Good Information...
chefjavier wrote:What about the GP-15D & GP20D?
The GP15D and GP20D are versions of the MK1500D/MP1500D and MP2000D. They were actually built by MotivePower and were marketed by EMD for the switcher/road-switcher market. They have Caterpillar engines and Kato main generators.
The only GP15D's are CEFX 1501-1510 and the only GP20D's are CEFX 2001-2040. They are leased to UP (in CEFX blue) and operate in Houston and the surrounding area.
carnej1 wrote: NS1013 wrote:There are two different types of the "green" genset switchers, but they certainly wont replace the the current ones they are just too big. they are built on GP-38 frames therefore they wont fit on a turntable with any 6 axle engine. Given that most of the Class 1s have been steadily retiring end cab switchers in favor of GP-38 size roadswitchers since well before the Genset type units were produced, I don't think the turntable problem is much of a problem. Putting aside the fact that turntables are far less common nowadays, the question is how often is it necessary to turn a yard goat in a consist with 6 axle units (which are generally either road power or in hump service)? With new pollution regs the older 645 units will be extrmely expensive to rebuild.
NS1013 wrote:There are two different types of the "green" genset switchers, but they certainly wont replace the the current ones they are just too big. they are built on GP-38 frames therefore they wont fit on a turntable with any 6 axle engine.
Given that most of the Class 1s have been steadily retiring end cab switchers in favor of GP-38 size roadswitchers since well before the Genset type units were produced, I don't think the turntable problem is much of a problem. Putting aside the fact that turntables are far less common nowadays, the question is how often is it necessary to turn a yard goat in a consist with 6 axle units (which are generally either road power or in hump service)? With new pollution regs the older 645 units will be extrmely expensive to rebuild.
I thought the GP-15 comprised of GP-7 & GP-9 componets, particularly the traction motors.
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Cool, I couldn't find that PDF.
um, from that link:
shorter platform lengths expected to be availablein 2007 (GP9 or GP15 EMD platform)
Also, to be fair, those are marketed as road switchers, not yard switchers. The GG series is a yard switcher. So the fact that they are longer shouldn't be an issue. I'll put the fault right back on NS if they plan to use a road switcher as a Yard Goat, then that's their problem.
The SW1500HP one would be a 1000HP green Kid.
I don't see anything on Rail Power's sight that specifies the frame for the RP20BD or BH since they are still prototypes. HOWEVER, the GG20B PDF spec sheet clearly states GP9 or or larger or B23 or larger. So if you're getting ones larger then a GP9, that's NS's fault.
The 3GS21's are base on GP7/9 frames yes,but the RP20BD's are based on the the GP-38 fram but there is one on order at altoona to be built on the sw1500 frame. I know i hate trying to move them its hard to tell the darn things are even running.
For the most part, they're based on GP7/9 frames, not GP38 frames.
Also, Don't forget the green kid which hasn't been purchased much, but does exist. 645 engines aren't really the ones in danger, it's all those 567s that are. I wouldn't think that turntable service would be a major concern just because there aren't that many left. I wouldn't say it's NO issue, but I doubt they're making buying decisions based on it.
Even if they were, not all turntables are the same size anyway. I'm sure an SD70-2/Ace/90Mac would be rough anyway.
Yes all the 6 axel engines are road and hump power but I personally move and turn using an SW1500 an average of 10-25 road units a night on a turntable that has no retirement in sight. It is actually in the process of being rebuilt right now, and as far as pollution regs. they are different for road power than they are yard units. Oh yeah i forgot to mention, I work 4 a class 1 RR. I have personally dealt with the 4 that NS currently has in service and they suck. They are in the shop and average of once a week. YOu are right about turning a goat in a consist,but there will always be times that they r just flat out too big.
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chefjavier wrote: cnw8835 wrote: YoHo1975 wrote:That's not a green goat, it's a Truck engine switcher. Not sure which manufacturer.NRE 3GS21BI believe those are Cummins QSK19C 6 cylinder, 700 HP each.
cnw8835 wrote: YoHo1975 wrote:That's not a green goat, it's a Truck engine switcher. Not sure which manufacturer.NRE 3GS21B
YoHo1975 wrote:That's not a green goat, it's a Truck engine switcher. Not sure which manufacturer.
NRE 3GS21B
I believe those are Cummins QSK19C 6 cylinder, 700 HP each.
3GS21B is the type of locomotive it is, built by National Railway Equipment. And yes, the Cummins QSK-19 is the standard engine used in them.
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The new Green Goats are the new environmetal friendly units use for switching. It will help clear polluted air from thier big cities. I still would like to see the old switchers. What is your favorite switcher?
I still miss the GP9, ALcos and SW1200.......
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