Trains.com

System Steam Backshops

11655 views
41 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    July 2016
  • 2,631 posts
Posted by Backshop on Monday, November 28, 2016 8:00 PM

Did St Albans actually have an erecting shop or just a big roundhouse?  I was there in the 80's and just remember the RH, although something could have been torn down.  I thought heavy repairs went to Battle Creek or Pte St Charles?

  • Member since
    March 2011
  • 64 posts
Posted by F.S. Adams on Monday, November 28, 2016 6:06 PM

NKP-Frankfort, IN;  CV-St. Albans, VT

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Parma Heights Ohio
  • 3,442 posts
Posted by Penny Trains on Monday, November 14, 2016 7:34 PM

Collinwood on the east side of Cleveland:

This is where the Century changed crews and exchanged mail.  Because of the late hour, the train did not service the Cleveland Union Terminal.

And this was Linndale:

Which existed just a bit down the road where I've lived all my life.  Too bad I never got to see it.

Here's a great place for Cleveland railroad photos: http://www.clevelandmemory.org/cut-coll/index.htmlThere was also the West 130th Street yard where the CUT's big P1a electrics were repaired.  Not to mention the Erie, Nickel Plate and B&O facilities all over the city.

Trains, trains, wonderful trains.  The more you get, the more you toot!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    September 2014
  • 1,180 posts
Posted by ROBERT WILLISON on Monday, November 14, 2016 11:26 AM

Penny, it would be awesome if you could share the NYC round house in cle. Not many have pictures of the facility.

 

  • Member since
    June 2002
  • 20,096 posts
Posted by daveklepper on Monday, November 14, 2016 10:10 AM

Please post them and ask if anyone knows who the photgraphers are.  They will then serve a useful purpose for them as well as viewers.

  • Member since
    September 2010
  • From: Parma Heights Ohio
  • 3,442 posts
Posted by Penny Trains on Tuesday, November 1, 2016 6:57 PM

Backshop
NYC at Collinwood

Is it kosher to post scans of photos where the original photographer is unknown?  Because if it is I have arial photos of both the Collinwood and Linndale roundhouses.

Trains, trains, wonderful trains.  The more you get, the more you toot!  Big Smile

  • Member since
    November 2016
  • 1 posts
Posted by Railroad Tony on Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:50 PM

One I would add, the FEC Miller Shops north of St.Augustine, FL.

  • Member since
    March 2016
  • From: Burbank IL (near Clearing)
  • 13,540 posts
Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, November 1, 2016 7:09 AM

Al Perlman made a similar observation about Western Pacific after he became its president.  He noted that WP's brand-new Stockton shop was in the wrong place, it should have been at Oroville, where power was added for the crossing of the Sierras.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
  • Member since
    July 2016
  • 2,631 posts
Posted by Backshop on Monday, October 31, 2016 8:55 PM

Thanks everyone for your additions.  I've always found it unusual, that with certain exceptions like PRR at Altoona and NYC at Collinwood (to give two examples), the backshops were not usually co-located with major yards.

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • 30 posts
Posted by Georgia Observer on Monday, October 31, 2016 3:16 PM

Central of Georgia: Macon, Georgia

 

  • Member since
    September 2011
  • 6,449 posts
Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:12 PM

NYO&W, Middletown, NY.  Some of the buildings are still standing and re-purposed.

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: US
  • 25,292 posts
Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:51 PM

WM at one time had thier main shops at Union Bridge, MD

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

  • Member since
    August 2010
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,955 posts
Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:32 PM

How about Norfolk-Southern's ex PRR, ex Penn Central, ex Conrail Juniata Shops?

PRR, PC, CR are gone, but those shops are rockin' on!

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • 96 posts
Posted by Uncle Jake on Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:08 PM
UP in Cheyenne, WY
  • Member since
    March 2011
  • 64 posts
Posted by F.S. Adams on Monday, September 26, 2016 7:24 PM
CV. St Albans, VT
  • Member since
    January 2001
  • From: MP CF161.6 NS's New Castle District in NE Indiana
  • 2,148 posts
Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:54 PM

Wasn't Ann Arbor's in Owosso, MI?

Also PRR (Lines West) had a shop in Fort Wayne, IN capable of building locomotives.  The panhandle line had a shop in Logansport, IN, though this one may have been just a car shop, it still has both turntable and tranfer tables.  

Mike (2-8-2)
  • Member since
    July 2006
  • 4 posts
Posted by tcrail on Monday, September 12, 2016 11:35 PM

NYC-Depew, NY closed before WW2

  • Member since
    July 2016
  • 2,631 posts
Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:50 AM

The Virginian had their main backshop in Princeton, WV.

  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: Hamilton, Illinois
  • 46 posts
Posted by Dr Leonard on Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:57 PM

CP - Lyndonville, VT (I was taken through it as a small child).

  • Member since
    September 2011
  • 6,449 posts
Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:06 PM

Detroit & Mackinac, Tawas City, MI.  GT has large engine facilities at Battle Creek and Durand, MI.

  • Member since
    July 2016
  • 2,631 posts
Posted by Backshop on Friday, August 5, 2016 9:08 PM

Somehow, I forgot to list the C&O in Huntington, WV.

Two more Canadian shops were the NYC(CS) at St Thomas, ON and CN at Moncton, NB.  I know that there were backshops in Waycross, GA and Jacksonville, FL and one was SAL and the other ACL, but I don't know who had which one.

  • Member since
    December 2007
  • From: Georgia USA SW of Atlanta
  • 11,919 posts
Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, August 5, 2016 4:43 PM

SOU RR  Spenser and the Chattanooga shop that closed out SOU steam operations.

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Central Iowa
  • 6,901 posts
Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, August 4, 2016 1:48 PM

UP was in Omaha.  Hard to believe now what was once there.

CGW - Oelwein, IA.  Oelwein became the CNW's system diesel back shop. Some buildings may exist, but I know a couple have been torn down within the last 10 years. 

While Silvis became the system back shop for the RI in the modern steam (and diesel) era, there were other back shops in earlier times that handled major steam repairs and overhauls.  I would guess the same would apply to some of the other large railroads.  As power got bigger and money tighter, the economy of scale for one large backshop made more sense. 

Other RI back shops, some inherited from predecessor lines, include: Valley Jct (West Des Moines) IA, Trenton MO, Cedar Rapids (BCR&N) IA, Horton KS, Goodland KS, Chickasha OK,  Shawnee (CO&G) OK.  After the CO&G was fully absorbed into the RI, the Chickasha shop was closed in favor of the Shawnee shop.

At the beginning of the Depression, all but Silvis and Shawnee shops were phased out.  Shawnee was eventually replaced by a facility in El Reno.  El Reno eventually became the primary car shop for the system.

Some of the shop buildings for those smaller back shops may still exist.  One building at Valley Jct was for sale or lease a few years ago.  I think it's used (or was used) by a plumbing supply company.  Some of the Cedar Rapids complex may also survive, I haven't been back in that part of town for quite a while. 

Jeff 

  • Member since
    July 2016
  • 2,631 posts
Posted by Backshop on Thursday, August 4, 2016 7:19 AM

Here's a few more in the South and West, sorry I have been busy---

WP-Sacramento, SP-Sacramento, SP-Los Angeles, SP-Houston, AT&SF-Albuquerque, NM  AT&SF-San Bernardino, CA  AT&SF-Cleburne, TX  GN-Hillyard,(Spokane) WA  NP-Livingston, MT DRG&W-Burnham (Denver) CO  SR- Pegram (Atlanta) GA  SR- Coster (Knoxville) TN NC&STL- West Nashville, TN  CRR- Erwin, TN  GM&O- Iselin (Jackson), TN 

I'm short of ACL, SAL, UP, GN and NP.  Can anyone help there? 

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: At the Crossroads of the West
  • 11,013 posts
Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:26 AM

My father operated the locomotive crane in the ACL Tampa shop. After his death, my mother was able get a pass a year for herself and her dependent children from the ACL; the passes were good east of the Mississippi and south of the Ohio and Potomac rivers.

Johnny

  • Member since
    October 2013
  • 99 posts
Posted by nhrand on Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:54 AM

When Union Station in Pittsburgh was built the correct spelling was Pittsburg without an "h".

  • Member since
    December 2007
  • From: Georgia USA SW of Atlanta
  • 11,919 posts
Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, August 1, 2016 7:37 PM

Don't know much history but the Virginia Southwestern   ( VSW ) had a back shop in Bristol , Va.  Locally know as furnace bottom (s ?).  VSW was a line from Appalachia Va - Bristol, Va  ( connecting to SOU and  N&W )- Elizabethton, Tn ( connecting to ET&WNC ) to Mountain City, Tn.   VSW looked for connection to Roanoke beyond Mountain City but never went further.   Abandoned south of Bristol sometime after SOU RR took it over. 

VSW passenger trains always used the SOU / N&W station in Bristol, Va.

Back shop never had a turntable AFAIK but used a wye about 1/4 mile south.  After SOU RR takeover backshop sold to mine car manufacturing company.  SOU then used N&W roundhouse in Bristol,  Va. 

  • Member since
    October 2004
  • From: Allen, TX
  • 1,320 posts
Posted by cefinkjr on Monday, August 1, 2016 5:59 PM

samfp1943
... in Pittsburg (no"h' on the end) Sigh 

As far as I know, Pittsburgh, PA is the only one that's spelled properly (two guesses where I grew upWink) and it was misspelled there for a few years.  Unfortunately those few years included the years when PRR's Pittsburg Union Station was being built and the misspelling was literally in stone (OK, terra cotta).  As far as I know, the facade still has that misspelling.

Chuck
Allen, TX

  • Member since
    August 2010
  • From: Henrico, VA
  • 8,955 posts
Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, July 31, 2016 8:54 AM

And there's (or was) the Richmond, Fredericksburg and Potomac shop at the Acca Yard in Richmond VA.  The shop complex/engine terminal is still there but totally remodeled for diesel servicing. 

The old RF&P paint shop still stands, right across Tomlynn St. from the engine terminal, but it belongs to another unrelated business now.

Join our Community!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

Search the Community

Newsletter Sign-Up

By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy