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[siberianmo]

Great inputs from both! Thanx - Lars for the research on the name and Al for that all inclusive roster of NKPs streamliners. [tup][tup][tup]

See y'all at the bar!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Here's something you don't see everyday ....

Milwaukee Road Sky Tops (1948) (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Maybe this will kick-start some conversations on this rather blasé thread ... [swg]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

And another ......

Milwaukee Road Sky Top (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

And finally ........

Milwaukee Road #16 Gold Creek (1948)(courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Any takers[?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom

Now those are some interesting cars of the Milwaukee Road. I expect Al will pick up on these. Saw him on another thread, so perhaps he'll be along soon.

I dropped off my "contribution" over at the bar for the "Theme for the day!"

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Continuing with the diversity of Classic Trains, try this one:

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #54

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad (B&O) from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.

Your Holiday begins with ”all aboard”

* When your Diesel-Electric Baltimore & Ohio luxury train glides smoothly from the station, you’ll know your holiday has really started. Mile after mile, you’ll enjoy the thrill of modern rail travel . . . the extra measure of pleasure for which B&O is so well-known.

* Outstanding with “holidayers” is the friendly courtesy of B&O people. In big and little services, alike, you’ll constantly enjoy this warm hospitality . . . for courtesy is traditional on the B&O.

* And, when you visit B&O diners, you’re in for a real “holiday treat.” For, B&O is famous for its good food . . . prepared just the way you like it . . . at prices that are reasonable.

* Then, there’s B&O’s record for “on-time” dependability. Not only does B&O strive to make your travel time thoroughly enjoyable but it also makes a special point of seeing that you arrive at your destination on schedule!

* Yes, when you start your holiday with Baltimore & Ohio, the extra measure of pleasure given by such features as friendly courtesy, good food and “on-time” dependability will be proof why more and more travelers say:

NOW . . . AS ALWAYS – The B&O is the Way to Go!

. . . . . . . . . . BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

A guy comes home for a little break from the office and you have to put Milwaukee stramlined Observations pictures on the forum. So hope you enjoy the following.

CHICAGO
MILWAUKEE
ST. PAUL
&
PACIFIC Streamlined Observations
by Al

The Milwaukee Road owned eighteen streamlined Observations all but six constructed in their own Milwaukee, Wisconsin shops.
The streamlined Beavertail Observations a trademark of the Milwaukee Road before WW II, and the postwar Skytop Observations were unmistakably Milwaukee Road Observations. Pullman Standard constructed the only Milwaukee Road streamlined Observations with sleeping car accommodation. These six were built for the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA and all were later sold to the Canadian National after the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was discontinued.
Milwaukee Roads first two lightweight streamlined Beavertail Observations were completed in May 1935 and were the first of a very elite group of cars that would only ever number eight. There would be three different versions of these unique Beaver-tail Observations built and all three would be quite different, with each succeeding one an improvement in styling over the previous ones. The one feature all three versions shared was the sloping back from roof to frame.
The first two Beavertail Observations were initially assigned both numbers and names but the numbers were soon dropped. They were 4449 NOKOMIS and 4450 WENONAH. The rear of these two cars resembled the rear of a bus with their two triangular windows positioned in the sloping back. These windows were also quite small obviously not intended for passengers to look out of. Each car interior was made up of 21 Parlor seats and three lounge seats at the rear of the Beavertail facing forward. These cars were assigned to the first two six car HIAWATHAS inaugurated May 29, 1935 between Chicago and the Twin Cities.
As newer HIAWATHAS superseded the first HIAWATHA the two Observations were passed along to lesser HIAWATHAS. In 1952 in their birthplace shops the first two Beavertail Observations NOKOMIS and WENONAH were rebuilt to straight Express cars 1955 and 1956 respectively. This was a very sad ending for two such historical cars.

21 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 3 SEAT LOUNGE BEAVERTAIL OBSERVATIONS Milwaukee Road Shops May 1935 (Built for and assigned to first HIAWATHAS)

NOKOMIS

WENONAH

The second pair of streamlined Beavertail Observations were out shopped in Milwaukee in October 1936 to bring up the markers of two all new HIAWATHAS to replace the earlier 6 car HIAWATHA trains in service between Chicago and the Twin Cities.
The new nine car HIAWATHAS began service October 11, 1936. The two Beavertail Observations bringing up the markers were OMEME and OPECHEE. These two differed from the earlier NOKOMIS and WENONAH as they were longer and had four windows across the rear. The interiors of OMEME and OPECHEE offered 26 Parlor seats and a 12-seat lounge in the Observation end. Again none of the seating in this lounge area was suitable for viewing to the rear instead all seating in this area faced forward. The sloping rear was fitted with wings identical to those that were found on the last four Beavertail Observations built in September 1938. This was after they had been transferred to the MIDWEST HIAWATHA. The OMEME and OPECHEEE were to suffer the same fate as the two earlier Beavertail Observations in 1952 being rebuilt to express cars as the Milwaukee Road referred to Baggage cars and numbered 1957 and 1958 respectively.

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 12 SEAT BEAVERTAIL LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Beavertail) Milwaukee Road Shops October 1936 (Built for and assigned to HIAWATHAS)

OMEME

OPECHEE

For the final four Beavertail Observations the Milwaukee Road turned to famed industrial designer Otto Kuhler who designed the entire 1938 HIAWATHAS and whose redesign of the already famous Beavertail observations made them even more distinguishable from the previous cars of this type. Now across the rear of these distinctive cars were two large picture windows with three closely positioned stainless steel curved wings above the windows with a matching stainless steel curved vertical rudder between the windows and splitting the horizontal wings. The horizontal wings acted as a sunshade for the large picture windows. This was the final touch that was needed to really accent these beautiful cars. In 1942 Milwaukee Road Shops retrofitted identical wings and rudder to the older OMEME and OPECHEE. This greatly enhanced the appearance of these two cars as well. The first two of the new Beavertail Observations EARLING and MERRILL featured 28 Parlor seats and a 17 seat Lounge in the rear. But unlike the earlier Beavertail Observations lounge area this time their were eight of those seats facing aft so passengers could at last enjoy the scenery to the rear. These two Beavertail Observations entered service bringing up the markers of two all new HIAWATHAS September 19, 1938.
On January 21, 1939 these two train sets became the MORNING HIAWATHAS and on that same date two new trains with identical Beavertail Observations MILLER and MITCHELL entered service as the AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS. In 1941 both AFTERNOON HIAWATHA beavertail Observations were shopped having their interiors remodeled. Seven of the Parlor seats were removed near the front of these cars and a 5-seat Parlor Drawing room was installed complete with private bathroom annex. This reduced the open Parlor seating to 21.
In 1952 the EARLING and MERRILL became the third pair of Beavertail Observations to be rebuilt to straight Express cars and numbered 1959 and 1960.
MILLER and MITCHELL were retired and scrapped in their Milwaukee birthplace in 1961. Not a single example of these most distinctive Observations survived even in a museum for future generations to enjoy.

28 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 17 SEAT BEAVERTAIL LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS September 1938 (Built for and assigned to MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS)

EARLING

MERRILL

MILLER

MITCHELL

The unforgettable Brook Steven's designed streamlined Skytop Observations were constructed in the spring of 1948 by the Milwaukee Road shops to replace the four prewar Beavertail Observations EARLING, MERRILL, MILLER, and MITCHELL in MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHA service. These four cars were assigned numbers as well as names ending with RAPIDS. These were 186 CEDAR RAPIDS, 187 COON RAPIDS, 188 DELL RAPIDS and 189 PRIEST RAPIDS. Initially 186 CEDAR RAPIDS and 187 COON RAPIDS were assigned to the MORNING HIAWATHAS and 188 DELL RAPIDS and 189 PRIEST RAPIDS to the AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS.
All four were retired in 1971 with the coming of Amtrak. Car 189 PRIEST RAPIDS was scrapped in its Milwaukee birthplace. The other three were all saved. Car 186 CEDAR RAPIDS was restored and donated to the cars designer Brook Steven's. The remaining pair of Skytop Observations 187 COON RAPIDS and 188 DELL RAPIDS were sold to private owners where they too were restored to pristine condition.

5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 24 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 12 SEAT SKYTOP LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round Sloping Glass) Milwaukee Road Shops April - May 1948 (Built for and assigned to MORNING and AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS)

186 CEDAR RAPIDS

187 COON RAPIDS

188 DELL RAPIDS

189 PRIEST RAPIDS

The final six Streamlined Skytop Observations were built by Pullman Standard between November 1948 and January 1949, these six cars were easily distinguishable from the Milwaukee Road built Skytop Observations by their much larger glass enclosed lounge area. All six of the CREEK series Sleeper Lounge Skytop Observations entered OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA service beginning in December 1948 and the final car entered service in January 1949. They replaced heavyweight open platform Observations that had operated in there place pending delivery. Except for the new 10-6 sleeping cars and the 8 Double Bedroom 20 seat Skytop Lounge Observations the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS were streamlined in 1947. These cars were numbered as well as named and like many other Railroads for superstitious reasons they skipped the number 13. The cars were 12 ALDER CREEK, 14 ARROW CREEK, 15 COFFEE CREEK, 16 GOLD CREEK, 17 MARBLE CREEK and 18 SPANISH CREEK.
All six of these cars only saw limited service after the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was discontinued May 22, 1961. In 1967 all six were sold to the Canadian National for further service.

8 DOUBLE BEDROOM 20 SEAT SKYTOP LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard November 1948 - January 1949 Plan: 4138 Lot: 6775 (Built for and assigned to OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA)

12 ALDER CREEK

14 ARROW CREEK

15 COFFEE CREEK

16 GOLD CREEK

17 MARBLE CREEK

18 SPANISH CREEK

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Thanx Al! I appreciate your efforts and enjoyed the write-up on those Milwaukee Road rather unique observation cars.[tup][tup][tup]

The idea was to throw out the bait - and you bit into the hook![swg]

Suggest you Post your efforts over at the bar, let's say next Monday. I'll run the Pix for Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom

I knew Al would eventually surface![swg]

Here's a little more on the Milwaukee Road for those who follow these things:

Name Trains of the Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul, and Pacific (Milwaukee Road) (CMSP&P)

Afternoon Hiawatha
Chippewa
Olympian Hiawatha
Morning Hiawatha
Pioneer Limited
Southwest Limited

There it is - perhaps not as all inclusive as some would have it - but these are perhaps the best known.

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG #43

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Louisville & Nashville (L&N)

Headquarters: Louisville, KY

Mileage in 1950: 4,779

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 732

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 59,077
Passenger cars: 483

Principal lines in 1950:

Cincinnati-New Orleans via Louisville, Nashville, Lewisborg, TN & Birmingham
Nashville-St. Louis via Evansville, IN
Louisville-Evansville
Memphis Junction, KY (Bowling Green)-Memphis
Cincinnati-Atlanta via Knoxville, TN & Cartersville, GA
Flomaton, AL-Chattahoochie, FL
Anchorage-Hazard, KY via Lexington
Corbin-Baxter, KY
Lebanon Junction-Sinks, KY

Passenger trains of note:

Azalean (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point.
Crescent (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP.
Dixie Flagler (Chicago-Miami via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixie Flyer (Chicago-Florida via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixieland (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)
Flamingo (Cincinnati-Jacksonville via Corbin, KY)
Georgian (Chicago & St. Louis-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (New Orleans-Jacksonville; joint with ACL)
Humming Bird (Chicago & St. Louis & Cincinnati-New Orleans & Memphis; joint with Chicago & Eastern Illinois)
Pan-American (Cincinnati-Memphis & New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP)
Southland (Detroit-Florida via Louisville & Corbin)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom sorry i missed the B&O you posted earlier.

BALTIMORE
&
OHIO streamlined Observations
by AL

The B&O Railroads first two lightweight streamlined Observations are both covered in the Alton Chapter of the book.
The third Streamlined Observation to enter service was rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5325 and reconfigured by the roads St. Clare shops into a 24 seat Cocktail Lounge Bar 16 seat Lounge Observation and renumbered 3300. The rear of this car was squared off and three large windows for viewing the scenery were installed where a vestibule had once been. This car was assigned to bring up the markers of the rebuilt streamlined ROYAL BLUE inaugurated April 25, 1937 to replace the lightweight streamlined ROYAL BLUE built by American Car & Foundry.

24 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Blunt) Rebuilt and streamlined by B&O Shops from heavyweight coach April 1937 (Assigned to ROYAL BLUE later COLUMBIAN)

3300 originally 5325

A second streamlined heavyweight consist was constructed by the B&O St. Clare shops from heavyweight coaches in 1937 and this consist entered service December 9, 1937. The streamlined Observation built for this consist of the ROYAL BLUE was numbered 3301 and was rebuilt from heavyweight coach 5298. The 3301 was identical to the earlier 3300.

24 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Blunt) Rebuilt and streamlined by B&O shops from heavyweight coach November 1937 (Assigned to ROYAL BLUE)

3301 originally 5298

The ROYAL BLUE consist with Observation 3300 bringing up the markers was renamed the COLUMBIAN and continued in Jersey City - Washington service until December 19, 1941. At that time the COLUMBIAN became a Jersey City -Chicago Coach streamliner by way of Washington. Since two sets of equipment were necessary for daily operation in each direction the St. Clare Shops of the B&O delivered another heavyweight streamlined train set using former heavyweight coaches for the second COLUMBIAN consist. Former heavyweight Coach 5344 was rebuilt to a Cocktail Lounge Buffet Lounge Observation and renumbered 3302. At the same time as 3302 was being delivered the B&O renumbered 3300 to 3303. Why this renumbering took place has never been quite clear as no conflict of numbers ever occurred.

24 SEAT COCKTAIL LOUNGE BUFFET 16 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Blunt) Rebuilt by B&O shops from heavyweight Coach 5344 in November 1941 (Assigned to COLUMBIAN)

3302

With both rivals New York Central and Pennsylvania placing all new all Pullman streamliners in service between New York and Chicago in 1938. And in the case of the PRR a Washington - Chicago streamliner as well the B&O had little choice but try to match the competitions premier trains with their own CAPITOL LIMITED. Unfortunately B&O was financially unable to purchase new lightweight streamlined equipment so they were forced to turn to Pullman to streamline a number of heavyweight sleeping cars for the streamlined CAPITOL LIMITEDS. The B&O shops streamlined two heavyweight diners to match the rest of the consists of the CAPITOL LIMITEDS. The two heavyweight Solarium Observations streamlined by Pullman for the two CAPITOL LIMITED consists were CAPITOL ARMS and CAPITOL CITY. Both Solarium Observations were completed by Pullman in November 1938.

3 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Pullman July 1929 Rebuilt and streamlined November 1938 Plan: 3975C Lot: 6275 (Rebuilt and streamlined for assignment to the CAPITOL LIMITEDS)

CAPITOL ARMS

CAPITOL CITY

The above two streamlined Observations remained in active service on the B&O into the 1950's.
The B&O next turned their attention to Jersey City - St. Louis NATIONAL LIMITED by way of Washington. This train due to the greater distance it was required to travel needed three sets of equipment for daily service. Since this train carried coaches as well as Pullmans the ST. CLARE shops streamlined sixteen heavyweights for this train. The B&O shops streamlined eight Coaches, four Baggage Dormitory Buffet Lounge Cars, and four Dining cars for the NATIONAL LIMITED. All other cars were streamlined by Pullman for the NATIONAL LIMITEDS three consists. The three Solarium Observations streamlined for the NATIONAL LIMITEDS were CAPITOL ESCORT, PALM ISLANDS and PALM KEY. These three Solarium Observations remained bringing up the markers of the NATIONAL LIMITED until replaced in January 1956.

3 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 8 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Blunt) Pullman July 1929 Rebuilt and streamlined June 1940 Plan: 3937C Lot: 6275 (Rebuilt and Streamlined for the NATIONAL LIMITED)

CAPITOL ESCORT

3 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE 8SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Pullman January 1930 Rebuilt and streamlined June 1940 Plan: 3975F Lot: 6337 (Rebuilt and streamlined for the NATIONAL LIMITED)

PALM ISLANDS

PALM KEY

The first new trains to enter B&O service following WW II were the five car CINCINNATIANS operating a fast daylight schedule between Baltimore and Cincinnati daily in each direction.
The B&O shops completely streamlined these cars from old heavyweights and put all new interiors in the cars as well. Unlike the prewar streamlined cars there was no clerestory roofs hiding below the streamlined roofs of the new CINCINNATIAN cars. These cars were truly streamlined with flush welded sides as well. The two OBSERVATIONS were beautifully rounded at the one end and were probably the two finest home built Observations ever rebuilt from heavyweights.
From its inauguration in 1947 until June 1950 the CINCINNATIAN operated between Baltimore and Cincinnati. Beginning in June 1950 the CINCINNATIAN became a Cincinnati - Detroit service.

KITCHEN-PANTRY 24 SEAT DINING 18 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Round) Rebuilt and streamlined by B&O shops January 1947 (Rebuilt from heavyweight Coaches and streamlined for CINCINNATIANS)

3304 PEEBLES CORNER

3305 FOUNTAIN SQUARE

Pullman Standard constructed two new eight car streamlined COLUMBIANS for Chicago - Baltimore service. Intended to be daytime trains the trains actually became overnight coach streamliners when introduced in May 1949. The two streamlined Observations for the new COLUMBIANS were 3315 CHICAGO and 3316 WASHINGTON. These would become the last new streamlined Observations built new for the B&O.

36 SEAT TAVERN LOUNGE BAR 18 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard May 1949 (Built for and assigned to COLUMBIANS)

3315 CHICAGO

3316 WASHINGTON

In February 1951 the B&O purchased two lightweight streamlined Blunt end Observations from the C&O. These cars were less than a year old and they were surplus to the C&O railroads needs. The two cars C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB and 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB were repainted B&O colors and renumbered and renamed 7502 DANA and 7503 METCALF respectively. The two cars were assigned to the AMBASSADOR the B&O's premier train between Detroit and Baltimore overnight.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) Pullman Standard August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6893 (Purchased by the B&O from the C&O for assignment to the AMBASSADORS)

7502 DANA originally C&O 2501 SHENANDOAH CLUB

7503 METCALF originally C&O 2505 OHIO RIVER CLUB

The following month March 1951 found the B&O taking delivery of two additional Sleeper Lounge Observations from the C&O. These two C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB and 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB became B&O 7500 NAPPANEE and 7501 WAWASEE respectively. These two Observations were then assigned to the CAPITOL LIMITED replacing the streamlined heavyweights from 1938. These four Observations along with the four retained by the C&O were probably the finest looking Pullman Standard blunt Observations ever built.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Blunt) August 1950 Plan: 4165 Lot: 6893 (Purchased by B&O for assignment to CAPITOL LIMITEDS)

7500 NAPPANEE originally C&O 2502 TIDEWATER CLUB

7501 WAWASEE originally C&O 2507 WOLVERINE CLUB

In later years the B&O combined the COLUMBIAN and AMBASSADOR from Ohio to Baltimore and the COLUMBIAN lost its Observation at that time. Even later the COLUMBIAN -AMBASSADOR and CAPITOL LIMITED ran combined between Baltimore and Ohio where the Ambassador became a separate train to and from Detroit. Due to the use of Blunt end Observations the AMBASSADOR Observation was on the rear between Baltimore and northern Ohio When the Detroit cars were set out the CAPITOL LIMITED proceeded with its own Blunt end Observation now bringing up the markers. The CAPITOL LIMITED Observations had traveled mid train between Baltimore and northern Ohio with the AMBASSADOR Observation bringing up the markers.
The final three lightweight streamlined Observations purchased by the B&O were three ex New York Central prewar cars originally built for that roads SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED between New York and St. Louis. The NYC had named the cars for rivers the SOUTHWESTERN LIMITED crossed in route. Since the B&O crossed the same rivers and the cars were purchased to replace the prewar streamlined heavyweight Observations on the B&O NATIONAL LIMITED they retained the cars original names. The cars came to the B&O in January 1956.

1 COMPARTMENT 1 DRAWING ROOM 2 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS (Swallow-Tailed) Pullman Standard July 1939 Plan: 4082 Lot: 6567 (Purchased by the B&O from the NYC for assignment to the NATIONAL LIMITED)

7510 GENESEE RIVER originally NYC GENESEE RIVER

7511 MAUMEE RIVER originally NYC MAUMEE RIVER

7512 WABASH RIVER originally NYC WABASH RIVER

The B&O was one of those railroads that truly believed a premier streamlined passenger train should have streamlined Observation bringing up the markers. The B&O surprised many Railroad historians with the purchase of the three ex NYC Observations coming at such a late date as 1956.

TTFN AL

[passengerfan]

Yes I did see your L&N post so here is my follow up.
Now I have to get ready for tax clients to pay for the days drinks at "Our Place".
Will see whats beeen posted by lunch time.

LOUISVILLE
&
NASHVILLE
/
NASHVILLE
CHATTANOOGA
&
ST. LOUIS
Streamlined Observations by AL

The L&N owned a total of five streamlined Observations.
The first of these was rebuilt from a heavyweight coach in the NC&STL Nashville shops in April 1947. This car along with five other heavyweight cars rebuilt to streamlined cars became the CITY OF MEMPHIS operating between Nashville and Memphis round trip daily. This streamlined steam powered train was one of the last streamlined steam powered trains to enter service. The 1103 as the Observation was numbered featured 48 coach seats in he forward part of the car a Bar and 21 seat Lounge Observation. This round end Observation was also one of the last of this type built. The schedule of the CITY OF MEMPHIS called for five hours between terminal cities in either direction.
The NC&STL was merged into the L&N in 1957 and in 1958 the CITY OF MEMPHIS was discontinued. In January 1963 the L&N renumbered the 1103 to 2599, the car was retired three years later in 1966.

48 REVENUE SEAT COACH BAR 21 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION (Round) Rebuilt by NC&STL Nashville hops from heavyweight coach originally a Pullman Parlor car in April 1947. Rebuilt and streamlined for the CITY OF MEMPHIS)

1103

The two new lightweight streamlined Observations delivered to the L&N in March 1950 were for the Southern Railway CRESCENT, which operated over the L&N for part of its trip to New Orleans from New York. These Pullman Standard built cars were part of an order for eight to be assigned to the CRESCENT and ROYAL PALM. Each of these Observations was a 5 Double Bedroom Buffet 24 seat High Windowed Lounge Observation. The two L&N owned Observations were numbered and named 3300 ROYAL CANAL and 3301 ROYAL STREET.

5 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 24 SEAT HIGH WINDOWED LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard March 1950 Plan: 4162 Lot: 6814 (Built for and assigned to CRESCENT)

3300 ROYAL CANAL

3301 ROYAL STREET

The L&N briefly owned two ex C&EI streamlined Observations after that road merged into the L&N in June 1969. Observations 472 and 474 spent most of their brief L&N careers in storage before being retired and sold for scrap in August 1969.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Al

Right on topic this AM and busy beaver from the left coast at that![swg]

Surely recommend that youPost these over at the bar whenever you feel they will fit in. All that effort deserves at least one more submission each![tup] You have provided so many of these fact-filled pieces and I'm wondering whether you are indexing them for retrieval[?] Just curiious.

There's an abundance of "stuff" out there on the B&O but not that much on the L&N, appreciate both![tup]

Paying for the drinks, eh[?] Wonder how THAT happened[?][swg] Oh those poor tax clients - they just don't know what they are in for, eh[?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

The L&N Historical Society has a URL you may find of interest:
http://rrhistorical-2.com/lnhs/

Check these out:

L&N Loco Montage


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Here's something from Wikipedia on a train no longer operating along the former L&N (and other) tracks:

QUOTE: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The Floridian is a former Amtrak route running from Chicago directly to Miami. Its route mainly followed that of several former Louisville and Nashville Railroad passenger trains, including the Hummingbird. The train served Lafayette and Bloomington, Indiana; Louisville and Bowling Green, Kentucky; Nashville, Tennessee; Decatur, Birmingham, Montgomery and Dothan, Alabama; and Thomasville, Valdosta and Waycross, Georgia. At Jacksonville, Florida, the trian split to serve two different routes, one serving St. Petersburg, Florida via Orlando, and the other serving Miami via Ocala and Winter Haven. These two legs crossed each other near Lakeland, Florida.

The Floridian was notorious for poor on-time performance, frequent problems owing to poor condition of hand-me-down equipment of the railroads that handed their passenger trains off to Amtrak, and poor condition of some of the trackage it traversed.

The train used the lines of the L&N (in Indiana, over the former Monon Railroad, which merged into the L&N shortly before the formation of Amtrak), and Seaboard Coast Line. All are now part of CSX Transportation; some parts of the line have been abandoned.

Amtrak discontinued the train in October 1979. This left Louisville and Nashville without passenger train service, two of the largest such cities in the nation. (Louisville briefly regained Amtrak service with the Kentucky Cardinal, which ran from 1999 to 2003.)

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Back to the Milwaukee Road . . .

Milwaukee Road #50 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hey Tom

Just swinging on by en route the bar and I thought I'd check out the thread .... always find interesting stuff here. Between you and Al never a dull day![tup]

Until the next time!

Lars

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom

Back again with a tid bit for your "theme" over here:

Name Trains of the Louisville and Nashville (L&N)

Azalean
Dixie Flagler
Dixie Flyer
Dixie Limited
Flamingo
Georgian
Hummingbird
Pan-American
Piedmont Limited
South Wind
Southland

These may not be all inclusive, but they are perhaps the best known.

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

G'day Lars

Good supplemental info and much appreciated! [tup]

See ya at the bar!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Here's another Pix to go along with the previous:

CN #2700, former Milwaukee Raod #50 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Just came home Tom and saw your picture of the CN Dome so thought I would add a little text to your picture.

Canadian
National Dome Cars(CN)
by Al

The Canadian National went on a used passenger car-shopping spree south of their border unequalled by any other railroad. The CN was trying to win back passengers with Red-White-Blue fares and other innovative ideas, and was quite successful in this effort with passenger loadings rising each year reversing the trend south of the border and on Canadian rival CP.
Among the cars purchased were six Super Domes from the Milwaukee Road that had become surplus to their needs following the discontinuance of the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA in 1961. The cars remained in Milwaukee Road service until sold to the CN in June 1964.
The six Super Domes underwent a major refurbishing before entering CN service as Sceneramic-domes. The lower level Café-Lounge of these cars remained as before with 28 seats. New upholstery, carpeting and paint gave these lower level lounges a warm cozy atmosphere. The biggest changes were in the dome level of these cars. As built they featured 68 coach type seats in the dome level eight singles and 60-paired seats. When CN refinished the dome level they featured a 13-seat coach seating area at the forward part of the dome 5-pairs and 3-singles. At the rear of the dome level was another coach seating area for 16 passengers’ 6-pairs and 4-singles. All of these seats were refurbished in bright attractive colors getting away from the once drab interiors. The center of the dome level featured lounge seating arranged in singles, doubles, triples and foursomes. The CN installed a small bar just ahead of this 27-seat lounge served by dumbwaiter from the lower level. The total seating capacity of these cars after CN refurbished them was only 56, a reduction of 12-seats from their Milwaukee Road days. But the colors and fabrics were bright and very appealing. Many passengers wrote letters to CN complimenting them on the new cars, not realizing they dated from 1952.
The CN painted the exterior of the cars in the Black and gray (looked white to me) scheme and renumbered the cars into the 2400 series and assigned names of Canadian Rivers at the same time.

2400 JASPER originally CMSTP&P 50

2401 ATHABASKA originally CMSTP&P 53

2402 YELLOWHEAD originally CMSTP&P 54

2403 FRASER originally CMSTP&P 56

2404 QU’APPELLE originally CMSTP&P 51

2405 COLUMBIA originally CMSTP&P 52

The CN assigned the cars to there two transcontinental trains between Edmonton and Vancouver the SUPER CONTINENTAL and PANORAMA. Later the PANORAMA would operate these cars from Winnipeg to Vancouver when its transcontinental journey was interrupted by a 12-hour scheduled layover in Winnipeg for both the westbound and eastbound PANORAMAS. The SUPER CONTINENTAL would operate the Sceneramic-dome west of Winnipeg when the PANORAMA was discontinued. All Sceneramic-domes received 2700 series numbers in June 1974 with no change of names.

2700 JASPER ex 2400 JASPER

2701 ATHABASKA ex 2401 ATHABASKA

2702 YELLOWHEAD ex 2402 YELLOWHEAD

2703 FRASER ex 2403 FRASER

2704 QU’APPELLE ex 2404 QU’APPELLE

2705 COLUMBIA ex 2705 COLUMBIA

In March 1978 all six passed to VIA Rail Canada Ownership; see that chapter for the remaining history of the Sceneramic-Domes.
In the summer of 1967 a World’s Fair was held in Montreal, Quebec named “Expo-67”. In anticipation of the increase in traffic this would bring to Canada that year the Canadian National leased a number of cars from U.S. railroads in anticipation of this increased traffic.
The three B&O Strata-dome sleepers were leased from May 1966 until April 1968 when they were returned to the B&O. These cars featured 5-roomettes 1-bedroom 3-drawing room interiors with 24 seats in the dome. For their period of CN service they retained their stainless steel finish with a black CN lazy three logo on the window level of the car next to the boarding vestibule. The three cars retained their names but were assigned 600 series numbers as were all leased cars to the CN during “Expo-67”.

647 MOONLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7600 MOONLIGHT DOME

648 STARLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7601 STARLIGHT DOME

649 SUNLIGHT DOME ex B&O 7602 SUNLIGHT DOME

The three cars were assigned to the SUPER CONTINENTAL between Edmonton and Vancouver; the dome level was open to sleeping car passengers only. In March 1968 the three Strata-domes were returned to B&O at the completion of their lease. See B&O chapter for further history of these Strata-dome sleeping cars.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Nice follow-up, Al - as usual![tup][tup]

Continuing on with the Milwaukee Road #50, check this out:

VIA Rail #2400/2700 former Milwaukee #50 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

Another of that well traveled Milwaukee Road #50 . . . . . .

Holland-America #50 Kenai former Milwaukee #50 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Hi Tom

[wow] I heard all the noise coming from over here and just had to find out what was going on![swg][:D]

Nice chronology going on with that Milwaukee Road #50 ..... saw them over on trainweb.org or com (can't recall what the diference is!) - anyway, interesting.

I'm on the way over to the bar to get "in" on the "Theme for the Day!"

Here's my contribution for this thread:

Milwaukee Road #54 (from: www.trainweb.com)


Until the next time!

Lars

[Trainnut484]

Hi Tom, thought I would stick my head in to see whatsagoin on here. Great stuff for sure (Sointenly)

Here are my contributions to the Milw Rd theme today. Click to enlarge:

Milwaukee Rd E2 at St. Louis Transportation Museum


Milwaukee Rd 4-8-4 261 at KC Union Station for KC Rails Expo premeire


Enjoy [8D]

Russell

[Trainnut484]

Back again Tom. Almost forgot another Milw Rd classic:

Milw Rd #170 Kansas City Union Station. Click to enlarge:


Take care,

Russell

[siberianmo]

Hello Lars & Russell - great to have you two visit over here today!

See, Russell this is the "alternative thread" for all kinds of stuff that we don't normally get away with over at the bar![swg] Pix all the time, if that's what works ..... no script, no nuttin' other than the hope that participation will spring forth from the Posts provided. Hope you plan on Posting these on Sunday Photo Posting Day! for I've encouraged one and all to do that - after all, the effort should be "rewarded"![swg]

Thanx Lars - I'm runnin' a bit dry with the Milwaukee Road - even though there's an abundance still out there. I just haven't got the time it requires to search and research whether this or that is copyrighted or not. Surely am trying to play the game straight - but man is it time consuming! Of course, you know that. Appreciate your participation here and at the bar. Means a lot.

Okay, enough gushing and on to my next Post.

Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #55

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the The Pullman Company from a 1946 advertisement in my personal collection.

1 Pick the place you want to go and write for reservations. When you get word there’s room for you, see your railroad ticket agent and . . .

2 Reserve Pullman space for a trouble-free trip that will get you there safely – in more comfort than you’ll get going any other way!

. . . . . How to start on your vacation . . . . .

. . . . . . . . . . WITHOUT A WORRY IN THE WORLD . . . . . . . . . .

3 No worry about weather, roads or mountains in an all-steel Pullman car. Pullman’s been the safest way of going places fast for more than 80 years!

4 No worry about privacy or sleep. Your air-conditioned Pullman space is all your own, with big, comfortable beds it’s a joy to stretch out in!

. . . . . . . . . . WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR VACATION . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GO PULLMAN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
THE SAFEST, MOST COMFORTABLE WAY OF GOING PLACES FAST!


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Hey Tom love the Milwaukee Road pictures posted by Russell, Lars and yourself.

I have about a two inch stack of research material on the domes owned by the Cruise operators all I have to do is find the time to put it in some kind of order for a possible book. Two of the former Milwaukee Dome cars recently left Alaska for new home in Colorado. Maybe if I live another forty years I can put all of my rail material together. Anyway when I am gone its all going to the California State Rail Museum in Sacramento.

Russ the 170 diner was originally one of two built for the Midwest Hiawatha in Milwaukee shops in June 1948.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Hello Al

It's a good idea to prepare for the eventuality of life - which is death. The material things we leave behind can and should be designated for new "homes," which is what I too am preparing to do.

Have a thought for you AND Russell - while you guys are on "other" Forums and Threads - are YOU mentioning "Our" Place[?]] Hope so, for it is through guys like you and the Posts on this Thread that get us some "new blood." Think about it!

And yet another on the Milwaukee #50:

Princess California Sun Express #800482 (1990) former Milwaukee #50 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)


Enjoy!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]