BaltACDbring the population in direct contact with the Police and thus eliminate the inherent fear of enforcement authority.
Interesting that you would say this, it certainly happened to me that way. I thought I was unique in that regard. The first few times I had encounters as a youth, it was a high adrenaline experience. Then later in life each subsequent encounter more resembled watching an old TV rerun you've seen dozens of times.
Funny, but now that I am old and gray, they don't even pull me over anymore.
Convicted OneI believe that regardless of however harmless one might think the recreational use to be, the presence of armed traffic'ers willing to shoot weapons in crowded public places, makes their trade unacceptable. Related to that, I believe that enforcement of prohibition laws have inflicted far more harm into the lives of the people they have touched, than the drug itself ever could have.
Related to that, I believe that enforcement of prohibition laws have inflicted far more harm into the lives of the people they have touched, than the drug itself ever could have.
For my tax money - there are two elements of society that have bread disrespect for law enforcement - traffic enforcement such as speed limits and the attempts to enforce the prohibition, first of alcohol and then 'recreational drugs'. People have voted with their hands and feet that they have no intent in complying with the laws and the enforcement attempts bring the population in direct contact with the Police and thus eliminate the inherent fear of enforcement authority. In many cases the only 'punishment' for transgressing the laws is a monetary fine that the 'guilty' can easily afford to pay.
The price of people interacting with police remove the fear of failing to comply.
People want what they want - be it legal or illegal - and they won't stop until they get what they want.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I believe that regardless of however harmless one might think the recreational use to be, the presence of armed traffic'ers willing to shoot weapons in crowded public places, makes their trade unacceptable.
I don't have a problem with a homegrown pot patch shared with friends. I do have a problem with a criminal gang grow and distribution operation. Particularly ones that kill people.
BEAUSABRE Turns out, the amount of marijuana these two was carring was 110 pounds - as I said before, a far cry from a couple of reefers Second, we have a name on the dead (hooray) killer, " Officials on Thursday identified the armed passenger who died in a gunfight after fatally shooting a federal agent inside an Amtrak train in Arizona as Darrion (rhymes with Carrion) Taylor."
Turns out, the amount of marijuana these two was carring was 110 pounds - as I said before, a far cry from a couple of reefers
Second, we have a name on the dead (hooray) killer, " Officials on Thursday identified the armed passenger who died in a gunfight after fatally shooting a federal agent inside an Amtrak train in Arizona as Darrion (rhymes with Carrion) Taylor."
Why should it matter whether it's two grams or 20 kg? Or commercial with taxes or homegrown?
But, I guess the cops need something to do for amusement when they are not running facial recognition software scans on the crowds in attendance of mass sporting events. That thing where they pulled that face out of a crowd at Dodger stadium is downright big-brotherish.
If I was riding Amtrak, the last thing I'd want to wake up to in the middle of the night is the drooly snout of an unfamiliar german shepard as the authorities screen the train I happen to be on. And the prospect of delays in transit while searches are conducted would be extremely inconvenient.
One would think that competent authority could confine the interdiction process to terminals?
I saw an interview on network news where a California sheriff said that legal pot seemed like new sales, and that it has not put a dent in illegal pot. Growers said that regulations and taxes made legal pot expensive.
Killer weed!!! Maybe if the Feds quit classifying it at the same level as heroin, we wouldn't have things like this happen.
BEAUSABRETurns out, the amount of marijuana these two was carring was 110 pounds - as I said before, a far cry from a couple of reefers
Scary plants.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Something that complicates the situation is that there is a range of near-essential 'opioid' use: pain that involves certain extensions of the CNS. Several papers I've read (although I don't have the cites ready at hand) indicate that some of that tissue shares the brain's response to stimulation by proliferating tissue... resulting in the patient's essentially 'learning' more and richer pain perception. Arbitrarily treating such patients as 'medication seekers' or forbidding treatment over 'addiction' concerns is a terrible response.
The thing that should never have gotten started was the wholesale prescription of drugs like hydroxycodone for 'severe pain' like wisdom-tooth extraction or elective surgery. Not that I have either the pharmacological knowledge nor the experience to suggest alternatives.
What I'm hoping is that the whole detail system of drug sales gets reformed -- not that I think we'll see sense in the right places. And that we don't see profiteering in the upcoming replacements for tolerance-inducing addictive materials.
I'm torn by the whole opioid crisis. On the one hand, some companies were pushing their use when it wasn't needed. On the other hand, it was mainly people who were already addicts who would've just gotten something else. I've had 3 major shoulder operations (2 reverse total replacements) and never took anything stronger than a couple of Advil after the first two days. I've seen 20-somethings in drug stores with photocopy prescriptions trying to get opioids. They aren't old enough to have had enough pain to need painkillers that strong in the first place.
BackshopThe Sackler family of Purdue Pharma seems to have gotten off relatively scot free.
I have what may be a peculiar take on Big Pharma and opioids -- a major 'evil' leading to problems like the 'crisis' being in what was thought tolerable to promote use (and implicitly overuse) of the products, more than their being inherently dangerous.
Harvard was mulling over 'canceling' Arthur Sackler by removing his name from their art museum. It would be little better than vicious guilt-by-association to do this because of OxyContin or the developed opioid crisis; he was dead before either came along. The system of direct sales, and in all probability at least some of the claims of innocuity for products being peddled... those are squarely at his door.
I have the impression that the consent decree was more intended to prioritize stopping the 'crisis' and addressing alternatives than to punish supposedly evil money-grubbing people named Sackler for ill-gotten 'blood gains' gotten in large part through excessive hype in the name of building not only market share but whole markets.
Ah, well, that's probably enough for a post which only involves the word 'railroaded' in a semantic sense...
The Sackler family of Purdue Pharma seems to have gotten off relatively scot free.
charlie hebdoThe synthetic opioids, pushed by Big Pharma killed thousands, far more than cannabis . That should be a target for convictions, but it won't.
On the other hand, watch the opioid problem collapse if any of the research programs into non-opioid analgesia produce salable non-generics...
BEAUSABRE Amtrak train is Federal property, so state laws do NOT apply. See my earlier posting for someone's experience with the DEA after getting busted with a small amount of weed. Second, it's not DEA's choice, the law is the law and their job is to enforce it. And 1) Intent to distribute is a different kettle of fish from a reefer or two 2) They're not just after marijuana but harder stuff like Heroin and Meth as well. This bust just happened to be the former not the later. And yeah, I bet the tobacco and alcohol companies have the ad campaigns ready to roll out when given the word
Amtrak train is Federal property, so state laws do NOT apply. See my earlier posting for someone's experience with the DEA after getting busted with a small amount of weed.
Second, it's not DEA's choice, the law is the law and their job is to enforce it. And
1) Intent to distribute is a different kettle of fish from a reefer or two
2) They're not just after marijuana but harder stuff like Heroin and Meth as well. This bust just happened to be the former not the later.
And yeah, I bet the tobacco and alcohol companies have the ad campaigns ready to roll out when given the word
Choices are made about what laws to seek to enforce in organizized campaigns. The synthetic opioids, pushed by Big Pharma killed thousands, far more than cannabis. . That should be a target for convictions, but it won't.
I doubt that the people some posters saw carrying guns and wearing camo were TSA. TSA isn't law enforcement. You probably saw DEA or CBP agents.
That is the noteworthy thing here, The quantity involved was not inconsequential, and the facts they were carrying guns as well, suggests that these guys were more than just refugees from Woodstock.
Surprised we haven't heard the usual bellyaching about police excess, and how possessing a little weed is not a capital offense?
I'm glad that the threat in this story was neutralized without harm to bystanders. It is a little un-nerving to contemplate as an innocent law abiding citizen the potential for being exposed to "police state" type scrutiny just for wanting to use mass transit. "Olt mann, vhere are your papers"? etc
charlie hebdocontinued DEA campaign to intercept and arrest seems absurd.
Ahh? Recreational alcohol is legal in most places, but if you manufacture and distribute without greasing the right palms, the enforcers come a knocking. So I doubt MJ will be any different.
My guess it will be several more years before the federal ban is eliminated, Once AB-InBev, Seagrams, etc. are ready to dominate that industry, then the tide of lobbying will turn the opposite direction and the remaining prohibitions will evaporate.
Given the fact that cannabis substances are legal in many states (sold in licensed stores for ordinary use) the continued DEA campaign to intercept and arrest seems absurd.
The deadly shooting on an Amtrak train in Arizona on Monday erupted after US Drug Enforcement Administration agents recovered large amounts of marijuana on board, according to court documents filed Tuesday.
DEA Special Agent Group Supervisor Michael G. Garbo was killed in the shooting while another special agent was in critical condition, and a Tucson police officer working on the DEA task force was in stable condition, Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus said Monday. Devonte Okeith Mathis was accused of possessing with the intent to distribute less than 50 kilograms of a mixture or substance containing marijuana, according to the court filing. A search of bags associated with Mathis uncovered 2.39 kilograms of raw marijuana, 50 packages of marijuana edibles and "other marijuana and cannabis products," according to the court documents.
Mathis along with another alleged associate --who was identified in the document as D.T. -- were on a list the DEA agents were given "that contained names
of several individuals on an Amtrak train that was arriving in Tucson" as part of their routine investigative activities, according to the complaint. D.T. and Mathis were sitting across the aisle from each other when one of the agents saw Mathis "retrieve a blue colored backpack, a black drawstring bag, and a white plastic bag" and then move the bags a few rows away before returning to his seat, the document says.
Mathis allegedly denied the bags belonged to him when a DEA agent questioned him. The agent took the bags off the train to search them and found "what he believed to be two packages of bulk marijuana," according to the document filed in the US District Court of Arizona on Tuesday.
Other DEA agents spoke with D.T. and "conducted a consensual K-9 sniff of several bags on the platform of the Amtrak Station" before D.T. got back on the train, the filing says.
When the agent who found marijuana in the bags associated with Mathis informed the other agents, those agents attempted to talk to D.T. again, the documents say, and that's when the shooting occurred.
Mathis was later arrested, and D.T. was fatally shot after firing at other officers, the court filing says.
External video of the train during the shootout with very good sound - I think I counted ten rounds, maybe more
Video: Routine search ends in dramatic shootout at Amtrak station (msn.com)
You saw them only once probably because the Capitol Limited doesn't get as close to the Canadian Border as the Lake Shore Limited does.
For a number of years the station at Depew, NY (Buffalo) resembled a place under seige. Groups of men in uniform, sometimes camo, carrying large and menacing automatic weapons would not only patrol the station precincts but board the train and ride, usually east to Rochester. They never bothered me or the others in our roomettes or bedrooms, but coach passengers had to endure being awakened after 11 PM by the car lights being turned on and people being asked "Where were you born?" and so on. I never saw anyone taken off the train nor read of it.
On my last round trip in May I not only saw no TSA or uniformed men at Depew, they were completely absent from the Moynihan Train Hall in New York. One may draw one's own conclusions as to why.
In all the years I travelled Amtrak Toledo, Ohio to Washington DC, admittedly only once or twice a year, I saw TSA presence only once. In the Toledo waiting room maybe an hour before the train, a TSA agent in full camo fatigues, weapon on hip, strolled in, walked up to the ticket counter and chatted a moment with the Amtrak folks, turned and looked around, and walked out.
I agree that there will be a push to add TSA-style screening for passenger trains in the short-term. However, the logistics are a nightmare and I am not sure they are actually solvable. The volume of people at rush hour (pre-COVID at least) at Grand Central or Penn Stations in NYC would probably ground the city to a halt if there was TSA screening to get into those stations. Then there is the challenge of covering 500 Amtrak stations, with the great majority just platforms in small towns all over the country, with only a daily set of trains for most of them.
But I could be wrong, the Feds might still try to go forward with a screening program for all passenger service.
BEAUSABRE Convicted One Is this customary for police to screen "in transit" Amtrak trains for illegal weapons, money, and drugs? Yes, it is customary. Particulary along the southwest border Police and DEA Searches Aboard Amtrak Trains - The Atlantic Don't bring weed on Amtrak : Amtrak (reddit.com) I'm afraid we're going to need TSA airport style screening on our trains. As I've been pointing out for years, to any fundamentalist with a knowledge of the fundamentals, our trains' vulnerabilities are glaringly obvious. Hey, how do you patrol over 100,000 route miles? (Drones might help) Worse than dynamiting a passenger train, imagine the sabotage of a freight carrying toxic chemicals in an urban area. All you need is a pound of C4, a detonator and a pressure switch or radio frequency remote
Convicted One Is this customary for police to screen "in transit" Amtrak trains for illegal weapons, money, and drugs?
Yes, it is customary. Particulary along the southwest border
Police and DEA Searches Aboard Amtrak Trains - The Atlantic
Don't bring weed on Amtrak : Amtrak (reddit.com)
I'm afraid we're going to need TSA airport style screening on our trains. As I've been pointing out for years, to any fundamentalist with a knowledge of the fundamentals, our trains' vulnerabilities are glaringly obvious. Hey, how do you patrol over 100,000 route miles? (Drones might help) Worse than dynamiting a passenger train, imagine the sabotage of a freight carrying toxic chemicals in an urban area. All you need is a pound of C4, a detonator and a pressure switch or radio frequency remote
Sadly, this jerk was dumber than most and put many at risk. Hope this particular ring gets torn down with a vengance.
Convicted OneIs this customary for police to screen "in transit" Amtrak trains for illegal weapons, money, and drugs?
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