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Posted by Buslist on Monday, November 24, 2014 1:50 PM

Interesting item over at Progressive Railroading's site. Perhaps someone can set this up as a hot link. Thanks!

 


http://www.progressiverailroading.com/passenger_rail/article/All-Aboard-Florida-execs-talk-Siemens-train-purchase-funding-options--42518?

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, November 24, 2014 2:57 PM
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Posted by Buslist on Monday, November 24, 2014 4:32 PM

Overmod

 

Thanks

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, November 24, 2014 9:52 PM

Buslist
 Thanks

 
De nada.  What I'd like to discuss now are those 'private activity bonds' that the reference seems to be saying are private equity bonds.  Here is a reference describing a bit about the program -- perhaps interestingly, I could not get into the FHWA PPP Web site, either directly or through the link provided by AASHTO  ... update: that page is here..
 
Do we know who the conduit issuer to AAF will be?
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Posted by Buslist on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:52 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

 

 

That is correct, but C&NW was the first to use HEP and run them as push-pulls.

 

 

depends on what your definition of HEP is. Most of the Chicago area commuter roads supplied lighting power to even their heavyweight cars from the locomotive, or in the case of the Q a car with a lighting generator. ( remember the extra step box on the Rock's RS3s or the squared off lower nose on the North Western's geep 7s?) The higher capacity HEP of modern times was required by the addition of AC.

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Posted by schlimm on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:15 PM

Buslist

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH

 

 

That is correct, but C&NW was the first to use HEP and run them as push-pulls.

 

 

 

 

depends on what your definition of HEP is. Most of the Chicago area commuter roads supplied lighting power to even their heavyweight cars from the locomotive, or in the case of the Q a car with a lighting generator. ( remember the extra step box on the Rock's RS3s or the squared off lower nose on the North Western's geep 7s?) The higher capacity HEP of modern times was required by the addition of AC.

 

 
And, in Chicago at least, electric heating, as opposed to steam.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:19 PM

with the old heavyweight commuter cars, some used electric and some used steam for heating, but all used head-end electric for lighting except the PRR Valporaiso trains, which had axle generators.

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Posted by Buslist on Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:02 PM

daveklepper

with the old heavyweight commuter cars, some used electric and some used steam for heating, but all used head-end electric for lighting except the PRR Valporaiso trains, which had axle generators.

 

 

Know the Wabash didn't use head end lighting until into the N&W era, I don't believe C&WI or NYC's Elkhart local did either. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, December 1, 2014 4:28 AM

I think C&WI did use head-end lighting, because they used Stillwell suburban cars identacle to those on the Erie in their Jersey City service, and those definitely were equipped for head-end lighting.  I did not know that the Central ran any suburban service.  The Elkhart Local is news to me.  When did it last run?  i also do not know of any B&O, Pere Marqette, or Erie Chicago suburban service.   Where there any?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Monday, December 1, 2014 7:00 AM

The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 1, 2014 12:01 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie.

Apparently in 1950.  These were 'composite' Stillwells; Elwood has them built 6/26 with the original Erie numbers in the 2300 series.  This was right at the time the road dieselized with RS-1s:

Can't find any information of what was on the RS-1s to provide lighting power, but they were built new for C&WI, and some of them have survived into preservation (perhaps with the equipment still installed).

EDIT:  A roster note says that combine #40 was 'trainline lighting only'.

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, December 1, 2014 1:41 PM

That was the "Dolton Demon," wasn't it?

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Posted by Buslist on Monday, December 1, 2014 7:34 PM

Overmod

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH

The Stillwell coaches used by CWI were purchased used from Erie.

 

Apparently in 1950.  These were 'composite' Stillwells; Elwood has them built 6/26 with the original Erie numbers in the 2300 series.  This was right at the time the road dieselized with RS-1s:

Can't find any information of what was on the RS-1s to provide lighting power, but they were built new for C&WI, and some of them have survived into preservation (perhaps with the equipment still installed).

EDIT:  A roster note says that combine #40 was 'trainline lighting only'.

 

 

Been looking at quite a few Western Indiana RS1 shots. Can't find any with any sort of train lighting connections on the end. And this shot of coach 42 doesen't appear to have any as well although it may be hidden back in the train door where the traditional bus connection was. Note however the car seems to have a battery box. [html] http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cwi/cwi-co42alr.jpg [/html]

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Posted by Buslist on Monday, December 1, 2014 7:54 PM

daveklepper

I think C&WI did use head-end lighting, because they used Stillwell suburban cars identacle to those on the Erie in their Jersey City service, and those definitely were equipped for head-end lighting.  I did not know that the Central ran any suburban service.  The Elkhart Local is news to me.  When did it last run?  i also do not know of any B&O, Pere Marqette, or Erie Chicago suburban service.   Where there any?

 

 

The Elkhart local is reported to have lasted until '64. Before the war (and probably during) there were several NYC locals between Chicago and Gary and Chicago and Chesterton. Depending on how far back you want to go there were local trains on the C&EI, GTW, B&OCT, CGW, and things like Chicago to Aurora on the C&NW as well as Chicago to Williams Bay via West Chicago and Elgin, and up the Belvidere sub to Rockford and Freeport. I also believe the IC operated out the Iowa Division to Addison ( which was off on a branch about 2 miles north of the main).

 

The GTW had a significant funeral business serving 4 cemeteries on its route. My Great Grandfather was laid to rest via that route.

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