discovery at Anchorage (8) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage Runs from Anchorage to Wasilla to Talkeetna to Denali to Fairbanks, daily from May 18th to Sep 17th, 2006 (9) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage (10) AAR Denali Star Gold Star Service car at Anchorage (11) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage (12) AAR Denali Star at Anchorage If you are browsing, how about letting the guys know that you've enjoyed their efforts!
Taking a break from ‘honey dos' so a pint of Holden's Mild would go down a treat CINDY.
MIKE Thanks for the links. It is good to see those locomotives in BR blue livery again.
LARS All's well the tapes are back in safe hands so hopefully I shall be free from imminent attack from the Mascots, also I had noticed my pay ‘dipper' has disappeared.
I have to admit I am not all that up on the London Underground, perhaps DL can help. I am sure NICK knows a fair bit about the system as well. As Tom says it would make a good Tuesday Theme. I think there was a lot of North American influence at the turn of the 1900s when the electrified deep level tubes were built and run with electric cars and locomotives.
Many thanks for the encores from BK reading them makes one realize why he is so missed at the bar. Perhaps one day BK might call in the bar again his bar stool is waiting here if he does.
I most certainly will join in with your toast.
TOM Thanks for the kind words.
Our Canadian Rail Adventure was indeed a wonderful experience. I would love to travel on the Chaleur again as long as it is still the Budd equipment and the great city of Halifax is certainly worthy of a longer visit. The bother we did have was very minor compared to the bonus we had with the Exporail Museum having a special day the day we visited and meeting the great volunteers there.
Many thanks for the Alaska Rail Adventure photo Encore.
I noticed the steam loco outside the Anchorage AAR depot. And the different consists of the three trains including the domes. Did you travel in the Gold Star Service Car and were you allowed on to the open balcony at the end. Great photo of the dome car next to the RDC.
For my encore this week, it is a wonderfully evocative piece from CM3 on the NH from page 141 of the old Our Place.
Good Morning All: Coffee, round and quarters as usual. Now we got MEC? Holy Cow! Since we are doing New Haven, today let's go to New Haven. This is excerpted from a longer piece in one of my notebooks. Apologies if we have run it before. Again, lots of what's mentioned in here is either gone or changed beyond recognition. Then on to New Haven. The train would approach the city on a fill that crossed over miles of swamps. This was leavened a little by a pair of short tunnels. We could see the mammoth Cedar Hill yard in the distance, dominated by its huge concrete coal dock. Here, truly, was the center of the New Haven. The double track main line passed close to the Cedar Hill departure yard, which was filled with all kinds of freight cars. The line from Hartford joined us and swept toward the New Haven station beneath a series of overpasses. We were under the wires now, which meant we were on the electrified portion of the New Haven. It was not uncommon to see three or more passenger trains moving at once, along with a freight train, and sometimes a switcher with a cut of cars. The postal facility just north and east of the station was always filled with mail cars, green cars from Railway Express and Railway Post Office cars; something I didn't see all that much in Boston, despite my encounters with the mail trains. We were getting closer now and the train was slowing. The New Haven station was a busy place as it handled lots of through trains and hordes of commuters. As I mentioned, we were now on the electrified part of the New Haven. Generally we changed from diesel to electric power at New Haven. Sometimes, though, we kept the same engines if we had FL9s for power and were going to Grand Central. The FL9s were hybrids what were diesels, but were also fitted to run off the third rail that was closer to New York. I have always liked electric locomotives. The New Haven, as befitted its history as the country's first major electrification, had a wonderful collection of electric engines that included everything from ancient so-called "Flatbottoms," to the gorgeous EP5 "Jets." A typical power change at New Haven went something like this. It's midmorning at New Haven on a cold day. The wind blows in from the harbor, and makes it seem even colder than it already is. A passenger train, from Boston, is about to arrive - we can see its headlight under the wires off to the north. The big Alco diesels slide by us and brake to a stop in a combination of sound of hissing air, ringing bells, and engine noise. It's going to get busy now, so we'd better stay out of the way. Men wheel carts of baggage and mail up the open doors of the head end cars. They're hurrying, as the train won't be here for very long. Farther back passengers are getting off the train and others are boarding. Car men are busily inspecting each car and the diner is getting refilled with water.
ENCORE! Saturday ‘n Photo Posting Day!
at "Our" Place!
We are CLOSED on SUNDAYs!Starting Sunday at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . July 22nd thru 28th: Quigley Down Under (1990) Starring: Tom Selleck, Laura San Giacomo, Alan Rickman, Chris Haywood & Ron Haddrick - and - The Vikings (1958) Starring: Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis, Ernest Borgnine, Janet Leigh & James Donald. SHORT: The Three Stooges - Loco Boy Makes Good (1942)
Quigley Down Under (1990)
PLOT SUMMARY: Tom Selleck plays Matthew Quigley, the cowboy hero in this traditional Western, set very untraditionally in Australia. After some macho silliness in the opening minutes, the story settles into a surprisingly evocative tale of Quigley, a sharpshooter who had come to the country to work for a land baron (Alan Rickman) and who is on the mend after a brutal attack. In the company of a woman (Laura San Giacomo) abused by that same baron, Quigley gets his strength and his shooting skills back while healing in the midst of aboriginal people as well as some stunning Australian settings. Director Simon Wincer (Phar Lap) brings a lot of integrity to this rare horse opera from contemporary Hollywood. --Tom Keogh
Tom Selleck plays Matthew Quigley, the cowboy hero in this traditional Western, set very untraditionally in Australia. After some macho silliness in the opening minutes, the story settles into a surprisingly evocative tale of Quigley, a sharpshooter who had come to the country to work for a land baron (Alan Rickman) and who is on the mend after a brutal attack. In the company of a woman (Laura San Giacomo) abused by that same baron, Quigley gets his strength and his shooting skills back while healing in the midst of aboriginal people as well as some stunning Australian settings. Director Simon Wincer (Phar Lap) brings a lot of integrity to this rare horse opera from contemporary Hollywood. --Tom Keogh
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The Vikings (1958)
PLOT SUMMARY: Kirk Douglas produced the trendsetting barbarian epic The Vikings and took the showiest, most aggressive role: lusty Viking prince Einar, the "only son in wedlock" of King Ragnar (a cackling, wild-eyed Ernest Borgnine). With jagged scars down his face and a milky-white blind eye that almost glows in his skull, Douglas has a rowdy time battling defiant slave Tony Curtis (the long-lost heir to the British throne) for the hand of the beautiful princess Janet Leigh. It's pure Hollywood hokum, sure, but spectacular hokum: the great cinematographer Jack Cardiff turns his Norway locations into a lush Valhalla on earth. Faced with an absurd story, journeyman director Richard Fleischer goes for the gusto in brawling Viking parties, furious sieges, and clanging broadsword battles. An enormous hit, the film spawned a huge wave of Viking movies, some perhaps smarter but none as much fun. --Sean Axmaker
Kirk Douglas produced the trendsetting barbarian epic The Vikings and took the showiest, most aggressive role: lusty Viking prince Einar, the "only son in wedlock" of King Ragnar (a cackling, wild-eyed Ernest Borgnine). With jagged scars down his face and a milky-white blind eye that almost glows in his skull, Douglas has a rowdy time battling defiant slave Tony Curtis (the long-lost heir to the British throne) for the hand of the beautiful princess Janet Leigh. It's pure Hollywood hokum, sure, but spectacular hokum: the great cinematographer Jack Cardiff turns his Norway locations into a lush Valhalla on earth. Faced with an absurd story, journeyman director Richard Fleischer goes for the gusto in brawling Viking parties, furious sieges, and clanging broadsword battles. An enormous hit, the film spawned a huge wave of Viking movies, some perhaps smarter but none as much fun. --Sean Axmaker
SHORT: Loco Boy Makes Good (1942)PLOT SUMMARY: Featuring Moe, Larry & Curly After being thrown out of their apartment, the Stooges try a new scam to gain some money: find a hotel, slip on a cake of soap, and sue the owners to get a huge settlement. In their attempts they come across an old lady hotel owner who is on the brink of losing her hotel if she doesn't pay the interest on her note. Taking pity on her, they immediately start fixing up the place, and go all out to impress important columnist Waldo Twitchell on opening night.
After being thrown out of their apartment, the Stooges try a new scam to gain some money: find a hotel, slip on a cake of soap, and sue the owners to get a huge settlement. In their attempts they come across an old lady hotel owner who is on the brink of losing her hotel if she doesn't pay the interest on her note. Taking pity on her, they immediately start fixing up the place, and go all out to impress important columnist Waldo Twitchell on opening night.
from: threestooges.net
See y'all on Monday - Enjoy! Tom
Hi Tom and All.
Another Holden's please CINDY this time the Bitter and the Steak later.
I see you posted this weeks films on at the Emporium just after I posted.
I have not see Quigley Down Under but it sounds well worth watching, an Australian western. I have seen the Vikings, but quite a long time ago now, I had not realised it was made in 1958, and , of course, the Stooges.
LARS mentioned old lines and this weeks photos from Alan are from an old trackbed in Devon England taken earlier this year.
Brentnor old Southern station, on the right, behind the waiting room,is the Great Western trackbed, (the GW did not have a station here,)
Looking away from Mary Tavy station GWR trackbed is below with the Southern trackbed up on the left.
Tavistock viaduct looking towards Plymouth.
The viaduct looking towards Okehampton and Tavistock station with houses built across the trackbed.
Alan said apart from the houses there was not a lot of other building on the trackbed.
The photos should enlarge.
Pete.
Hi Tom and all,
Set em` up Cindy, Tui`s all round please.
Tom. You are so right about the time zone, here in NZ we are virtually on the international date line so we are 12hrs ahead of GMT, so each new day starts here! Great pics of your train room and layouts, you sure have packed a lot in! We are having a lot of grade [level] crossing accidents over here at the moment, 5 fatalities in the last month, which is a lot, there are barrier arms in the main centres but out in the country most crossings are marked with just the US X warning sign, some have flashing lights and bells like yours in the US. In the winter we also have a "sunstrike" problem in the early morning that could be a factor for drivers.
Pete. Great pics on your posts. I have been through your hometown Rugby a few times, must have been on that train trip, plus I did go to see Rugby school once to see where Rugby football started. Gresley was way ahead of his time with rolling stock as you say, his articulated coaches were very innovative, and his Beaver-tail observation car for the "Coronation" consist was ultra modern for the UK in the 30`s. He also built the most powerful loco to run in Britain, the U1, which was a Garratt type 2-8-8-2, with a tractive effort of 72,940lb. By the way if you click on http://www.railfan-org..nz/ you will hear the NZ railways steam whistle.
DL. I did get to ride in some of Bullieds coaches in the late 50`s early 60`s, I was stationed near Bude in Cornwall, and travelled on SR quite a lot from London, now you mention it the Mk1 BR coaches do have a matching look. If you look at his Leader loco it has a similar appearance to the ACE loco experiment in the US not long ago.
Lars. Your book cover posts are great.
Time is "tight" at the moment, so greetings to those of you I`ve not mentioned in this post.
See ya, Allan
Pete. Sorry mate, entered the wrong site address in the last post! The correct address is;
http://www.railfan.org.nz/
Enjoy, I have been to Glenbrook and rode behind the restored Mallet there.
A smile to begin the week!
I'm as red as a sheet.
<A Yogi-ism!>
Mid-continent USA in the summer can be intolerable - not so this year. Absolutely wunnerful temps [ yeah] as we begin this new work week <for many>.
Coffee's fresh, hot ‘n ready! The Mentor Village Bakery case is fully stocked - and - our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts need orderin' . . .
News from Phoenix: Spoke with Eric's bride ‘n she says he's doing well after his heart surgery (Thursday). Email sent to "Rendezvous bunch - plus 2." Here's to a speedy ‘n full recovery for our Resident Desert Swede!
Just wonderin' - Where's Per Where's Nick Where's . . . .
And for anyone who has been following this:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/07/21/via.html
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:12 AM Saturday - July 21st: Many thanx for the morning visit. I recall when this day "belonged" to Rob ‘n Doug - then Rob began his disappearing acts, but Doug carried on. Now . . . . oh well, personal choice, eh
Appears as if you've been able to <influence> our Bar Chandler regarding those tapes . . . Amsterdam indeed. <yikes>
Two super-fine selections for ENCOREs! Always good to read the submissions from BK (BudKarr). Wouldn't it be great to have "The Three Horsemen" ride again
Round appreciated!
Pete (pwolfe) at 3:34 PM ‘n 4:21 PM Saturday - July 21st: Appears that we did indeed Post "on top" on one another. I used the "Refresh/Reload" right after mine - but didn't catch yours. Hmmmmmm - the anomalies of the Forums, eh
It would be good to get Nick's "slant" on the Underground discussion. But alas, we haven't heard from him in weeks - so best not to get our hopes up. Ya know how it is with our wanderin' musician!
I enjoyed digging up those Alaska Pix for the ENCORE! on Saturday. Makes me want to schedule another trip.
To refresh your memory: Ours was indeed the Gold Star Service with the exclusive use of the UltraDome (double deck) car with the open end that was directly behind the baggage car. Upper deck was all reserved seating with amenities aplenty, whereas the lower level contained our private dining area. The adjacent car to the rear was a full-service diner for those traveling in the ARR coaches ‘n domes. The UltraDome cars at the rear of the consist were for the exclusive use of the cruise line passengers - with their own dining facilities as well.
Always a pleasure to read ‘n re-read the musings of CM3 Shane (coalminer3). Nice choice for an ENCORE!
We viewed "Quigly Down Under" (DVD) on Saturday night <first time for us> and it's really a good flick. A different twist on the same-ol, same-ol "good guy vs bad guys" western - but with a "twist."
Most poignant fotos via your Mate, Alan. Thanx!
Round, visit, discussion ‘n chat most appreciated!
Allan (Gunneral) at 7:13 PM ‘n 11:18 PM Saturday - July 21st: Our Resident Down Under Connection has returned! I should make mention that I did receive your Email regarding the B'day Watch List ‘n am not sure if my reply to you ever got out. Anyway, next time I "run" the list - you'll be on it. THANX!!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #44
<A form of this was initially Posted on Page 193 of the Original Thread>
Here's something to enjoy regarding the Southern Pacific (SP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.
Come to Arizona on the swift "Golden State"
- the only streamliner direct to Tucson, Phoenix, Palm Springs
Smooth-riding, luxurious - Southern Pacific-Rock Island's fast Golden State from Chicago via El Paso and Douglas is the only streamliner direct to Southern Arizon'a resort country and Palm Springs Pullman and reclining chair car. Moderate extra fare.
Try this famous train on your next trip to Arizona or California.
Through Pullmans from New York and St. Louis.
P.S. Don't forget that our Sunset Limited (New Orleans-Los Angeles) also goes direct to Southern Arizona and Palm Springs.
S*P The friendly Southern Pacific
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Enjoy! Tom
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. Nice day here today - gas is at $2.95, and temps in the high 40s this a.m.
Mike's here.
TCA Connie - excellent!
Then we have shots of LA - Packards and Caddies, and Plymouths - oh my! Starnge thing is you can see the mountains and surrounding scenery
The shot of LAUPT with the streetcar in front shows a lot of what was involved with stringing wire around curves - take a look at it and you'll see why wire trains were kept busy.
The F3 over the wall was a good one as well.
The interior shouts of the station - check out the trai board and the sign for "The Challenger."
Then we have all sorts of power out back.
The cab forward and the railroad gun reminds me of the last darts tournament.
The PA set had some good pictures as well. There are several interesting cars in that UP passenger train - the roof lines on the baggae cars give a clue as to car dates.
The D&H PA at South Station is from when they ran in west side commuter service in Boston. This happened right after I relocated to WV. The shot at South Station shows what it looked like before they launched the big r/b project there. The tower controlled the interlocking plant at the station. Close by was signal bridge no. 7 with a forest of semaphores. The Post Office annex is the brick building behind the train. The other locomotive in the consist is an E8. The second D&H PA shot was made at Northup Avenue in Providence, RI. It's hard to say whether the PA was in service or en route to somewhere alse. The reason for this is that it kind of ratty looking and is behind a B&M switcher. There is a former New Haven GP9 barely visible behind the tank car.
The NKP PA is at LaSalle St. station in Chicago. Used to go there to watch the Rock Island. The NH PA at Old Saybrook is in the as-delivered colors. See if OSP remembers the order of stations - New London, Old Saybrook, New Haven, Bridgeport, Stamford, 125th St., GCT-New York. Quick Boris, get him a shot of the good stuff!
Also appreciated the UK pictures and the Bob and Ray material. Last - look at the closing pictures - how about that MKT unit!
DD1 - Appreciated your comments on New York. As you know, it applies to just about any place when you have been gone for awhile. Meanwhile, how about a trip to the deli. We can meet Lars there.
Lars ran the bookmobile again - Underground London looks like a good one.
Briefly spotlighting sports in the sprotlight spotlight, the frenzy seems to have died down a little in Boston after they took three from the White Sox. All that matters is that I have one more run than the other guys in a game and that I am ½ game ahead at the end of the season. 21 runs against Tampa - hope the Giants do as well; let's eee that'd be three touchdowns and three PATs - not a bad day's work.
Pete - "Wrapped around the axle" is something you here fairly often around here - generally applies to haulage-related problems. Thanks for the pictures which brought to mind some of the verses in "Drake's Drum."
Allan stopped by - good to hear from you.
OSP has provided lots of material.
Passenger switching - not something you see anymore. As for the shaved dog - he needs it as it prevents hot spots. E-mail rec'd and than you. Quigley ran on one of our many cable movie channels just the other day. "Barbarian epic?" Is that Hollywood inside stuff for a Boris biopic? Also enjoyed the ARR shots and the SP material.
Work safe
Ruth my deAH you are the breath of fresh air that rekindles my desires in . . . A mugga Joe with a jolt, treats for the crittAHs, a round for the house, ‘n the change is yours! Of course Boris, you get the small jar of pickled pig's feet! <grin>
An observation as I pulled into the front parking area. I saw a rather "used" pick-up pass by. It had West Virginia plates with "Almost Heaven" scrawled across the tail gate in some sort of script. Also a bumper sticker that read, "You can't drive a railroad spike with a tack hammer." Figured it must've been CM3 Shane - BUT - he didn't stop here! Went on down the dirt road into the lumber yard. Hmmmmmm. That's a first - not stopping at "Our" Place first thing. Hmmmmmmm.
Thanks to our Cap'n for the "heads up" email about our friend, Eric. Surely hope all turns out well. These things are far less worrisome than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Not that any heart surgery is routine, surely don't mean that. Just that the medical people have gotten it perfected. Best in terms of recovery to the Night Owl from Phoenix!
A fine weekend ‘round the Larsman hut as we pretty much spent it doing nothing. No "visitors," as in neighbors, friends or family, just us. Worked out well - no talk of "shopping," either!
Began checking out the basement to see what the feasibility is for a model railroad. Figured I could drag out those Lionel ‘n Gilbert American Flyer trains to at least get ‘em up ‘n running. I like the idea that our Cap'n came up with for that "hoist system." If you will, Tom, please send me an email with details (web site, etc.).
The idea wouldn't be anything more than perhaps a 4x8 ft oval within an oval. Something just to watch ‘em run ‘round ‘n ‘round. Well, there's time - so we'll see where this goes.
Not the busiest of times, although it's good to see that two of our newest customers seem to have latched on. Appreciate the presence of Ron down in Mississippi ‘n Allan way down in New Zealand! <grin> Then of course our Bar Chandler held up the late PM "slot" for Friday ‘n Saturday, which helped greatly. Many thanks to all as it is what keeps us afloat.
I see Da Bossman has come up with a Nostalgia "trip' for us with his Southern Pacific advertisement. So, here's a bit of supplemental ‘stuff' to go along with it!
The RI / SP Golden State passenger train makes a station stop in Palm Springs, California in 1948. (Fair Use - wikipedia.com)
Southern Pacific Railroad EMD E7 diesel locomotive #6001 in Golden State paint, photographed at Carrizozo, New Mexico, September 22, 1947 by Otto Perry. (wikipedia.com)
1951 SP Golden State ad (wikipedia.com)
Ah ah! I see CM3 Shane has made his morning visit, and a fine one indeed! Wherever you were, it must've "worked." <grin> Just odd seeing our Oldest Continuing Bar Fly (OCBF) pass us by . . . <did I get that right??>
Anytime you wanna connect at a "deli," let me know. We can discuss things like how it takes a full game difference to claim title to first place in a division. Half-games require something else, which I think is a one game winnAH take all. Or maybe those idiotic "tie breakers." Anyway . . . always can gin up some sports tAWk . . .
That flick, "The Vikings," wasn't received quite the same in our "squarehead" community as perhaps in others. Hollywood was "alive 'n well" back then too, with many liberties taken with their version of "history." But then, this was simply a story with all kinds of "celebraties" getting into the act. <barf> But it did have some good moments . . . Some rather good "stuff" available from other sources if one has interest in Vikings. There's a documentary 'n another movie with the same title, I think. Maybe something for the Emporium.
Ruth, if you have a minute, there's some <ahem> admin matters that need attending to. Boris, keep an eye on things, willya?? <that's pretty much all a Cyclops can do, huh??>
Until the next time!
Lars
The VIA Rail journey to Gaspé, Quebéc aboard the "Chaleur" continues:
The journey resumed at 09:30 as we headed up the Gaspé Peninsula in the darkening skies ‘n rain.
Much of what we saw was so shrouded in fog ‘n low ceiling along with the light rain, that it's hardly worth Posting. However, I'll provide just a few, for y'all to get the "flavor."
There's more to this story, but it will be told in segments, as the fotos progress on!
Pix from Day Five: Monday - May 28th, 2007 - aboard VIA Rail's CHALEUR in Quebec, Canada: <fotos taken from 09:15 on . . . >
Skyline dome car
(1)
Forward portion is the lower lounge - aft is the dining area.
(2)
(3)
Baggage car
(4)
Separated trains, heading in different directions!
(5)
Adieu, l'océan, don't know when I'll see ya again in daylight!
(6)
Heading up to Gaspé along Chaleur Bay.
(7)
(8)
(9)
(10)
To be continued . . .
Tom
A pint of Holden's Mild please RUTH
ALLAN Thanks for the kind words.
I must admit I have never been inside Rugby School. I know before the last Rugby Union World Cup a lot of Rugby fans from all over the world visited the school to see the birthplace of the game. Was anything said to you in NZ when England won it.
One of Gresley's Beaver Observation Cars has been restored and is now run now and then on the preserved Great Central Railway. I believe it is in the modified condition it was used by BR in 1950s on the West Highland Line in Scotland. Another Beaver Tail is being restored to the Coronation condition.
The Gresley ‘Garrett was a mighty locomotive, it was used for a short while,banking the Lickey Incline, at the same time as the ex Midland Railway 0-10-0 ‘Big Bertha' which spent its whole career banking the Lickey.
Many thanks for the Link to the Glenbrook Vintage Railway; I tried the first link, thanks for the new link. It looks a great preserved line, I really like the way the train stopped at the workshop so people could have a look round at the other locomotives, something that is not allowed anymore at some preservation railways in the UK. The two locomotives on the video look superb, a great tribute to the volunteers on the railway.
Have you still got any of your spotting books from the UK.
CM3 Thanks for details on the photos in Mike's links.
Glad you liked the photos, I had a look at Drake's Drum it was good to read it again.
LARS Glad you escaped the shopping this weekend.
I turned on the radio on the computer earlier today and guess what, John Denver's Almost Heaven was playing.
It will be good to hear updates on the American Flyer layout in the basement, many thanks for the ‘Golden State' photos and advert.
RON Thanks for the drink.
I hope DL can shed a bit more light on the London Undergrounds fourth rail. I believe the live rail is outside of the right hand running rail, and the center rail is for the negative return of the current, which as you say is usually returned through the running rails. I am sure I read somewhere that the 4th rail was to protect sewer and water pipes etc from damage from stray electric currants.
I enjoyed reading about the LIRR I am sure Lars and Tom will have some comments, it would make a good theme day.
TOM Thanks for the news of ERIC. I would like to join LARS and yourself in wishing Eric a speedy recovery.
That is good news of the VIA Rail strike being called off, thanks for the link, I see another item in the link was the severe flooding that is affecting England, with the worse not expected, in some areas until tomorrow.
The UltraDome was certainly the way to travel on the ARR, with that great scenery. I guess the Gold Star Service sells out pretty quickly on those trains. I meant to ask does, that RDC in the consist, carry passengers.
I glad you enjoyed the Quigley Down Under DVD; it sounds a film I would like
That is a very sobering link to the grade crossings and the accidents on them, but I don't think there were many that were caused because there was a mechanical problem with the warning barriers or lights.
Many thanks for the SP ‘Golden State' nostalgia, I liked the attractive first Golden State Drumhead.
The more I see the ‘Chaleur' photos the more I think I shall have to go back some day.. Despite the poor light the photos have come out great
Hello Tom and all in
Full breakfast for me please, yep - and with some of that fresh brewed coffee please. Was that a coffee machine coin in the slot vending machine salesman I just saw leaving the establishment? I guess he made a wasted journey!!!
A few recent posts demand comment so here goes.
Tom - Thanks for posting the news from Eric. Sounds more serious than he put it himself, but we all wish him well of course.
Ron mentioned rail fanning in the UK - yes it certainly does have a good base here still, although the younger generation are open to the same distractions as in North America. Mind you my 4 year old nephew has been taken to his local steam centre recently and there was no holding him back! (Maybe it's genetic?). I've noticed in the US and Canada when checking newsagents for magazines a good number of them are actually British railway magazines that are on sale!
You asked about the 4 rail system - as far as I know this only on the London Underground and in that respect is unusual. Pete answered this with more info that I knew but I looked this up and here is a FAQ on it from the excellent London transport Museum (that is one great museum in central London so the website is well worth exploring)
http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/research/faqs/13.shtml
Ron, you also mentioned your interest in electric locos - I thought you'd like this link:
http://www.aclocogroup.co.uk/
This group has preserved at least one example of all the UK AC electric loco designs - most dating fro the early 1960s but some later models. They are based not too far from me but I've never visited their site (an old Roundhouse) - but it is on my list of things to do. I guess you are quite far from the sparks in MS?
Lars - you mentioned the design and presentation on the Underground - this dates from the 1930s when the system was unified under the control of a chap named Frank Pick - he put a lot of store behind top quality design and employed the architect Charles Holden to design a lot of station in what I would call a subdued Art Deco style - brick, concrete, glass and steel.
As you say, presentation was key to his philosophy and we are lucky because it has left us with a legacy of high quality space.
Here is some info.
http://www.ltmuseum.co.uk/learning/online_resources/ecobus_omnibus/pg/1919.htm#72
Sadly, due to this financial mess they have got in the refurbishment of some of these stations will now almost certainly be postponed.
Nice selection of related book covers too.
Pete - you mentioned the problem of train operators going bust in the UK - and of course this is more or less what has happened with GNER due to Sea Containers who owned them getting into difficulties. The Government (ie taxpayer) is now meeting the costs prior to a new contractor being awarded in November - I'm sure the on board service quality (dining cars etc) will go down with that.
I think you are right about the Mk1 coach design and Bullied influence - I'm not familiar enough with LMS and GWR designs to know what was the most influential.
The rain situation has led to serious disasters in some parts - mostly Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Worcestershire (the rail lines north and south of Oxford are closed, as is the Cotswold route through Evesham - due to extreme flooding).
Allan - Pete picked up on your point about the Beaver Tail observation car - I have visited this where it is undergoing restoration and I see it will be running this weekend. Scroll down for a picture of the one restored to 1950s style:
http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/
The second one is to be restored to 1930s style:
http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/beaver.htm
And these pics show the derelict condition it is in - apparently one individual has donated the money for the restoration!
http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/rvp_ltd@btinternet.com/images/1729-4.jpg
By the way - it is sad that you can't even get to Bude by train now!
Mike - great links - enjoyed the US ones but thanks for the BR era ones - sadly these loco hauled runs are now very rare and we have to put up with much more cramped railcars on many routes - those trains have some cars behind them and that is how it should be!
Regards
DL
PS Guys - after recent comments I put these links together esp for Lars - but occurs to me others might have use of them - I leave them here as a public service:
http://www.harrods.com/Cultures/en-GB/Home/homepageindex.htm
http://www.selfridges.com/
http://www.liberty.co.uk/what_s_in_store
http://www.galerieslafayette.com/magasin/home.do?f=votre_magasin&magasinid=39
Some great news to begin the day! Spoke with Eric last evening - he's home from the hospital ‘n on the mend - triple by-pass surgery went well! Said he'll have lots of time on his hands for several weeks to come, so guess who will be back at the bar pretty soon?!!?! Good news all ‘round, eh
Runnin' a bit behind - but what the heck, it's summertime! Temps are outstanding 'n this remarkable run of comfortable conditions continues . . . Petrol at $2.80 (rounded) up at "Collusion Corner." Why am I pleased about THAT?!?!?
The 2nd day of the work week <for many> ‘n it's time again to grab a mugga freshly ground ‘n brewed coffee, some pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and if you're still hungry, order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
I should be wrapping up the Canadian Rail Adventure segment this week. And probably none too soon for some. Anyway, there's a wealth of fotos on this Thread covering many aspects of Classic Trains ‘n then some, far too many to chronicle. Surely is worth the while to check ‘em out, but of course that would mean going back to Page One. <phew>
It always has "bugged" me how sometimes we may take the efforts of those who entertain us - for granted. Many THANX to all who've taken the time ‘n made the effort to Post Pix, not to mention the creativity that has gone along with so many of those wonderful Posts! A 5 Salute to YOU!
Wonder if Per (marthastrainyard) down in Plano, Texas has been impacted by those floods???? Hope not . . . Was also wondering about Dan (DL-UK) ‘n the continuing flooding in the UK.
CM3 Shane (coalminer3)at 9:53 AM Monday - July 24th: Man oh man, sure was surprised to see ya roll past the front doors yesterday. Wondered where you were goin' in such a hurry. <grin>
Those movie reviews surely do evoke a thought or two, eh Well, the idea is to get the boyz interested - I don't compose ‘em, I just find ‘em. <grin> Run right over to the video rental joint - or in cases like mine, purchase the DVD. I think our library of VHS tapes ‘n DVDs have grown to a point where we should consider renting them out. <wow>
Appears as if the BoSox are back on track, but my guess is the Globe up in the Bay State probably doesn't think so. Oh yes, methinks you gotta finish a full game "up" to win it. Half-games don't get it.
Good start to the week - thanx for the quarters, round ‘n offerings!
Pictures really do "tell" a story, eh Nice supplemental material for the Southern Pacific! Where IS West Coast S Dave when we need him???? Surely seems that everytime I do an SP "thing" - he never catches it. <groan>
Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:42 AM Monday - July 24th: We had a rather nice ‘n solitary weekend as well. The bride worked out in her garden, I mended a fence, Juneau took it all in, ‘n life was (and is) good here in mid-continent USA. Weather in these parts has been terrific with temps so comfortable, it hardly seems like July. But - it ain't over YET! <groan>
Your Email has been received ‘n responded to - thanx! I should go "public" with some of it.
Regarding the 3rd Annual "Our" Place Classic Trains Rendezvous in Chicago 2008:
Here's what I know:
(1) It is to take place in May.
(2) Doug has offered to be the host.
(3) Thus far we have 4 "definites," one "maybe" and one "I'd love to come, but . . . " for attendees.
(4) Doug was provided with the input in early June from those planning to attend insofar as the choice of long weekends go. He hasn't responded - yet.
(5) I am responsible for coordinating the planning.
(6) Doug will put together the agenda.
(7) WE are responsible for getting there ‘n having a great time!
Planning will be deferred to Email with only the generalities Posted at the bar. Things have a way of getting lost, ignored, etc. here in the Ether. So, if anyone is interested in our Rendezvous, drop ME an Email and I'll add you to the list.
The hoist system info is included within my Email, along with Pix (which were Posted over on the Original Thread) from my S-Capades layout in the development stage. Good luck!
Many thanx for the visit, round ‘n helping to keep a smile on Ruth's pretty face!
Ron (DD1) at 11:49 AM ‘n 12:16 PM Monday -
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.
Geez, a guy can't do anything in a small town w/o being spotted. I had to go to the yard to get replacement "winders." Had five "winders" installed at the house yesterday and are they ever getting wet this a.m. We have had continuous thunderstorms and heavy rain since abt. 5:30 a.m. - entrail readers last night said, "Slight chance of scattered showers." All I know is that the weather rock was wet when I brought it back inside this morning.
Lars - Golden State material was good to see. The Sp had all sorts of colors on their E units. I should mention that Otto Perry is one of my favorite photographers.
Sports talk over a sandwich and a cold one? Sounds good.
DD1 - Appreciate your interest in electrics. I am an NYC devotee, but also an SPF which is why I appreciate your "name." Incidentally, have you seen the book Conquering Gotham? Good recounting of the building of Penn Station and associated systems.
The Long Island Rail Road? Somewhere in my material I have an LIRR commemorative glass, complete with a picture of "Dashing Dan." Commemorative glasses at "Our Place" feature "Bulky Boris," and he's anything but dashing (both in appearance and speed afoot - sorta like the Red Sox outfield at times).
The branch lines of the LIRR are fascinating to study, especially the stuff that's toward the far end of the Island such as the Montauk Branch. Your comments on snap track were interesting. Most places I have been around refer to it as "panel" track.
Many work outfits carry it either on flat cars or in gons. Interesting to watch it being installed as it goes very quickly.
Pete - "Almost Heaven" has a lot of geographical license, but it is a good tune. See if you can find one called "Coal Tattoo" which is much more descriptive of our part of WV. Artist is Billy Edd Wheeler.
DL visited with some good links.
Note to both of our UK connections - hope you are above the waterline. Pictures on news here have been sobering to say the least.
OSP stopped by with another installment of his travelogue. Hope you were on the right train. It was very good to hear about Eric.
Have you seen the HBO documentary on the Dodgers - fine material - check it out.
You mentioned different gauges of track. Certain pieces of D&RG (and other railroads) track in Colorado come to mind where standard and narrow gauge rail were together. Also, in the southern US there were pieces of dual gauge track as well before it got standardized.
Here's a Blast from the Past - an ENCORE! of a Tuesday Theme for the Day . . .
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Now arriving on track #1 ..... Railroads from Yesteryear! Number Six
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Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway
PART I of II Locale: Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas Reporting marks: ATSF Dates of operation: 1859 - 1995 Track gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) (standard gauge) Headquarters: Chicago, Illinois The Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway (AAR reporting mark ATSF), often abbreviated as Santa Fe, was one of the largest railroads in the United States. The company was first chartered in February 1859. Although the railway was named in part for the capital of New Mexico, its main line never reached there as the terrain made it too difficult to lay the necessary tracks (Santa Fe was ultimately served by a branch line from Lamy, New Mexico). The Santa Fe's first tracks reached the Kansas/Colorado state line in 1873, and connected to Pueblo, Colorado in 1876. In order to help fuel the railroad's profitability, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices and sold farm land from the land grants that the railroad was awarded by Congress; these new farms would create a demand for transportation (both freight and passenger service) that was, quite conveniently, offered by the Santa Fe. History Startup and initial growth Cyrus K. Holliday, the first president of the railroad. The railroad's charter, written single-handedly by Cyrus K. Holliday in January 1859, was approved by the state's governor on February 11 of that year as the Atchison and Topeka Railroad Company for the purpose of building a rail line from Topeka, Kansas, to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and then on to the Gulf of Mexico. On May 3, 1863, two years after Kansas gained statehood, the railroad changed names to more closely match the aspirations of its founder to the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad. The railroad broke ground in Topeka on October 30, 1868 and started building westward where one of the first construction tasks was to cross the Kaw River. The first section of track opened on April 26, 1869 (less than a month prior to completion of the First Transcontinental Railroad) with special trains between Topeka and Pauline. The distance was only 6 miles (10 km), but the Wakarusa Creek Picnic Special train took passengers over the route for celebration in Pauline. Crews continued working westward, reaching Dodge City on September 5, 1872. With this connection, the Santa Fe was able to compete for cattle transportation with the Kansas Pacific Railway. Construction continued, and the Santa Fe opened the last section of track between Topeka and the Colorado/Kansas border on December 23, 1873. The Santa Fe's tracks reached Pueblo, Colorado on March 1, 1876. Serving Pueblo opened a number of new freight opportunities for the railroad as it now could haul coal from Colorado eastward. (copied from public domain) An ATSF passenger train in operation circa 1895. Building across Kansas and eastern Colorado may have been technologically simple as there weren't many large natural obstacles in the way (certainly not as many as the railroad was about to encounter further west), but the Santa Fe found it almost economically impossible because of the sparse population in the area. To combat this problem, the Santa Fe set up real estate offices in the area and vigorously promoted settlement across Kansas on the land that was granted to the railroad by Congress in 1863. The Santa Fe offered discounted passenger fares to anyone who travelled west on the railroad to inspect the land; if the land was subsequently purchased by the traveller, the railroad applied the passenger's ticket price toward the sale of the land. Now that the railroad had built across the plains and had a customer base providing income for the firm, it was time for the railroad to tackle the difficult terrain of the Rocky Mountains. Crossing the Rockies, competition with the Rio Grande Construction over the Rocky Mountains was slow, difficult and went as far as armed conflict with competitors such as the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad in Colorado and New Mexico, and after capturing Raton Pass, the Southern Pacific Railroad in Arizona and California. The troubles for the railroad were more than just skirmishes with competitors. In the late 1880s, George C. Magoun, who had worked his way to become Chairman of the Board of Directors for the railroad, was progressively losing his own health. In 1889 the railroad's stock price, which was closely linked in the public's eye with the successes of the railroad's chairman, fell from nearly $140 per share to around $20 per share. Magoun's health continued to deteriorate along with the stock price and Magoun died on December 20, 1893. The Santa Fe entered receivership three days later on December 23, 1893, with J. W. Reinhart, John J. McCook and Joseph C. Wilson appointed as receivers. Expansion through mergers A brief look at some key figures comparing the railroad's extent between 1870 and 1945 shows just how much the railroad had grown: ....................................................1870.....................1945 Gross operating revenue..................$182,580................$528,080,530 Total track length.............................62 miles (100 km).....13,115 miles (21,107 km) Freight carried.................................98,920 tons.............59,56
Ruth, time for a bottle of Rhiengold. cold mug please. I'll pass on the lunch right now, but will enjoy basking in your sunshine glow! <blush>
Boris, set the gang up with their treats this morning - the crittAHs are looking hungry! And after that, you may have the small jar of pickled pig's feet. Ring the bell for a round while you're at it. The change is for you my deAH!
Sparse, but interesting material from the gang as we move into the week.
That's great news about Eric and here I was just about to mail him a card. Guess I'll just send him an Email greeting now that's he's home.
Thanks for the RENDEZVOUS update, was beginning to wonder . . .
Also nice to know that Dan (DL-UK) is still with us, was wondering about those floods and his situation. How about the guy in Scotland - Jan Olov?? I read where Glasgow has been hit very hard. Although he didn't really stick around, perhaps it was because of the flooding. Don't know.
Thanks for the Ashfield & Pick Url. I too got the "wide page thing" with your post. Looks to be that particular link causing it. Anyway, most interesting material and it all goes to my continuing education ‘round here. <grin>
My guess is the form over function was a factor in designing the Underground entrances whereas in the states it was the opposite. Although now with more modern systems in place (Washington, DC comes to mind) some of those entry ways are works of art.
We're no strangers to 3rd rail systems in this neck of the woods what with the subway system and our own electrified surface rail system (formerly S.I.R.T.). I'd rather see the 3rd rail than unsightly overhead wiring, any day.
Really some fine pix continuing from our Mentor ‘n Cap'n - great work! Having to enhance these things on top of everything else involved with getting photos ready for posting is certainly above ‘n beyond "the call"!! LOVE those dome shots!
5- to our Cap'n! [tup ]
Yeah, Shane, one just can't be in the vicinity of "Our" Place ‘n escape our "spotters" - Awk is perched atop the roof, dontchaknow!? Anyway, you were seen at another site B4 coming in for your daily! The "report" came to us pronto-quick. Figured there was something rather clandestine going on in that lumber yard . . .
Gotta give credit where it's due - the Cap'n began the SP material with that fine Nostalgia post of his with drumheads. Mine was the supplement. But, glad you're enjoying the "stuff" . . .
Looks like we're seeing some dialogue from our new friend Ron (DD1), down in Mississippi! Great to have you on board. See it isn't as difficult as it may have seemed to join in ‘round here!
Pete, if I construct a layout in the basement, it will be for the Lionel AND American Flyer sets that have been boxed up for years. I'm still way off from seeing it done, but it is fun thinking ‘n planning . . . Tom's hoist system appears to be the way I'll go. We don't have that much floor space to free up, but I can surely find enough room to have it drop down for my infrequent use - then hoist away, ye hearties! <grin>
By the way, you started something over on Tom's other thread - check it out!
I see the Cap'n has dropped off his Santa Fe theme. Always a good read and a sure-fire reminder of better times. Why it wasn't that long back when we'd have at least 4 or 5 guys "chipping" in with material. Yes, those were good times at the bar. But as the Cap'n says, this is now and "We takes what we gets!"
Some Santa Fe material you've seen B4, but it always looks GOOD!
One more Ruth, then I'm skedaddling for the day as I hear my name being bellowed called! <ugh>
Until the next time! [tup
Hello Tom
I'll have something off the lunch menu please, and a beer to go with it - thanks.
Sorry about the wide page problem Tom, I reduced the size of those links but it maybe that one was still too long!
Thanks for your comments CM3 - I'm well above the water line here but in the great scheme of things you don't have to go too far to find thousands of people who are not. My brother said he was 5m above the level of the River Thames in Oxfordshire and was getting worried, but he says the water levels have started to drop today (although more rain is forecast for 2 days time). They have had the army and the navy in to help the fire service prevent a power station flood out in one part of the flooded zone. The main problem seems to be the inability of the water courses to drain fast enough due to heavy down pours, together with reduced absorbancy of the land.
Not sure when the railways will be re-opened in the areas concerened. Before I have to use them lets hope!
Hey Lars - I see you are just in as I posted that - come and have a beer whilst you peruse those 'special links' I posted for yer!!!
Sorry about the wide page problem (I don't get it wide paged).
By the way Tom, occasionaly I can look in (but not post) from another 'puter - I'm hoping to be able to do that - I think it will show the pics OK as I'm keen to see those Chaleur ones.
Cheers
I see we've had visits from CM3 Shane - Lars - Dan 'n Ron. Nice morning at the Tavern by the Tracks!
Now for the "other shoe" that must be dropped. About an hour or so after we got settled in the dome, rumors began spreading that the train wasn't going to continue on to Gaspé and that we'd be put aboard a bus. When I pursued this with the car attendants, they said our "Service Manager" would make an announcement to explain what was going on. That never happened.
Pix from Day Five: Monday - May 28th, 2007 - aboard VIA Rail's CHALEUR in Quebéc, Canada: <fotos taken from 09:30 on . . . >
More views from the Skyline dome . . .
A pint of Kimberley Mild please RUTH.
DL Many thanks for the links. That indeed is great London Transport museum in Central London,, if I remember right, it is next door to Convent Garden shops so the ladies can look at the shops while us men folk can spend more time in the museum, although when the bride to be was on one of her visits to England she was as interested in the LT museum as I was. I think the museum was about to be refurbished shortly after our visit.
Yes the AC locomotive group have done well to save an example of each of the early AC locos,, it was a shame the early test loco E1000/E2001, which was converted from the Metropolitan Vickers gas turbine built for the Western Region,did not survive. I can remember E2001 being stored along side Rugby steam shed for quite a while in the late 1960s.
Talking about stored withdrawn locomotives, I recall about the same time, there was several ex Metropolitan Railway/ London Transport, electric locomotives stored near the old loco testing station. I guess they were on their way to a scrapyard in the West Midlands, I guess someone must have taken a photo of them and knows where they were scrapped. but I cannot find out any info on them on the web
It is a shame the GNER got into trouble, as you say they ran a real quality service with their on-board staff being efficient and friendly, at least in my experience.
Thanks for the ‘Beaver Tail' links. It shows the amount of work that it takes to get them back to their former glory. Will you be going to the GCR this weekend.
Glad you are away from the Flooded area, and the rivers are going down. I heard that Rugby escaped the majority of the floods with places farther down stream of the River Avon being badly affected.
I am sure LARS will enjoy the shopping links.
CM3 I will have a look on the net and see if I can get to hear Coal Tattoo by Billy Edd Wheeler. Almost heaven was quite a bit hit in the UK.
I have not been able to see much of the flooding on the TV. I read today that it is the worst since 1947. My hometown of Rugby used to be badly effected by flooding but they made improvements to the river and it is a lot better.
LARS Totally agree with your comments to Tom on the Chaleur photos.
Yes I meant to put an and between the Lionel and American Flyer. It seems with our basement it is one step forward and two back at the minute, I guess it will all come out right in the end. A hoist system would be the way to go for me as well.
I had a look in at the other thread although I was having a problem with my photos on the puter yesterday. I will have another look.
I agree with you about the third rail v overhead. I guess that is why I enjoy traveling on the ex Southern Region lines in England where it is third rail where it is electrified.
Many thanks for the Santa Fe book covers, they do indeed look good.
TOM That is great news about ERIC with him being back home again.
I, for one, will be sad that our Canadian Rail Adventure photos will be finishing they will always be a reminder of a really great time.
Thanks for the link to the Australian track gauges. It is good that they have an example of the triple-gauge track at the museum. Another thing that caught my attention in the link, was the length of that straight line of track, 297 miles.
I didn't think there would be many spare seats on the Gold Star Service car. I bet it would be a great trip in the RDC as well.
Many thanks for Santa Fe Railroad from Yesteryear Encore. Well worth reading again,
X2000 for the future world's oldest living Swede
http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/x/X2000_-_a_Washington_Union_Station_16MAR_1993.jpg.81724.jpg
Dutchess of Hamilton in Hartford
http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/b/BS22010001.JPG.13176.jpg
Ron, I don't remember the 2nd crash of 1950 because I was a 3-year-old in Iowa then. We moved to Long Island in 1955, just in time to watch the Dodgers on the radio. Dad finally bought us a TV set in 1957, near the end of summer. Hotpoint portable, 17 inch screen.
http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-lirr/lirr-0650-02-OL.jpg
http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-lirr/lirr-0650-12a-OL.html
DD1 pics
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/photos/DD-1-352-LICity-1950.jpg
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-350-MPShops-6-4-39.jpg
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-341-343-MPShops-8-26-39.jpg
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/electric%20-%20mu/DD1-356-SmokeWashr-MPShops-11-12-39.jpg
2 LIRR websites, both jampacked with pictures
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirrcontents.htm
http://arrts-arrchives.com/
After Nashville and Louisville, might as well put links to one more L&N train shed
http://www.trainweb.org/hotrail/odd/unionstational2.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006022pv.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006021pv.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006009pv.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/al/al0600/al0667/photos/006020pv.jpg
http://www.railpictures.net/images/s/SCL0301montgomeryALnov74.jpg.89987.jpg
http://www.railpictures.net/images/a/april15-2005-csx7872a-sharpened.jpg.49125.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/1606/lnsys.jpg
http://pro.corbis.com/images/BS001058.jpg?size=67&uid={782e040f-8fa4-4003-b80f-362b40534d23}
http://pro.corbis.com/images/BS001060.jpg?size=67&uid={f8025bbb-e2ac-414f-a315-8ece017fff18}
Trigger
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c20000/3c28000/3c28500/3c28588v.jpg
Tui`s all round please barkeep.
Tom. Where on earth did you dig up the Tui Beer sign? And, it`s got to be Santa Fe "All the Way" , great post.
Mike. Saw your post just now, will have a look at your links ASAP! No doubt they will be VERY interesting.
Am a bit pushed for time at the moment so will catch up with you all soon with answers to all your queries.
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