U tube of lake shore limited with operative diner 8400, operative V-2 baggage and dead heading heritage baggage to Chicago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jRDnJVUls
In a few days maybe no more heritage baggage cars on east coast trains ? There goes any picture opportunities except maybe the Amtrak display train ?
oltmannd D.Carleton blue streak 1 Speculation: It may be that the short Heritage baggage cars are retired first to eliminate their 90 MPH speed limit on the NEC leaving LD ability to go 110 on NEC.? But all in all it is only speculation on what will happen. I do not know of any heritage cars not qualified for 110 mph. Thought the 60 footers were only good for 90.
D.Carleton blue streak 1 Speculation: It may be that the short Heritage baggage cars are retired first to eliminate their 90 MPH speed limit on the NEC leaving LD ability to go 110 on NEC.? But all in all it is only speculation on what will happen. I do not know of any heritage cars not qualified for 110 mph.
blue streak 1 Speculation: It may be that the short Heritage baggage cars are retired first to eliminate their 90 MPH speed limit on the NEC leaving LD ability to go 110 on NEC.? But all in all it is only speculation on what will happen.
Speculation: It may be that the short Heritage baggage cars are retired first to eliminate their 90 MPH speed limit on the NEC leaving LD ability to go 110 on NEC.? But all in all it is only speculation on what will happen.
I do not know of any heritage cars not qualified for 110 mph.
Thought the 60 footers were only good for 90.
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There is an unconfirmed rumor that all single level east coast trains that have had baggage cars are now using only V-2 baggage. There appears to be some Heritage baggage cars Dead Heading to Chicago after getting to WASH & NYP.
Does any one have iformation to the contrary ?
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
#98 went north yesterday with two deadheading new baggage cars between the power and the the first coach, an in service new baggage car on the rear and no heritage baggage cars.
Viewliner baggage cars on #19 every day since the 26th
Amtrak train # 90 with an in service viewliner. Note: Dead heading Heritage baggage in front of V-2 next to loco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUvGmFQRan8&feature=youtu.be
We will need observation reports to determine where the Heritage baggage cars might go. If on Cardinal probably to Beech Grove. If on Capital then probably for redistribution to western trains ? Some might go to Bear ?
There are various unconfirmed reports that the new V-2 baggage cars are operationally on origination trains # 20, 80, 90, 92, 98. However no pictures confirming this are posted as of this time. Reported that Heritage Baggage are dead heading on front of trains. Maybe this so removing old bags connected to locos easy in WASH.
Just saw picture of new V-2 on 98 at Fort Laderdale but no link available.
Edit: Viewliner on rear of train at Orlando with Heritage bag trailing. No link.
61006 found on rear of train #43 pennsylvanian going to Pittsburgh for training. Note freshly outshopped loco #512 on point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cunQWjUZ_xc&feature=youtu.be
blue streak 1 Balt: Second 5 did not sound same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYgPiStNU4
Balt: Second 5 did not sound same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYgPiStNU4
Nowhere near the scream of the 1st batch, but still something is 'off' in what I am hearing.
Even the original group, behind diesel power and at a lesser speed have a 'whine' to them
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BaltACD
The V-2's seem to have a unique scream as they pass at speed.
D.Carleton blue streak 1 BaltACD The V-2's seem to have a unique scream as they pass at speed. Balt: great observation. Wonder why? Would be nice if some one can play video of 2 -3 V-1 sleepers to compare sound. Short answer: I don't know... and there are three Viewliner sleepers on the train in the video and they are not singing the same song. My hypothesis: the full length skirt of the Viewliner 2's effects the sound of the wheels on the rails. Evidence: Acela trainsets have full skirts and make a similar sound.
blue streak 1 BaltACD The V-2's seem to have a unique scream as they pass at speed. Balt: great observation. Wonder why? Would be nice if some one can play video of 2 -3 V-1 sleepers to compare sound.
BaltACD The V-2's seem to have a unique scream as they pass at speed.
Short answer: I don't know... and there are three Viewliner sleepers on the train in the video and they are not singing the same song.
My hypothesis: the full length skirt of the Viewliner 2's effects the sound of the wheels on the rails. Evidence: Acela trainsets have full skirts and make a similar sound.
Off this video - I don't hear similar sounds from Acela's
Sounds plausible to me...
blue streak 1 oltmannd They were good enough to roll 1000 miles to FL but not good enough to put in revenue service? I thought the "need" was so urgent - the cost of keeping the old baggage cars in service was so high... Here is a quote from trains unlimited about what training is being required on these bags. After reading the following it may be that training on these baggage is long range money saving. It appears that CAE has built a significancly different car. When the V-2 diners and sleepers care built personell will not need additional training ? Quote -- They ( cars ) may not have seats, but aside from direct HVAC control, they may have all of the same operating components and safety systems as the rest of the passenger fleet. This includes six 480volt cables of electricity running through them. ( if this 6 is true that is a change from all other Amtrak cars that just have 4 ) The mechanical department and contractors at outlying points must know how to take these cars apart and put them back together within tolerance of initial terminal rules (allowable tread depth, piston travel{if there are pistons] etc.) Indeed, the FRA added one more restriction g to this car which I won't discuss, but I'm sure someone will eventually spill. The field personnel must know how to troubleshoot, repair and or cut out/bypass the appropriate portions of the brake and electrical systems. Tolerances must be established to determine how much can be cut out. Such questions include what kind of detection systems exist on this 125 mph vehicle. What kind of truck support systems exist and how do you adjust them en route? Do these cars have bearing systems? On board? Outboard? Disk brakes? A combination of tread and disk? Can you cut out a single truck, a single axle or do you cut out the whole control valve and lose the car? Most importantly, where are all of these cut outs located? How many main res tanks are on these cars and how do you bypass them in field? This isn't a matter of opening and closing doors...which they will train you on for the sake of liability. This standard operating procedure for railroads. This way, if someone pinches their fingers, the company can say there were trained not to do so. ( end quote )
oltmannd They were good enough to roll 1000 miles to FL but not good enough to put in revenue service? I thought the "need" was so urgent - the cost of keeping the old baggage cars in service was so high...
They were good enough to roll 1000 miles to FL but not good enough to put in revenue service? I thought the "need" was so urgent - the cost of keeping the old baggage cars in service was so high...
Here is a quote from trains unlimited about what training is being required on these bags. After reading the following it may be that training on these baggage is long range money saving. It appears that CAE has built a significancly different car. When the V-2 diners and sleepers care built personell will not need additional training ?
Quote -- They ( cars ) may not have seats, but aside from direct HVAC control, they may have all of the same operating components and safety systems as the rest of the passenger fleet. This includes six 480volt cables of electricity running through them. ( if this 6 is true that is a change from all other Amtrak cars that just have 4 ) The mechanical department and contractors at outlying points must know how to take these cars apart and put them back together within tolerance of initial terminal rules (allowable tread depth, piston travel{if there are pistons] etc.) Indeed, the FRA added one more restriction g to this car which I won't discuss, but I'm sure someone will eventually spill.
The field personnel must know how to troubleshoot, repair and or cut out/bypass the appropriate portions of the brake and electrical systems. Tolerances must be established to determine how much can be cut out. Such questions include what kind of detection systems exist on this 125 mph vehicle. What kind of truck support systems exist and how do you adjust them en route? Do these cars have bearing systems? On board? Outboard? Disk brakes? A combination of tread and disk? Can you cut out a single truck, a single axle or do you cut out the whole control valve and lose the car? Most importantly, where are all of these cut outs located? How many main res tanks are on these cars and how do you bypass them in field?
This isn't a matter of opening and closing doors...which they will train you on for the sake of liability. This standard operating procedure for railroads. This way, if someone pinches their fingers, the company can say there were trained not to do so. ( end quote )
Gazooks! We are talking about some training on the specifics of some new passenger cars. This is not rocket science!
Compared to the training mandate that comes with PTC, this is really simple, easy, basic stuff!
Of course, we're talking about an outfit that can't train their conductors to use the conductor's office on trains instead of sprawling out in the lounge car...
blue streak 1 ACS-64 shows it can pull 15 car LD train. 10 regular Meteor cars and 5 new V-2s at Levittown, Pa..
ACS-64 shows it can pull 15 car LD train. 10 regular Meteor cars and 5 new V-2s at Levittown, Pa..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH6HW-vBfdE
61011 was seen at one of the platforms at Chicago Union Station yesterday afternoon (03/11/15).
Dutchrailnut From another board : 839(09)P42Amfleet (occupied)P42DP ALB 0730AR SDY 08:00 (Change ends pickup CP Pilot)DP SDY 08:30AR Binghampton (CP off NS H01 Pilot on) 13:30DP Binghampton 14:00AR Elmira-Woodlawn Ave 16:00 (NS Pilot off)DP Elmira-Woodlawn Ave 16:15AR Elmira Heights NY (SSS) 16:45840(10) will operate same route SSS - ALB with new cars:61028, 61029, 61030, 61031, 61032, 61033, 61034, 61035, 61036, 61037DP SSS 0830AR Elmira-Woodlawn 0900 (NS Pilot)DP Elmira-Woodlawn 0930AR Binghampton 1130 NS off P/U CP PilotDP Binghampton 1201AR SDY (CDF 485) 1730 (change ends)DP SDY 1800AR ALB 1830846(10) - ALB - NYP1 P32DM1 Amfleet10 Baggage carsDP ALB 2130AR CP75 2230AR NYP 2359 (ALB crew off)DP NYP 0030AR SSDY 01005 cars will travel to HIA on 97(11) and 5 will be on 97(12)
From another board : 839(09)P42Amfleet (occupied)P42DP ALB 0730AR SDY 08:00 (Change ends pickup CP Pilot)DP SDY 08:30AR Binghampton (CP off NS H01 Pilot on) 13:30DP Binghampton 14:00AR Elmira-Woodlawn Ave 16:00 (NS Pilot off)DP Elmira-Woodlawn Ave 16:15AR Elmira Heights NY (SSS) 16:45840(10) will operate same route SSS - ALB with new cars:61028, 61029, 61030, 61031, 61032, 61033, 61034, 61035, 61036, 61037DP SSS 0830AR Elmira-Woodlawn 0900 (NS Pilot)DP Elmira-Woodlawn 0930AR Binghampton 1130 NS off P/U CP PilotDP Binghampton 1201AR SDY (CDF 485) 1730 (change ends)DP SDY 1800AR ALB 1830846(10) - ALB - NYP1 P32DM1 Amfleet10 Baggage carsDP ALB 2130AR CP75 2230AR NYP 2359 (ALB crew off)DP NYP 0030AR SSDY 01005 cars will travel to HIA on 97(11) and 5 will be on 97(12)
uNCONFIRMED THAT 61028 - 61037 IS WAITING FOR ITS slot to proceed to NYP and sunnyside this evening. May have already left Albany.
Why not run these equipment deliveries south out of Bingo to Harrisburg and then to 30th Street? That would be 50 miles shorter and obviate the roundtrip through NYP. (I know, not my train, not my railroad. But I can read a map.)
So Dutch will that mean 1/2 of baggage cars delivered but not that many accepted yet? Also does this mean the baggage cars are qualified to operate on regular trains ? Hope we will not get someone claiming that the first car that bad orders on a revenue train enroute means the cars were not ready to enter service.. i
blue streak 1 This includes six 480volt cables of electricity running through them. ( if this 6 is true that is a change from all other Amtrak cars that just have 4 )
61007 unconfirmed report at Richmond Staples Mill for training.
3 more reported on northbound 98/05 todday and one on Capital today all at front of trains ?
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