Peter Witt streetcars that are not PCCs

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Peter Witt streetcars that are not PCCs
Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, October 26, 2017 4:21 AM

Hope to see others contribute.  Brooklyn had about 586 doublo-enders, (8000-8585) the largest fleet of double-enders, and 200 single-end 6000-6099, 6200-6299, the latter with comfortable leather-covered seats).  I'll start with some of the double-enders.  Before ordering the single enders, 86 of the last double-end cars were modified to normally operate as single-end with a turnstile at the front to speed loading.  This was followed through on the single-end Peter Witts, and even some old end-door convertables (4100s) were so modified.  And the PCCs had turnstiles too.

Starting some double-end Peter Witts:

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, October 26, 2017 5:38 PM

Cleveland had several series, including an articulated variant.  Not surprising since Peter Witt was a Cleveland Transit Commissioner.  His non-transit claim to fame was inventing the paper clip.  Cleveland's 1913 center-entrance cars were sort of a test run for the Peter Witt traffic flow concept, and the relatively poor performance of their design led to moving the entrance to the front for later models.  Center-entrance trailers operated regularly in trains with Peter Witt motors.

Toronto, Baltimore, Rochester and Chicago ("Sedans") also had non-PCC Peter Witts.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Thursday, October 26, 2017 7:36 PM

Cleveland Transit P. W.'s

Our "subway" was the lower level of the Detroit-Superior high level bridge:

W 25th and Detroit subway entrance:

This one looks to be in the green and gray Raymond Leowy scheme:

Cleveland Transit System barn at Madison and W 117th:

Cleveland Railway Company barn:

...and Detroit Rd. yard:

CTS(?) Sandcar:

Windermere car barn:

You don't see this much these days:

This either!  Tongue Tied

Ye REAAALLLYYY olden days:

Euclid Beach Park Loop:

Cleveland hosted the A.E.R.A. conventions in 27, 28 & 29.

Last run Jan 24, 1954:

But in 1927:

...it was the metropolis that inspired!

The above pics came from "The Cleveland Memory Project", a fantastic online archive at Cleveland State University: http://www.clevelandmemory.org/

 

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, October 26, 2017 8:16 PM

Those trolley shots are a fascinating look at a lost world, aren't they?

My, what we've lost.

Anyway, this is for that patriotic trolley in photo 12 of Becky's post...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_rk9FNOfEo

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, October 27, 2017 1:02 AM

Cities that had Peter Witts but never PCCs in revenue service include Louisville, Indianapolis, Buffalo, Youngstown (?)' Denver (narrow gauge).

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, October 27, 2017 9:22 AM

Buffalo and Erie (Erie PA city system) had Peter Witts they sold to Gary (Indiana) Railways, which converted them to one man cars with no center exit and a treadle rear exit.  Chicago converted several "sedans" to one man cars in the 1950s and then retired them without ever using them again.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, October 28, 2017 4:33 AM

Add to the list of

OXYMORONS

- jumbo shrimp ...

-military intelligence ...

- altogether separate ...

HIGH LEVEL BRIDGE SUBWAY

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Posted by Penny Trains on Saturday, October 28, 2017 7:39 PM

The entrances to the subway were at West 29th, West 25th and West 9th.

Maybe it was less than a mile, but many more miles were proposed but never built.

A second deck was added also to the Lorain-Carnegie bridge for streetcar use:

Had it been completed, it would have had just about the most impressive entrances you'd ever see for a subway:

But in the end only the Detroit Superior bridge was used:

It's sad what we give up.

There are other tunnels in Cleveland that had nothing to do with railroads.

This one I've seen first hand.  But it was back in the 80's and I didn't have a camera along.  So these are not my photos:

Of course on the heavy rail side of things, there were (and still are) the many underground tracks of the Cleveland Union Terminal:

 

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Posted by Miningman on Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:28 PM

Terrific information Penny....thanks so much.

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Posted by Penny Trains on Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:20 PM

Any chance to promote the home town!  Big Smile

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:03 AM

Penny, a terrific photo.  Is that at Colingwood?

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Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:58 PM

That one was taken at Linndale, which was at the other end of my street, once upon a time.   Before I was born!  Bang Head

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