I got another question about another EMU. Does anyone know about these? Not much info on these either.
Only that it was the NYC standard MU GCT to Harmon or White Plaines North. The full baggage MU is a rarity, however, and I don't know of any on NH, LIRR, PRR, RDG, DL&W, IC or CSS&SB! And note that it was onthe west (north) or outbound end of the train, too.
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henry6 Only that it was the NYC standard MU GCT to Harmon or White Plaines North. The full baggage MU is a rarity, however, and I don't know of any on NH, LIRR, PRR, RDG, DL&W, IC or CSS&SB! And note that it was onthe west (north) or outbound end of the train, too.
When I was a kid in the late 50s, we lived near the Nassau Blvd station on the LIRR Hempstead branch. I remember a full baggage car leading an MU train. It stood out because it was tuscan red as opposed to the usual LI gray. I suppose it could have been a borrowed PRR.
Full baggage MU cars are quite rare, however PRR also had some. CNS&M had some express motors (200-series) that were similar in concept.
1. The New York Central mu is a southbound Harmon -GCT local stopping at the Univesity Heights Station on the connection between the Spuyten Dyvel juction with the "West Side Freight Line" (now the Amtrak main to Penn Station) and the Harmon wye and yard and junction with the Harlem Division line.. The River is the Harlem River, not the Hudson, with Washington Heights, not New Jersey, on the opposite shore. Yes the NYC had full baggage-car unmotored control trailers, trailers with controls to operate at the head of trains.
2. The LIRR had the same type of equpment, with monitor roofs, like PRR cars, not the usual arch roof like most LIRR cars. Most or all LIRR mu combines also had monitor roofs, although these were motor cars, not control trailers. It was tuscan red because it had not been repainted. No PRR mu could be loaned to the LIRR because ALL PRR mus were 11000V 25 Hz AC overhead wire powered and not 600V DC third rail like the LIRR.
daveklepper 2. The LIRR had the same type of equpment, with monitor roofs, like PRR cars, not the usual arch roof like most LIRR cars. Most or all LIRR mu combines also had monitor roofs, although these were motor cars, not control trailers. It was tuscan red because it had not been repainted. No PRR mu could be loaned to the LIRR because ALL PRR mus were 11000V 25 Hz AC overhead wire powered and not 600V DC third rail like the LIRR.
I guess I was thinking about how PRR used to own LIRR, and forgot the little detail about how they were totally incompatible electrically. I remember back in the day also there were still some gray monitor roofed coaches.
Well of course you'd find PRR marked equipment all over the LIRR up until 1950 when the PRR dumped out. And the integration was such that it lasted longer than that. Not the electric stuff but the baggage, mail, even sometimes non electric (not trailer) coaches would pop up.
I should have noted the LIRR baggage control trailers had two doors per side, like most ful baggage cars, not three like the NYC baggage control trailers.
Just a comment or two.
I think the station is Morris Heights. If you look at the sign next to the car in question the 1st word is shorter than the second. IE not University Heights.
Also the picture shows Sedgewick Av in the background(I think) but not the Major Deegan. This should give a time frame.
Looking at the details should give a better time frame. If someone can think what the building in the background might have been.
Looking at a current google maps shows all kind of change.
Thx IGN
100 m-8s deivered with 14 of those being tested
http://mta.info/mnr/html/newM8.html
I found these other New Haven EMUs and I am wondering about these. I saw in some other pics that these ran in mixed consists with the open platformed EMUs that I asked about in the first post on this thread. Note how I did not make another thread because this already exists.
The cropped picture leads me to Danbury CT but when opened up I see the McGinnis era pain scheme on some of the cars...but these do date before the stainles motors. This yard, threfore, has to be Stamford as I don't believe there ever was such extensive trackage in New Caanan. Funny, if I didn't see "New Haven" on the nameboard, I would think Reading because of roof form. Off hand I don't believe Danbury electrification made it into the McGinnis era but was gone by the mid 40's.
Otherwise, I like it!!
as of july 31, 128 M-8s delivered and 122 accepted into service;
I wonder how many of those EMUs were built. I can't seem to find anything on them no matter where I look. The only thing I know is that they mixed with the open platform steel EMUs and that they also made it into the Penn Central era, which I found a picture of one with the PC worms. That is some interesting information you know there by the way.
According to Middleton in When the Steam Railroads Electrified the Danbury electrification lasted until 1961.
Ok, then Danbury is the location...you can still see some of the structures for the cat in some places I believe
In the PC era any remaining open platform steel mu's ran only on the New Canaan branch. Possibly one open platform and one closed as a two-car shuttle. The 4400 "washboards" were doing most of the work, and the older equipment stored out of service when needing work. (This applied to some of the washboards also.) Or used as trailers behind locomotives. Including one set in Trenton - Penn Station service! Behind a GG-1.
daveklepper In the PC era any remaining open platform steel mu's ran only on the New Canaan branch. Possibly one open platform and one closed as a two-car shuttle. The 4400 "washboards" were doing most of the work, and the older equipment stored out of service when needing work. (This applied to some of the washboards also.) Or used as trailers behind locomotives. Including one set in Trenton - Penn Station service! Behind a GG-1.
The PC era on the NH began in 1969. Are you saying some of the open platform steel mu's were still running then ? (an earlier post had them retired by 1956)
I also thought they were retired by 1956, but an above post indicates there was a photo of one with the PC logo. May be it was a photoshop product? Or maybe it was in work-train service?
Well if it is correct it wouldn't be the first time 60 year old equipment was still running around the Northeast.
This post was in the context of a picture of some old closed vestibule EMUs. Now I'm not sure whether the author was referring to the open or closed vestibule cars making it into PC era.
Some closed-vestibule cars did make it into the PC era, and as I posted earlier, some were used as trailers behind a GG-1 in Trenton - NY commuter service! Generally, the Washboards held down all off-peak service, but some old non-air-conditioned cars continuied in operation duirng rush hours until the first batch of M-2 "Cosmopolitans" went on line.
blue streak 1 100 m-8s deivered with 14 of those being tested http://mta.info/mnr/html/newM8.html
Now is 138 in service with another 18 being tested.
Interesting thread. I've recently been reading Brian J. Cudahy's A Century of Subways, which despite the name has about 100 pages of text on New York's Electrified Railways. It includes MU rosters for the New York Central Railroad, New York New Haven and Hartford Railway, Pennsylvania Railroad and the Long Island Rail Road.
There is a preview on Google:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=U4sG89SYvAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
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