Falcon48 CSSHEGEWISCH Deleted Metra is not really part of the national passenger network. It doesn't sell interline tickets and almost no passengers connect with Amtrak. Similarly, the Interstate Commerce Commission declined jurisdiction over discontinuance of CA&E's passenger service in 1957 for the same reasons.
CSSHEGEWISCH Deleted Metra is not really part of the national passenger network. It doesn't sell interline tickets and almost no passengers connect with Amtrak. Similarly, the Interstate Commerce Commission declined jurisdiction over discontinuance of CA&E's passenger service in 1957 for the same reasons.
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The reason the Interstate Commerce Commision wouldn't have taken jurisdiction over the CA&E passenger discontinuance is that it was only a discontinuance of intrastate passenger service (as opposed to an abandonment of the railroad - that came later). The ICC had no jurisdisction over intrastate passenger service discontinunances until enactactment of the Transportation Act of 1958.
Just took it on my android phone. Worked fine.
Yes. I have no idea why you cannot complete this. OM gave you some hints.
Back to the original OP has anyone got the $R&*&*( !-- Survey Monkey on Future Metra cars to work? https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CR9KVM8
In many US states it was a common (past) practice to use prison labor to manufacture things, such as annual license plates.
I'm curious about how those ornaments were labeled as to country of origin. At Fields, numerous apparel items from the 1960s onward were labeled as from Hong Kong when actually from China.
Overmod It is sobering how much of interest was in the East, and that was deprecated by the Wessis (particularly in the news that reached the English-speaking media). The general presentation was that the Ost was a benighted culture like the one in the '80s version of 1984 (or 'Brazil') and that it was saved from itself ... with great and ongoing cost and sacrifice ... by the victorious West. Revealing appalling detail in its secret police preparations and such, as well as terrible levels of pollution, worker health, and ... quality control of plastic cars with two-cylinder disposable engines. Despite Meiningen, knowledge and information on modern steam practice from East Germany might as well have been on the Moon for us even in the early Nineties. The amount of sheer work needed to find out even the history of the Trofimov valve was like pulling teeth without anesthesia. To this day I can't find a good account of the lignite-burning "Lamont" boiler, although there are several people who apparently know 'what worked' as well as what obviously didn't. On the other hand it's interesting how quickly we returned to thinking of 'Germany'. I grew up entirely in the Cold War era when products came from 'West Germany' and you'd still often see reference to occupation zones on older things. It's an effort even to recall this now.
It is sobering how much of interest was in the East, and that was deprecated by the Wessis (particularly in the news that reached the English-speaking media). The general presentation was that the Ost was a benighted culture like the one in the '80s version of 1984 (or 'Brazil') and that it was saved from itself ... with great and ongoing cost and sacrifice ... by the victorious West. Revealing appalling detail in its secret police preparations and such, as well as terrible levels of pollution, worker health, and ... quality control of plastic cars with two-cylinder disposable engines.
Despite Meiningen, knowledge and information on modern steam practice from East Germany might as well have been on the Moon for us even in the early Nineties. The amount of sheer work needed to find out even the history of the Trofimov valve was like pulling teeth without anesthesia. To this day I can't find a good account of the lignite-burning "Lamont" boiler, although there are several people who apparently know 'what worked' as well as what obviously didn't.
On the other hand it's interesting how quickly we returned to thinking of 'Germany'. I grew up entirely in the Cold War era when products came from 'West Germany' and you'd still often see reference to occupation zones on older things. It's an effort even to recall this now.
One of the more twisted schemes the East German regime did was use prison labor to make wooden Christmas Ornaments and sell them via department stores in the United States like Marshall Field's. Like it or not they found ways to raise money in the West and we unknowingly at times contributed to the Gulag.
divebardave I see Metra as being part of the national railway system..I use it not only to get around Chicago but to connect to Amtrak.
I see Metra as being part of the national railway system..I use it not only to get around Chicago but to connect to Amtrak.
I am proudly an Ossi. Once die Wendung took place, I was able to reestablish contact with cousins in my grandmother's Heimat (Frankenhausen). That led to exploring the various parts of the former DDR and eventually discovering my "second home" in the Hansastadt Stralsund, where I rent an apartment annually.
At least not a Joe Besser wisser. Some might say a besser wusser.
I've already been a Hochoberlehrer over on the Model Railroader side; it goes with the territory. You know what they say in Alsace: der alles besser wissen will als andere Hattst.
At least I'm not Ossi-fied. (Yet.) Despite being from a different Eastern establishment...
Ha! You sound like a classic Besser Wisser or even a Besser Wessi.
charlie hebdoOf course neither of you are Metra riders.
Doesn't mean we don't know what would and wouldn't be the right thing for the actual daily ones.
divebardave charlie hebdo Yes we are---I am in Chicago 4-6 times a year and ride/railfan on the weekend pass from Riverdale IL.
charlie hebdo Yes we are---I am in Chicago 4-6 times a year and ride/railfan on the weekend pass from Riverdale IL.
Not what I said. Your words.
CSSHEGEWISCHAs a regular Metra rider since 1980, I can see the need to replace the oldest equipment but I don't see a need to replace the gallery coach design just because it dates back to 1950. Just because some other design is new and different doesn't meant that it's an improvement. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It's broke and I agree with Charlie Hebdo on the point of you not seeing or riding on the alternatives. The Bombardier cars even after 10-15 years of use, ride smoother and quieter than the gallery cars. Plus the interior plastic and carpeting they use keeps the interior of the car warmer in cold weather. Then of course you have your choice of seats with table between or just a regular seat and they are high back seats countoured to your back, not bench seats.
Won't get into the Siemens cars but you can see them on YouTube or elsewhere using Google.
Of course neither of you are Metra riders.
divebardaveI put in the entrys and then it keeps kicking it back saying that i missed something..correct it and still keeps kicking me back..
Kicking you back to what?
I'll grant you those rank-these-items-in-order is an infuriating thing to navigate. Apparently you can either drag the lines into the 'correct' order or specify numbers in the boxes but there is no way other than 'order' to indicate just how much you like or dislike particular options.
Be sure your 'home' station matches the route you 'usually' ride. And don't miss any 'radio buttons'. I took it on an ancient cracked phone and got it in; so can you.
I put in the entrys and then it keeps kicking it back saying that i missed something..correct it and still keeps kicking me back..Better for Metra to hire some hard up poor kids/older adults in need of beer money and take surveys in person of riders.
divebardave If anyone can get the surveymonkey to work let me know...
If anyone can get the surveymonkey to work let me know...
Are you not able to access the survey, or do you make your entries and it refuses to accept your input? I was able to access it, but since I don't use the service, I didn't make any entries. With a more detailed description of the problem, someone may be able to help you.
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I assume that Chicago will go on a honor fare system like California because no way is a old conductor going to climb up and down all those stairs..Of course having a honor fare system means that you have to have honorable citizens (Of which at the end of my money for the week/month I am not one of them).
CSSHEGEWISCH charlie hebdo The important thing is that eventually Metra will start replacing the rattle trap bi-levels, starting with the oldest P-S coaches built in the late 50s on into the mid 60s. As a regular Metra rider since 1980, I can see the need to replace the oldest equipment but I don't see a need to replace the gallery coach design just because it dates back to 1950. Just because some other design is new and different doesn't meant that it's an improvement. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
charlie hebdo The important thing is that eventually Metra will start replacing the rattle trap bi-levels, starting with the oldest P-S coaches built in the late 50s on into the mid 60s.
The important thing is that eventually Metra will start replacing the rattle trap bi-levels, starting with the oldest P-S coaches built in the late 50s on into the mid 60s.
I was a regular rider from 1969-77. I still ride occasionally since 1992. Some people like them, most folks tolerate them and some, especially those who have experienced other double-decker equipment find the bi-levels pretty poor. I know you like them. I don't and neither do many others. Sometimes things do improve over time. There is better equipment available. Obviously Metra is not going to retire the newer coaches but the 60-year old P-S ones should be first to go.
CM: I think your experience of DB is from some time ago. What you describe was true to some degree in the 80s, but not in this century. I've ridden all over the network from 1968 through the present. BTW, the "s" in S-Bahn in Germany stands for Stadt = city or schnell = fast, not Strassen, as applied to a streetcar or tram.
As to conductors checking tickets, a few minutes before a train is expected in Salt Lake City, a conductor comes into the station and takes the tickets of those are going to board, and gives seat or room assignments. The same conductor works both 5 and 6 (due in four hours apart), and other conductors take the trains out.
Once, when I boarded in Oakland at night, I never saw the conductor, and the attendant told that he had told the conductor that I had boarded.
As an aside, when I travel, I use a railpass, which is supposed to be checked by the conductor--and, over the years, I have been asked for it twice.
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divebardave ... because if they did [their] survey would actually work...tried this at least 8 times and it keeps rejecting me... https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CR9KVM8
because if they did [their] survey would actually work...tried this at least 8 times and it keeps rejecting me...
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CR9KVM8
"You might be a Democrat if..." you keep trying to vote and get upset when you're told you can't any more.
I just took the survey from the link provided, answered the questions, and was told my responses had been received. The surveymonkey site has very strong checking enabled to make sure people don't vote multiple times to 'influence' the results of these Internet polls (a well-documented problem in both positive and negative senses) and will not take a 'repeat' survey from an identified computer or perhaps type of IP address. It may also be programmed to ignore or refuse requests from things like public WiFi providers.
If you would provide the specific details aout why 'it keeps rejecting' you, I might be able to give you workarounds that may work. Assuming you are not trying to vote early and often...
(Now, if only we could get the dead to vote on keeping us rid of gallery cars -- I suspect ranks of former rider-sufferers could easily be motivated to rise and do it if we could figure out how the political machines or community-of-the-dead organizers arrange for them to do so...)
charlie hebdoBTW, at least in Germany, regional and intercity trains still have human conductors, not platform validation. That's on S-Bahns and U-Bahns with very random inspections and steep penalties for riding "black."
I think it depends on the part of the rail system for DB.
I was there before the nicer commutter trains in Germany and primarily rode the silver steel and blue DB 2nd Class Cars between Osterholtz and Bremen. I believe that line has been changed to DMU now but used to be electric loco hauled coaches. Conductor would spot check if at all and you had to validate stamp on the platform before boarding. Usually did not see a Conductor as it was a short ride. The Bremen to Bremerhaven line is definitely secondary though it is not a trunk passenger line (though still an important freight line) and that is probably why the difference. Still speed limit was above 80 mph even though it was secondary passenger line. Again, I think I saw on youtube it is DMU now.
Few times I rode ICE I don't remember the Conductor checking in Germany but do remember it in Switzerland and Italy on their HSR trains. Never rode a regional train, always rode the through trains on DB or the local commuter runs. I don't think the Bremen to Bremerhaven train is classed as regional at least it was not noted that way on the timetable. The only long distance train on that route was the tri-weekly U.S. Army troop train to West Berlin via Hannover.........which I am sure has been discontinued now. Bremerhaven is still an important port city and it is where the U.S. Army offloads military vehicles, materials and ships privately owned vehicles for Soldiers or Marines stationed in Germany. Army prefers Bremerhaven over Hamburg. I think because it is less busy and easier to get into and out of faster.
For those readers that do not know S-Bahn = Streetcar, U-Bahn = Subway.
S- Strassen = or Street, U- Unter or Under.
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