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49er's vs. the Chiefs?
If it ain't the Giants or the Jets playin' then who cares!
Now the trains, on the other hand, that's a whole 'nother story!
Got to go with the 49er, that streamlined UP locomotive is so bizzare it's gorgeous! Kinda looks like a slug, doesn't it?
Now we need someone to find what football, baseball, hockey and basketball teams share a name with a named train at one time.
Cardinal, Maple Leaf, Red Wing, Alouette and Pelican immediately come to mind.
One more still does, Le Canadien!
I imagine some trains were (unofficially) named "Rough Riders"..... ...or should it be Roughriders? (for you Americans, that's a Canadian Football joke)
On that note, CP's Edmonton-Calgary service was actually named after those cities' respective teams, Eskimo northbound and Stampeder southbound.
Edmonton's AAA ball club fled south to Texas some years ago (I'm still bitter about it) and became the Round Rock Express.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Miningman
The Forty-Niner was discontinued in 1941 and 4007 was built in or after September 1941. So this may not be the Forty-Niner but another train hauled by 7002 which may well have continued to run in that form.
Peter
Miningman Now we need someone to find what football, baseball, hockey and basketball teams share a name with a named train at one time. Cardinal, Maple Leaf, Red Wing, Alouette and Pelican immediately come to mind.
Johnny
I would pick the 49er, but this time It wasn't the streamlined steam engine attracted me the most, it was the livery of the 49er consist and the consist itself (betterment cars + experimental Pullman sleeper) attracted me.
A consistency (in color and streamlining style) consist that consisted of coaches and sleepers using 6-wheel truck (except the experimental Pullman sleeper)! A 8-car, 86-wheel train set, looked great, the ride should be great as well...
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That's one thing UP fans have puzzled about for years. UP streamlined a 4-6-2 and a 4-8-2 for the "49er," but they painted the locomotives in the brown and yellow UP streamliner scheme, which was a total mismatch to the passenger consist.
Oh well, there's better things to lose sleep over.
Flintlock76That's one thing UP fans have puzzled about for years. UP streamlined a 4-6-2 and a 4-8-2 for the "49er," but they painted the locomotives in the brown and yellow UP streamliner scheme, which was a total mismatch to the passenger consist.
Now it has been a very long time since I last opened Kratville's Streamliners, but I seem to remember that the two locomotives were rebuilt for high speed as 'protect power' for the Streamliners in general, and presumably as streamlined would continue in that role. Perhaps they were temporarily assigned to the '49er to save the expense of comparable Diesels, but there were far more trains in yellow and brown potentially awaiting them at other times...
(As I recall, Kratville observed that at no time was one of these locomotives within range of an actual failed Streamliner in time to act as intended. Ever. Not once. What are the odds?)
Overmod(As I recall, Kratville observed that at no time was one of these locomotives within range of an actual failed Streamliner in time to act as intended. Ever. Not once. What are the odds?)
The magic of EMC/EMD's diesel streamliner! Didn't even give a chance to these streamlined steam engine (with patented streamlining features) to show off, like the CB&Q 4000... As a Pennsy fan, I am immune to the inconsistency of livery between the consist and the motive power... Mix and match can be fun!
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Overmod Flintlock76 That's one thing UP fans have puzzled about for years. UP streamlined a 4-6-2 and a 4-8-2 for the "49er," but they painted the locomotives in the brown and yellow UP streamliner scheme, which was a total mismatch to the passenger consist. Now it has been a very long time since I last opened Kratville's Streamliners, but I seem to remember that the two locomotives were rebuilt for high speed as 'protect power' for the Streamliners in general, and presumably as streamlined would continue in that role. Perhaps they were temporarily assigned to the '49er to save the expense of comparable Diesels, but there were far more trains in yellow and brown potentially awaiting them at other times... (As I recall, Kratville observed that at no time was one of these locomotives within range of an actual failed Streamliner in time to act as intended. Ever. Not once. What are the odds?)
Flintlock76 That's one thing UP fans have puzzled about for years. UP streamlined a 4-6-2 and a 4-8-2 for the "49er," but they painted the locomotives in the brown and yellow UP streamliner scheme, which was a total mismatch to the passenger consist.
I can confirm that Kratville indicated that 2906 and 7002 were rebuilt as protection power. for the "City" streamliners. They weren't initially streamlined, at least photos exist of both locomotives with their new wheels and rods but otherwise unchanged painted in glossy black...
The "Forty-Niner" was painted to match "Advance" and "Progress" as they were exhibited and only the car names were changed.
But the "Forty-Niner" was seen as a short term expedient and ran five times a month, so the locomotives were probably used on other UP trains as available and the current UP corporate image was preferable to a colour scheme that Pullman developed for its own purposes.
Of course it was always possible that they would be used on one of the big "City" trains and Leaf Brown and Armour Yellow covered that possibility...
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Cavaliers, Rockets, Clippers, Trail Blazers, Blackhawks, Pelicans, Zephyrs, Rebels, Olympians, Flyers, Senators, Canadians, Maple Leafs , Red Wings, Cardinals, Chiefs, Vikings, Eagles, 49ers, and we'll throw in the Metropolitan as the Mets and Balts picture.
.... probably more. Don't know about Australia.
I'm thinking it's not too common at all to have a big final, such as the World Series, Stanley Cup or Super Bowl featuring two teams whose name was also that of a named passenger train.
The Kansas City Chiefs, when they moved from Dallas, were named for Mayor H. Roe Bartle of Kansas City, whose nickname was "the Chief". He was also the longtime national president of Alpha Phi Omega National Service Fraternity.
Not the 'Show' but...
My life and Football are virtually mutually exclusive....
But today, 26th January here, is our National Day, celebrating the arrival of the first settlers in 1788, so I have to say something.
I went to a High School for smart kids and the teacher in charge of Modern Languages (ie not Latin or Greek) told me I wasn't smart enough to study German. He was also the President of the Australian Rugby Union. I was not pleased with this and transferred to Association Football and taught myself some German.
While our school played only Rugby Union, many other schools played Rugby League (with slightly different rules) which was the "professional" game and regarded as more of a "working class" game.
In Sydney anyway, when I was at school, the Rugby League teams were known more by their home ground, although some had animal mascots. More recently, in order to widen the area of popularity of particular teams, they have frequently been known by the mascot names alone but since most commentators are nearly as old as I am the localty names are usually used at some time.
Anyway, here is a partial list of Sydney Rugby League teams...
My local team was North Sydney whose ground was across the road from my high school. This team had a bear as its mascot.... there are no bears in Australia. The team moved to Southern Queensland or disappeared, much the same thing really.
East Sydney had the Rooster as its mascot. It is still operating...
South Sydney was from a relatively poor area and they were known as "Rabbitohs" after rabbit trappers who sold their catch from door to door. This idea of a tramp for a mascot was not thought to be a good idea so the rabbit became the mascot.
West Sydney had yellow and black as their colours so became the "Tigers"...
Canterbury-Bankstown became the "Bulldogs" and since their colours were blue and white. the mascot was a white bulldog with a blue collar.
Manly (a beach suburb) became the "Sea Eagles" but sometimes rendered as "seagulls" by the opposition teams...
Cronulla, another beach suburb further south, became the "Sharks".
St George a regional area just inland from Cronulla, obviously became the "Dragons"
The most westerley suburb was Penrith and this team was known as the "Panthers" after a legend that a large cat was preying on local farm animals. Similar rumours were circulating west of Newcastle this week, Nobody has produced a usable photograph...
Anyway, that's about it....
(OK, my father was a big Rugby League fan so I didn't get a choice)...
But as far as I know no trains shared a mascot name.
A Queensland team, the "Broncos" had maroon and yellow as their colours and a 1990s scheme used on Queensland Railways locomotives was known as the "Bronco" scheme. QR was a team sponsor but again, no train names were involved. Maroon was the state colour, so that was the link in colours. There are wild horses in Australia....
Happy Australia Day!
Thanks for that M636C.
St. George Dragons ...now that's a team with a name I could get behind!
There must be a pro level team somewhere in the Far East named Dragons. Green Dragons, Red Dragons, Yellow Dragons and so on.
That would make a great name for a HSR train or a old time string of heavyweights with a speedy steam locomotive up front.
(An unknown to but a few... I've collected Dragon figures since my teens, have a magnificent huge birdcage full of Dragons ...some are real dandies)
At least one express train served between Kowloon, Hong Kong to Guangzhou, Canton (now Guangdong) in the pre-war ear (1935) was named "Flying Dragon" but I don't recall any football team in British Hong Kong and Portuguese Macau had a name shared with named trains in the Greater China. I believe Peter know much better than I. One of the best football team in Hong Kong as well as East Asia in the 1950s was South China Athletic Association, local Hong Konger just call them "South China". Around the 1970s, Hong Kong's football teams continued to decline until recent years.
"Flying Eagle" (Kowloon to Canton) of KCR powered by a Kitson 4-6-0.
"In 1935, to improve the branding of the railway and provide distinction between the fast trains and the express trains, the four daily high-speed services were given names; Fei Chin – Flying Arrow, Fei Sing – Flying Star, Fei Ying – Flying Eagle and Fei Lung – Flying Dragon. These proved popular with passengers."
https://industrialhistoryhk.org/kcrc-railway-british-section-3-early-years-1910-1940/
Kitson 4-6-0, KCR
Rugby League?! What a disgusting aberration. Disclaimer, I played a fair number of years as a hooker or wing forward for Rugby Union clubs in the Chicago Area.
Re NFL names, there was a train called "The Viking" on C&NW.
A friend who lived for many years in Colorado said when they got an MLB team they had a contest as what the fans wanted to name the team. 1st was "Denver Bears", Bears being a long-standing minor-league baseball team name there. 2nd was "Colorado Zephyrs" (I could see orange and silver-trimmed uniforms with an entwined "CZ" on the caps!). 3rd was "Colorado Rockies". Apparently management had already decided on "Rockies" and expected that to win so just ended up using "Rockies" anyway.
Too bad.....Zephyrs is a better name. There are several minor league teams with that name.
Here's another but spelled with a 'K'.
CSSHEGEWISCH Rugby League?! What a disgusting aberration. Disclaimer, I played a fair number of years as a hooker or wing forward for Rugby Union clubs in the Chicago Area.
My father used to say that Rugby Union was a game for gentlemen and Rugby League was a game for roughnecks.
When the English Rugby League team visited, some of the players looked like extras from a gangster movie. The Captain of the Australian Rugby Union team was often a lawyer, by contrast.
My father had played Rugby Union in his younger days. His nose was broken as a result. I never realised until I saw a photo of him as a teenager before the nose was broken and I barely recognised him in the photo.
I stuck with Soccer. It helped that the Rugby ground was in a harbourside park that was much harder to get to (we had to walk) while the Soccer ground was alongside a rail line adjacent to a station. We still walked to the ground but could ride home after the game. And I could watch the trains... (only once did a late running steam freight run by...)
No broken nose (our scrum half did it five times) but a broken wrist and five stitches over an eye after catching an elbow. And we didn't wear any armour, unlike gridiron football.
As we used to say (Union, most certainly not League!) rugby is "a beastly game played by gentlemen"...
I am proud, I suppose, of getting my then-girlfriend to play women's rugby at Princeton in the early Eighties. They had shirts made up that said "my body is a finely-honed engine of destruction" -- and were prepared to demonstrate. Quite effectively.
M636CWest Sydney had yellow and black as their colours so became the "Tigers"...
A lot of folks don't realize baseball's St. Louis Cardinals got their name from the cardinal red uniforms they wore in the 19th century, not from the cardinal bird. The cardinal bird wasn't used on their uniforms until much later.
wjstixA lot of folks don't realize baseball's St. Louis Cardinals got their name from the cardinal red uniforms they wore in the 19th century, not from the cardinal bird.
Not cardinal red uniforms ... cardinal red TRIM. (They were the Perfectos at that point... Gilded Age organizational-history fans will relish the story of the grand Perfecto-Superba war and the resulting rise of the American League.)
Certainly preferable, every day in every way, to "Brown Sox" which is ominously plausible with only a slight historical change ... I have never quite understood how Clevelanders have put up with that evocative color so long.
Hmmm... I wonder if there are great trains named after great cigars...
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