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[quote user="243129"]Poor vetting, poor training, poor supervision are indeed contributory factors to both the #188 and #501 disasters. What are your observations as to the causes?[/quote] If you have read the NTSB'S final report about Amtrak #188 you must have realized that poor vetting and poor supervision is not one of the propable or contributing causes. Regarding training there was a recommendation to Amtrak to improve training for unexpected situations. For Amtrak #501 it waits to be seen. I trust NTSB more than a biased ex-engineer. Regards, Volker
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