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EPA fields new energy efficiency requirements for Medium and Heavy-duty trucks

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 4:31 PM

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He got popped in OH leaving their scalehouse just inside the stateline was heading to the Truckstop to get a replacement light had not even pulled back onto the interstate and got pulled over again by the same officer that had just inspected him as he was putting his wallet on the dashboard and reaching for his seat belt.  We have the In Cab Video of what happened.

Your beef is with Ohio.  I am not saying the rules and point assignments are right, but you need to train your drivers on how they are being enforced and entrapped so they can protect your company's interests as well as their own.

Train crew recently got 'popped' for 'speeding'.  A Main track that was listed in the employee time table as 25 MPH was redesignated as a Yard track.  Crew was busted for doing 24 MPH - Yard tracks are to be operated at Restricted Speed - 15 MPH to be able to stop within 1/2 the range of vision.  The locomotive download data was the charging instrument - no weed weasels with radar guns were used in prosecuting the crew.  Crew got 30 day unpaid vacation.

by the by - Is there 'Job Insurance' in the trucking industry? 

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:29 PM

10 years ago the FMCSA made 2 changes to the regulations for OTR truckers.  First they mandated that not wearing a seatbelt was a Primary offense meaning you can be stopped by any police officer in any state for not wearing one.  Then to make said officers job easier they Required the Makers of the trucks to install either Day Glo Orange or Saftey Yellow Shoulder Harnesses in all drivers Positions in an effort to increase an already 95% usage rate.  Fast forward 5 more years to 2011 when the New SAFER metric went into effect for OTR Trucking where everything that happens on the road has a point measure assigned to it.  Guess what was deemed more of a hazard for safe driving than driving Fatigued or DRUNK behind the wheel of a CMV and I am not making this one up.  If you drive without a Seat Belt on in a CMV it is an Automatic 21 points on your Safer Score for you and your carrier.  25 points on your license gets you 90 days unpaid vacation aka a suspended license.  Now here is why drivers are up in arms.  DUI in a semi is worth 7 points Fatigued is 5 points for you.  A light is 12 Points having an open container of alcohal in your truck is 2 points.  Oh yeah a Speeding ticket for myself in my minivan is maybe 100 bucks in my area.  This driver that we are using in our office for the next 90 days his seat belt ticket is costing him out of his pocket 650 bucks just for the seat belt portion of the ticket.  He got popped in OH leaving their scalehouse just inside the stateline was heading to the Truckstop to get a replacement light had not even pulled back onto the interstate and got pulled over again by the same officer that had just inspected him as he was putting his wallet on the dashboard and reaching for his seat belt.  We have the In Cab Video of what happened. 

 

Now you see why this industry is screaming mad at the idiots in Washington they come up with things that screw us over but say it is in the name of safety or the enviroment and we are the ones that get screwed over.  You think it is bad now wait til Next year when every driver out there is Forced onto E-logs another FMCSA bright idea and factories railyards are jammed with trucks whose drivers can not legally move at all for 10 hours.  That is going to be a real wake up call in America how out of touch DC is with reality.  They think this nation and transport runs on a 14 hour clock that can force everyone off the road for 10 hours everyday.  Have fun is all I am saying. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:14 PM

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We just lost our #1 driver in the company for the next 90 days his offense he had 1 marker light out and forgot to buckle his Seatbelt in Ohio.  Those 29 Points on his license just earned him a 90 day vacation from being able to drive.  21 of those points were for the Seat Belt.  Now do you see why people like my boss are getting fedup with the IDIOTS in the EPA and in Washington in General.

It isn't like seatbelts are a new addition to cars and trucks.

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Posted by azrail on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:45 PM

You can't grow produce when the snow flies, so expect only canned/jarred/frozen veggies and fruit during the Northeast winters.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:41 PM

Schilmn for a grocer to get a load of produce in from the West Coast into the Northeastern USA it costs them almost 1000 dollars in tolls alone for NYC or Philly.  Close to 1500 for Boston.  That is on top of the 2-300 a mile they get charged for the load itself.  Just to get a load of Produce into the Northeastern USA anymore your paying a 1 dollar a mile Premium on top of the rate to cover the Tolls on the roads.  If you fail to cover them then the carriers are telling you Sorry we do not serve those areas. 

 

The carriers are starting to push back the State of NY just lost a Huge Lawsuit against the ATA for diverting tolls from the Thruway to be used to maintain Canals for boats in the state of NY.  The costs to the state in that one is over 70 million in legal fees and the refund that the ATA is demanding is 20 years of tolls on all trucks.  If they get it NYS is going to have to pony up close to 15 BILLION dollars plus interest. 

 

My family loves trains as do I however I live in a real world where my grocery store does not have a railroad spur serving it along with my Walmart.  My boss is a customer of the BNSF he has over 200 cars in a SIT yard in my husbands hometown that he custom mixes Plastic beads in for his customers.  He gets on average 6-7 hopppers a week every week.  Yeah he ships that much of his custom blends of plastic beads each week out in 24 ton loads.  We handle Medical and food grades in those tank cars.  Our customers come to us for one reason we give them a flexible way to get the mixed resins they need.  He is struggling to deal with the EPA moving the goalposts on him yet again on the air quality standards.  So he is thinking about shutting down his ENTIRE company close to 450 Employees directly employeed we in a normal year buy over 50 new trucks keeping that dealership open.  We also buy over 20-30 new trailers a year for Plastic pellets and 20 van trailers and 10 acid tanks.  We also support 5 local sports teams and are a major booster of both local High Schools.  If we close all that goes away.  He is tired of all the Regulations being rammed down his throats or his drivers being seen as Rolling ATM's by the states.  We just lost our #1 driver in the company for the next 90 days his offense he had 1 marker light out and forgot to buckle his Seatbelt in Ohio.  Those 29 Points on his license just earned him a 90 day vacation from being able to drive.  21 of those points were for the Seat Belt.  Now do you see why people like my boss are getting fedup with the IDIOTS in the EPA and in Washington in General. 

 

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 8:50 AM

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We have lost long term employees that are not able to retire due to all the Regulations that have been rammed down our throats in the last 7 years.  My boss had to let loose 20 drivers that where with the carrier for 20 years becuase the FMCSA decided that Sleep Apnea is more of a Hazard for a driver than the lack of safe Parking and even with a CPAP machine they could not meet the new guidelines.  We as a company lost another 10 long term Owner Operators people that owned their own trucks and leased them to us with the New Emissions Rules. Why they could not afford the repairs to their Trucks when the equipment went off of Warrenty and started to shatter Injector Cups or blow an EGR every single Month. 

 

We also lost 3 shop employees when since we are a Haz-Mat carrier all our Employees had to be able to pass a Federal Background Investigation for a TWIC card.  3 of our Mechanics that had been with the carrier since before my boss took the reigns one of which had been with the company since 1980 where forced out the door.  The worst one for us however is the freaking costs of doing business are.  Our cost of doing business have almost doubled for maintance insurance of all kinds we spent close to 10 million on insurance for health and Liability last year alone.  Then throw in permits and Tolls that are 20X what they were just 15 years ago.  For my bosses trucks to go across the George Washington Bridge it is effective Nov 1 now going to be 200 dollars going into the city.  We lose money on loads now going into the Northeast.  Yeah you heard right we can not cover our costs going into Boston NYC or anywhere into that area with Tolls figured in.  Yet there is no effective Intermodal Service into or Out of that area. 

 

So are you predicting that in the near future, very few trucks will bring intermodal and other loads, etc. into NYC, Boston, et al.?

Maybe we'll start seeing more locally/regionally grown produce (seasonally) as in our past?  It's fresher and with lower transport costs than trucking cross country or from Central America.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:03 AM

We have lost long term employees that are not able to retire due to all the Regulations that have been rammed down our throats in the last 7 years.  My boss had to let loose 20 drivers that where with the carrier for 20 years becuase the FMCSA decided that Sleep Apnea is more of a Hazard for a driver than the lack of safe Parking and even with a CPAP machine they could not meet the new guidelines.  We as a company lost another 10 long term Owner Operators people that owned their own trucks and leased them to us with the New Emissions Rules. Why they could not afford the repairs to their Trucks when the equipment went off of Warrenty and started to shatter Injector Cups or blow an EGR every single Month. 

 

We also lost 3 shop employees when since we are a Haz-Mat carrier all our Employees had to be able to pass a Federal Background Investigation for a TWIC card.  3 of our Mechanics that had been with the carrier since before my boss took the reigns one of which had been with the company since 1980 where forced out the door.  The worst one for us however is the freaking costs of doing business are.  Our cost of doing business have almost doubled for maintance insurance of all kinds we spent close to 10 million on insurance for health and Liability last year alone.  Then throw in permits and Tolls that are 20X what they were just 15 years ago.  For my bosses trucks to go across the George Washington Bridge it is effective Nov 1 now going to be 200 dollars going into the city.  We lose money on loads now going into the Northeast.  Yeah you heard right we can not cover our costs going into Boston NYC or anywhere into that area with Tolls figured in.  Yet there is no effective Intermodal Service into or Out of that area. 

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:27 PM

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When will they stop killing the freight moving industry and the jobs that come from it.  Peoples livelyhoods are ruined everyday from the decisons that people that have never worked in the Transportation industry and have zero clue how it works.  Yet they still issues regulations that are next to impossible to comply with. 

 

Are they really killing freight hauling?  Or are they just making it a lot more expensive.  Which we will pay for at the grocery checkout lane, or we will pay for not-quite-fresh food on account of failed reefer units when we sit down to . . .

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, August 21, 2016 7:32 PM

The EPA won't be satisfied until the exhaust of internal combustion engines is elemental oxygen and nitrogen, with all the other elements from the fuel/air mix being boxed for disposal.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, August 21, 2016 4:23 PM

Hate to be a cynic, but you know, they've "got theirs," so what happens to you doesn't count.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:55 PM

Caterpiller tried the same approach to meet the first proposed standards themselves without going with EGR in 2007 and failed for the OTR industry.  The current regulations that my boss deals with require up to 20% of all diesel exhaust to be Recriculatied back into the engine.  He has had 10 trucks totaled by engine fires during regeneration cycles going down the road when the trucks DPF filters caught on Fire and literally burned the entire truck to the ground.  If you think the EPA is not going to mandate simalar requirements on the Railroad or heavy equipment makers your dreaming.  I try and keep our fleet in compliance with the EPA requirements and I am fighting a losing battle anymore.  Between them wanting vechiles that weigh 80K lbs to somehow manage to get 15 MPG going across Wyoming and Colorado thru the Mountains to also wanting them to pollute less than they are now.  Since the 2000 Model year emissions are reduced 90% already how much is enough for the EPA.  When will they stop killing the freight moving industry and the jobs that come from it.  Peoples livelyhoods are ruined everyday from the decisons that people that have never worked in the Transportation industry and have zero clue how it works.  Yet they still issues regulations that are next to impossible to comply with. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, August 21, 2016 12:17 PM

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Treust me they drive my boss nuts.  Our repair costs have tripled in the last 5 years.  Last year alone it cost him 1.1 million dollars just in DEF repairs on his equipment.  He spent 1.5 million on DEF fluids and over 2 Million on EGR system repairs.  Oh yeah he wants the idiots that think force feeding exhaust into turbocharged diesel engine is a good thing head on a platter.

Engineers have been making improvements on emissions and performance over the years - if you don't think so go back and review the automotive offerings of the 1970's that multiple times more poluting that today's vehicles as well lagging far behind in the performance aspects of today's vehicles with performance encompassing both power and economy. 

The fact that GE and now EMD have, or are getting close to, producing engines that can meet Tier 4 requirements without DEF proves it can be done - what the engineering tradeoffs have been to do this, I don't know; but if it can be done once, it can be done again.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Sunday, August 21, 2016 7:59 AM

Treust me they drive my boss nuts.  Our repair costs have tripled in the last 5 years.  Last year alone it cost him 1.1 million dollars just in DEF repairs on his equipment.  He spent 1.5 million on DEF fluids and over 2 Million on EGR system repairs.  Oh yeah he wants the idiots that think force feeding exhaust into turbocharged diesel engine is a good thing head on a platter.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Sunday, August 21, 2016 5:28 AM

I wasn't accusing the EPA of anything. Just stating the continued need of vigilance over the activities of any government agency. 

With the power entrused in them, the expense involved, and the importance of the job at hand, it's of utmost importance that we always seek the greatest bang for the buck.

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:27 PM

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For better or worse, they're going to keep growing, they're going to keep getting more expensive,

 

Fact check:  In constant 2015 dollars the EPA budget has remained quite steady, currently lower than many past years since 1976.

 

You are right -- they are not growing, they're getting leaner and meaner and more efficient in imposing more regulatory costs on the economy with a declining budget Lightning

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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Posted by schlimm on Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:22 PM

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For better or worse, they're going to keep growing, they're going to keep getting more expensive,

Fact check:  In constant 2015 dollars the EPA budget has remained quite steady, currently lower than many past years since 1976.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:47 AM

The guidelines and regulations promulgated by the EPA are in accordance with the statute as enacted and amended by Congress.  As long as the law exists as written, an agency to enforce the statute will be required.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:10 AM

The EPA was never going to not make things stricter. Beyond technological progress upping what's attainable and the continuing need to control pollution, it's a government agency. They're going to fight to not only continue to exist, but to grow their power.

If they have anything to say about it, they're never going to say mission accomplished and fade away content with the standards that they've established and the work they've undertaken to mitigate legacy issues like cleaning up rivers destroyed by generations of industrial activity, leaving a smaller and leaner government agency behind to ensure compliance and address anything new that wasn't forseen previously. 

For better or worse, they're going to keep growing, they're going to keep getting more expensive, and they'll keep getting stricter. The trick is to make sure that they're doing the best job that they can, are financially sustainable, and never inadvertantly sabotage a key industry with impossible to reach standards (Which comes close to happening from time to time, such as ballast water standards). 

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Posted by erikem on Saturday, August 20, 2016 12:13 AM

Seems to me that there are basic laws of physics putting an upper limit on ton-miles per gallon. Unfortunately there are some trade-offs between increasing engine efficiency and decreasing NOx emissions. Having a hybrid power train may be of some use for reducing fuel consumption on rolling terrain, but can't imagine it being a significant help for mountain driving.

It will be interesting to see how the Tier 4 locomotives do in daily service and how much change is fuel consumption is due to meeting the Tier 4 regulations. There have been a lot of incremental improvements in locomotive efficiency since the FT. Perhaps a combined cycle gas turrbine with a supercritical CO2 bottoming cycle...

One other possibility is making a diesel equivalent of the Wright Turbo Compounds, but using an alternator on the power recovery turbines and an electric motor for the supercharger (i.e. a turbocharger with an electric transmssion between the turbine and compressor).

 

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EPA fields new energy efficiency requirements for Medium and Heavy-duty trucks
Posted by samfp1943 on Friday, August 19, 2016 5:29 PM

Off Topic      Admittedly, this topic might be a 'reach' here, but with the EPA Regulation Writers of Washington; can there be something 'behind the curtain'  of Tier 4 requirements? Waiting to spring on the rail. and very heavy duty engine industry requirement, future requirements?  In their 'sprint' to finish out the current administrations regulatory programs; anything may be possible(?) 

"EPA and DOT Finalize Greenhouse Gas and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Heavy-Duty Trucks"

Here is the link: @ https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-and-dot-finalize-greenhouse-gas-and-fuel-efficiency-standards-heavy-duty-trucks-0

FTA:"...WASHINGTON – Today the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) jointly finalized standards for medium- and heavy-duty vehicles that will improve fuel efficiency and cut carbon pollution, while bolstering energy security and spurring manufacturing innovation. The final phase two standards were called for by President Obama’s Climate Action Plan, and respond to the President’s directive in early 2014 to develop new standards that run into the next decade..." [snipped]

[*It was signed in April of 2016..It must be ratified by Congress, within a year.]

 

 

 


 

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