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Someone's Going To Be In DEEP Doo-Doo!

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Someone's Going To Be In DEEP Doo-Doo!
Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 5:37 PM

A mishap on the Strasburg RR involving #475 and a backhoe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIlQauLRB8&lc=UgwbfkyI68NwP-uc9ax4AaABAg.9hwb-I2OfLS9h

I enlarged the video to full-screen and I don't think the damage is too bad.  Hopefully the front flue sheet's not impacted.

 

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 6:25 PM

Yeah!  Why was that backhoe parked on an active rail line!?!?!?  Bang Head

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 6:42 PM

There's going to be some serious questions asked over this.

First of which will probably be why was the switch lined for the track the backhoe was on?  I don't think it's part of the main line, I can't see them parking a backhoe on the main.

And on the Strasburg of all places!  Surprise

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 7:51 PM

One could not see what the switch stand was indicating from that video.

However, it seems the operators did not see what the switch stand was indicating as the locomotive did not appear to be in emergency.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 7:54 PM

Here is a wider viewpoint that gives more information. Somebody has put together an interesting compendium of the incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS71HXT_wLc

It appears the switch stand was showing white to the mainline.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:05 PM

They'll find it hard to live down having everyone on the right side waving to the coaches!

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:29 PM

My take:

From what I can see, the backhoe was parked on a stub track, not on the main.  I think the old steam crane you can see on that cam is parked there all of the time.

This raises the question of why the switch was left lined for said stub track.  It also raises the question of why the crew of 475 didn't notice the mis-alignment of the points.  

And, if the target showed the switch aligned for the main/passing siding, why did no one notice the discrepancy?

As Balt says, plenty of blame to spread around.  

I would opine that the smokebox door, etc were cast, which would explain why they broke the way they did.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 8:31 PM

40.00506623740313, -76.11316888143642

It looks to be at this location, Leaman Place Junction.

White building behind the locomotive.

Stub track, but in this aerial occupied by two covered hoppers.

 

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 9:14 PM

That backhoe folded up to form a battering ram. I would suspect potential damage to many of the flues on the inside.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 9:18 PM

kgbw49
It appears the switch stand was showing white to the mainline.

Hard to tell color from internet videos reposted 56,000 times to keep ahead of VRF copyright strikes.  But going by shape: the  target has a rectangle shape, which usually indicates diverging move.  Straight moves are usually the upward diagonal shape. 

Not that we target shoot. 

  

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Posted by kgbw49 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 9:30 PM

Compendium video with several angles including a railcam aimed directly down the stub track.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pS71HXT_wLc

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, November 2, 2022 9:31 PM

kgbw49
Here is a wider viewpoint that gives more information. Somebody has put together an interesting compendium of the incident

Oh brother, it's worse than I thought!  Damn near the whole front of the smokebox shattered.    

Hopefully the damage doesn't extend back to the flue sheet but I can't be sure. 

Maybe I'm being optimistic but I don't think what's happened is beyond Strasburg's people to repair.   

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Posted by pennytrains on Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:34 PM

I'm not seeing the most recent videos when I click on the links so if this has already been posted I apologize.  But I saw this on Facebook today: https://www.facebook.com/christian.schluter.180/videos/2252195374942824/

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, November 3, 2022 7:48 PM

Thanks Becky!

NDG's posted some interesting links on this under "General Discussion."

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, November 3, 2022 8:14 PM

If nothing else, this incident will lead to discussions/lessons about operations, PR response, and damage control when there's viral video of an incident. (sorry VRF, you just can't use copyright strikes to simply make it go away)

 

 

  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:03 PM

zugmann

If nothing else, this incident will lead to discussions/lessons about operations, PR response, and damage control when there's viral video of an incident. (sorry VRF, you just can't use copyright strikes to simply make it go away)

 

 

 

You said it Zug! Especially in this day and age where cameras are everywhere.  

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Posted by Harrison on Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:55 PM

zugmann

If nothing else, this incident will lead to discussions/lessons about operations, PR response, and damage control when there's viral video of an incident. (sorry VRF, you just can't use copyright strikes to simply make it go away)

 

 

 

Strasburg's overreaction to the incident and VRF's over-the-top response has become a meme in itself within the younger railfan community. On YouTube, VRF is going as far as having channels suspended and terminated for sharing the video. This is quite hypocritical as they haven't done this to countless other viral (unauthorized) clips, some of which have propelled the channel to fame (Wabash Railfan or whatever his name is).

 

I also should point out that VRF clipped and recorded countless major events such as derailments at SFJ in Kansas City, vehicles being destroyed by trains at high speed, and even the Tucson shooting on Amtrak in which a DEA agent was killed. So the same company profiting off a video of a shooting is going crazy to stop an already viral video from spreading of a weeks-worth of repairs and no injuries. Yeah right.

 

And yes, the minute it happened yesterday and even now, the memes, recordings, and discussions (and VRF-SRR comments/criticisms) have been flying underground via Discord and text groups...

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, November 3, 2022 10:13 PM

It's sort of a Janet JAckson moment for the rail streaming service. 

 

But I think it more has to do because unlike many of those other incidents Harrison mentioned, these cameras are hosted/located on the property of the subject matter.   

  

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, November 3, 2022 10:49 PM

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It's sort of a Janet JAckson moment for the rail streaming service.  

But I think it more has to do because unlike many of those other incidents Harrison mentioned, these cameras are hosted/located on the property of the subject matter.   

We are living in a society that can't stomach the real in reality if it doesn't fit their pollyana version of reality.

The 'reality' shows on TV are scripted and edited to paint a unreal picture of 'reality'.

Real reality is not pretty much of the time, things happen and people get hurt and die.  With a sizable fraction of the country disavowing actual reality, a reality they have seen with their own eyes, REALITY is a big problem for the USA in the 21st Century.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, November 4, 2022 7:26 AM

I don't see VRJ 'riding herd' on use of the video as any worse than the suppression of the Panhandle initial video (which showed the train being shoved into the accident site by the DPU).  The incident has apparently not 'topped the charts' at Yahoo or other "news" pages, probably in no small part to the active damage control efforts.

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Posted by pennytrains on Friday, November 4, 2022 6:57 PM

Having read the "official statement" on the Trains Newswire my only take away is maybe it would be a good idea to reduce the yard speed limit from 10 mph, which is the speed they were operating at, to 3 mph, which is the average walking speed of the average human.  At that speed somebody may have been able to flag the train.  Especially if there was an attendant at the turnout.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, November 4, 2022 9:07 PM

BaltACD
Real reality is not pretty much of the time, things happen and people get hurt and die.  With a sizable fraction of the country disavowing actual reality, a reality they have seen with their own eyes, REALITY is a big problem for the USA in the 21st Century.

Well, as Groucho Marx once said:

"Who are you gonna believe, me or your own lying eyes?"  Wink

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, November 4, 2022 9:17 PM

zugmann
But I think it more has to do because unlike many of those other incidents Harrison mentioned, these cameras are hosted/located on the property of the subject matter.   

A "cameras on private property" excuse for blocking videos strikes me as a bit lame.  Yes, the Strasburg owns the property, but it's not "private" in the sense you can't come in without an invitation.  There's no fences or guards and certainly no "No Photography Permitted" signs.  There's not and never has been any attempt to keep people out, except for certain areas where it's unsafe for the public to be without supervision. 

While I love the Strasburg and everything they do trying the "private property" angle to surpress embarassing images strikes me as trying to have your cake and eat it too. 

The cat's out of the bag folks, there's no putting it back in. 

Admit the mistake, LEARN from the mistake, and move on.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, November 5, 2022 9:10 PM

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But I think it more has to do because unlike many of those other incidents Harrison mentioned, these cameras are hosted/located on the property of the subject matter.    

A "cameras on private property" excuse for blocking videos strikes me as a bit lame.  Yes, the Strasburg owns the property, but it's not "private" in the sense you can't come in without an invitation.  There's no fences or guards and certainly no "No Photography Permitted" signs.  There's not and never has been any attempt to keep people out, except for certain areas where it's unsafe for the public to be without supervision. 

While I love the Strasburg and everything they do trying the "private property" angle to surpress embarassing images strikes me as trying to have your cake and eat it too. 

The cat's out of the bag folks, there's no putting it back in. 

Admit the mistake, LEARN from the mistake, and move on.

The 'Deep Doo Doo' will be deepest for the MofW crew that worked with the backhoe and DID NOT close the switch after the backhoe cleared on the track.

The train crew doo doo on their shoes for not being more vigilant about switch positions on their route.

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Posted by pennytrains on Sunday, November 6, 2022 5:21 PM

475 already has a new front.  Not picture perfect but workable.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:24 PM

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, November 6, 2022 6:31 PM

Some were disappointed it didn't get a high headlight again.  

 

I kind of want to see it with a twin sealed beam light. 

  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, November 6, 2022 9:22 PM

zugmann
I kind of want to see it with a twin sealed beam light. 

How about a Mars light just for grins?  Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC2Mud5fn9E

That's a pretty slick repair job!  Although I'd slap a coat of black paint on it just to hide the scars.  Rust-Oleum black barbecue paint would do nicely. I imagine at some point they'll use the old smokebox door as a pattern for a new one. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, November 6, 2022 9:37 PM

I believe smoke boxes get a coating of linseed oil mixed with graphite account of the relatively consistent high temperatures, rather than paint.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, November 7, 2022 7:37 AM

BaltACD

I believe smoke boxes get a coating of linseed oil mixed with graphite account of the relatively consistent high temperatures, rather than paint.

 

Correct.  That was true back in the old days when the paints available weren't anywhere near as advanced as we have today, they wouldn't last long on a hot smokebox. Graphite mixed with linseed oil and rubbed into the metal provided the rust protection the paint's couldn't. Towards the end of the steam era heat-resistant paints had been developed, the Lackawanna was using them on their steamers by the early 50's for example.  But of course steam was on the way out by that time. 

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