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Winans Camel
Posted by BEAUSABRE on Saturday, April 30, 2022 8:19 AM

Beautiful clear picture - amazing what they could do with glass plates

Look like the engine is just out of the shops while the tender has had years of abuse

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, April 30, 2022 8:50 AM

Those old glass-plate cameras and even the daguerreotype cameras were a lot better than people today give them credit for.  In fact, if the photographs are reproduced correctly it's amazing just how good they are.  

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, April 30, 2022 8:59 AM

That is not a Winans Camel.  Here is a discussion of those locomotives.

What you have there is a 4-6-0, probably one of the engines that so incensed Winans 'back in the day'.  While you have that daguerrotype at hand, this might be of interest...

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, May 3, 2022 10:51 PM

Overmod

That is not a Winans Camel.  Here is a discussion of those locomotives.

What you have there is a 4-6-0, probably one of the engines that so incensed Winans 'back in the day'.  While you have that daguerrotype at hand, this might be of interest...

 

 

I hadn't looked at the Camelback 4-6-0 end on before. It looks very tall and narrow. It was good that they had a diesel with a "hump", a B&O GP30 to do the switching. The GP30 "hump" covered a very tall electrical cabinet. By the time they designed the GP35, they had made the electrical cabinet more compact. EMD even mentioned this in their early publicity.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 4:38 PM

Would a roundhouse full of those things be called a "pack of Camels?"  Wink

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Posted by pennytrains on Wednesday, May 4, 2022 6:44 PM

Sounds better than "a herd of dromidaries" (sp?)  Wink

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, May 5, 2022 8:31 PM

Dromedaries?  Did someone say dromedaries?

https://i.redd.it/pffmigs8gxo61.jpg

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, May 5, 2022 9:16 PM

By special permission of the DAR!

But did they serve it on George Washington's railroad?

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Posted by M636C on Thursday, May 5, 2022 10:55 PM

Overmod

By special permission of the DAR!

But did they serve it on George Washington's railroad?

 

Looking at the camel's speech bubble, how do you pasteurise dates?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, May 6, 2022 9:22 AM

Overmod

By special permission of the DAR!

But did they serve it on George Washington's railroad?

 

Here's the DAR story:

https://livesandlegaciesblog.org/2015/10/28/kenmores-famed-gingerbread

Did they serve it on George Washington's railroad?  They SHOULD have!

By the way, I like the artist's rendition of General Washington in the ad.  How often do you see a picture of the general smiling?  He WAS human after all!

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, May 6, 2022 9:25 AM

M636C
Looking at the camel's speech bubble, how do you pasteurise dates?

I have no idea!

Hey, several years ago I bought a K-Line O Gauge Heinz reefer car that said "Pickles, Onions, Euchered Figs" on the side.  It took me almost a year to find out what a euchered fig was!  

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, May 6, 2022 9:46 AM

So, what did you find out about euchered figs? 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, May 6, 2022 10:43 AM

54light15

So, what did you find out about euchered figs? 

 

KNEW  somebody would ask!  Big Smile

Long story short, it's a Midwestern thing, figs reduced to a compote.  After buying a book on the history of billboard reefer cars and seeing a photo of the real thing I e-mailed the author, who very graciously responded and told me the story.  Apparantly no-one else in the country used the term "euchering" for compoting.

The name of the book by the way is "Billboard Refrigerator Cars,"  published by Signature Press.  A complete and fascinating history of those cars and worth having if you're interested in that part of railroad history.

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Posted by pennytrains on Friday, May 6, 2022 7:23 PM

So....nothing to do with baseball or playing cards then?  Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 7, 2022 3:58 AM

Euchred figs?  Did somebody say euchred figs?

http://www.adclassix.com/images02heinz.jpg

Apparently the etymology says to preserve something by enhancing its acidity, but Heinz did it with sugar syrup and spices.  (I am still checking on how much ethyl alcohol was involved.

Also this:

https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/4760/6892746_1.jpg?v=8C95FB7F4D837D0

Pasteurized dates:

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2532&context=theses

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, May 7, 2022 5:15 AM

Overmod

Euchred figs?  Did somebody say euchred figs?

http://www.adclassix.com/images02heinz.jpg

Apparently the etymology says to preserve something by enhancing its acidity, but Heinz did it with sugar syrup and spices.  (I am still checking on how much ethyl alcohol was involved.

Also this:

https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/4760/6892746_1.jpg?v=8C95FB7F4D837D0

Pasteurized dates:

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2532&context=theses

 

That was interesting about Pasteurised Figs...

I had envisaged something like boiling them in water, but that would remove the "dried" status. Hot humid air must work, I guess.

Someone borrowed the thesis in 1992...

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 7, 2022 9:58 AM

pennytrains

So....nothing to do with baseball or playing cards then?  Smile, Wink & Grin

 

Nope.  Part of my research was calling up people who were old enough to possibly remember the product.  Mom and Dad never heard of euchered figs, but Dad knew about the baseball term and the card game.  Lady Firestorm's  Mom never heard of the things at all.  I even asked some old-timers at train shows selling model billboard cars and they never heard of them either!  None of the veteran members of the train club knew.  Talk about an obsolete term!  

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 7, 2022 10:01 AM

Overmod
Euchred figs?  Did somebody say euchred figs?

Great stuff you uncovered Mod-man!  Wanswheel would be proud of you! 

A master's thesis on date pasteurization?  Imagine that.  Well, as long as it got him his MS good for him!

I wonder if he managed to work it up to a doctoral dissertation? 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, May 7, 2022 12:41 PM

I am pretty sure that 'euchred' is a phonetic spelling of a cooking technique from Alsace-Lorraine or another 'not-quite-German' immigrant community -- the original perhaps being 'juker' or 'jucker' in contemporary English spelling.

'Euchre' does have the semantic connotation of cheating someone by being seemingly sweet or charming; the phrase 'sweet-talking' might be related.  

Since we did Lobster Newburg, dirty water dogs, and the alloy formulation for High Dynamic steel, perhaps we can recreate the spices and techniques for euchring fruits or vegetables.  As someone who has always loved refrigerator pickle (which is really just white vinegar, salt, pepper, and a lot of strategically-applied cold for ingredients), I have to wonder what the technique might produce with the right admixture of spices and perhaps alcohol...

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 7, 2022 6:50 PM

Overmod
 As someone who has always loved refrigerator pickle (which is really just white vinegar, salt, pepper, and a lot of strategically-applied cold for ingredients),

I can empathise, I'm a pickle junkie myself!

Vlasic, Mount Olive, Boar's Head, B&G, you name it.  Even the late, lamented Manhattan Brand pickles.

Some days a pickle is the only green vegetable I eat!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, May 7, 2022 6:51 PM

pennytrains
A spicy baseball announcer who's really good at poker?

Oh man, HOW could I forget Bob Uecker?  Embarrassed

Can I hijack a thread or what?  Wink

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Posted by pennytrains on Sunday, May 8, 2022 5:22 PM

Big Smile  Same me, different spelling!  Big Smile

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Posted by 54light15 on Sunday, May 8, 2022 6:41 PM

I'm not knocking Bob, but Scooter was the poet!

http://brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/122 

And that retires the side. 

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Posted by pennytrains on Monday, May 9, 2022 6:29 PM

Don't look at me, I'm just a kid from Cleveland!  Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, May 9, 2022 11:04 PM

pennytrains
Don't look at me, I'm just a kid from Cleveland!  Smile, Wink & Grin

From Cleveland and you are overlooking Herb Score?

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by pennytrains on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 7:28 PM

Going for the "Major League" movie connection!  Wink

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