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C&O allegheny #1601

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C&O allegheny #1601
Posted by oscaletrains on Monday, January 7, 2008 10:43 AM

I allways love going to the Henry Ford Museum, mainly becuse of the allegheny. (one of two left in exsistance) The locomotive has been so well preserved that it is still leaking lube oil 52 years after retirement! the question is... if some crazy railfan (with more money then he knows what to do with) was to fuel the allegheny, in its current condition, could it run? if not what would have to be done to do so? 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Monday, January 7, 2008 11:03 AM
 oscaletrains wrote:

I allways love going to the Henry Ford Museum, mainly becuse of the allegheny. (one of two left in exsistance) The locomotive has been so well preserved that it is still leaking lube oil 52 years after retirement! the question is... if some crazy railfan (with more money then he knows what to do with) was to fuel the allegheny, in its current condition, could it run? if not what would have to be done to do so? 

 The FRA requirements would prevent it from being steamed until the flues were replaced, the boiler and all of the appliances checked and repaired as needed and this would cost more than $1,500,000 in today's money.  After a boiler has been used for this length of time, rust has a strange way of causing major problems.  The flues normally are the biggest problem but the super heater pipes and the circulators and firebox area could be a major problem. 

The machinery would have be disasembled and checked also, but that portion of the engine would probably be decent shape if the engine had received class repairs shortly prior to retirement.   

It is a great dream, but one that is not likely.   The axle loading of the engine would prevent it from running on most tracks today.  Railroads have been reluctant recently for any steam engine to run on their tracks and this one would get special attention because of its weight.

I have seen this one at the Henry Ford museum and the 1604 in Baltimore.  They are impressive for sure.   I am grateful the C&O preserved these two and we can see them today. 

They are Lima's best.

 

    

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Posted by oscaletrains on Monday, January 7, 2008 2:06 PM
i too have seen 1604 in baltimore, i like the fact that you can sit in the cab of that one.
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Posted by dale8chevyss on Friday, February 29, 2008 9:53 AM

I'm going to this museum for the sole purpose of seeing this locomotive in a week or so--

 

 

Is it still there? 

 

 

 oscaletrains wrote:

I allways love going to the Henry Ford Museum, mainly becuse of the allegheny. (one of two left in exsistance) The locomotive has been so well preserved that it is still leaking lube oil 52 years after retirement! the question is... if some crazy railfan (with more money then he knows what to do with) was to fuel the allegheny, in its current condition, could it run? if not what would have to be done to do so? 

Modeling the N&W freelanced at the height of their steam era in HO.

 Daniel G.

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Posted by oscaletrains on Friday, February 29, 2008 5:28 PM

yeah,

its been there ever scinced it was retired.

 

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Posted by dale8chevyss on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:34 PM

Recap of my HFM experience: 

 

The farm equipment was neat. I liked the large stationary steam engines, it's fun to see that 300 HP was that big then and now it's under the hood of vehicles now.  I mainly enjoyed the RR exhibit (obviously).  I thought the large Allegheny was awesome.  HUGE power and equipment there.  I also really enjoyed the Red and black snow plow.  I was dissapointed that I could not go in any of them (makes sense thou why I can't).  HFM is also working on building stairs to the cab on the engineer's side so viewers can look inside.  They were currently blocked off with a folding wall; ie half of the tender and the trailing truck was hiddin on that side.  I could however see it from the other side, but still!  

 

Qwerks of the trip;  too Censored [censored] expensive!  14 dollars a ticket plus 5 for parking is HIGH I think.  I'm glad I got pictures (no sense repeating the same one below) so I don't have to go back for a while.  Otherwise, it was fun.  (BTW I'm a chevy guy and all that FORD crap almost made me puke (haha)

Modeling the N&W freelanced at the height of their steam era in HO.

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Posted by oscaletrains on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 5:34 PM

BAHHH!

did you see the letter from bonnie & clide saying how muched Henry Fords cars becuse the mads such great getaway cars?

have you gone to green feild village? lots of operating steam, a turntable, roundhouse (you can get a tour! Smile [:)]) and a station from Port Huron! (I love my towns history) just a great place.

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Posted by J. Edgar on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:25 PM
 had the family at the Henry Ford in Oct...the Village had steam threshing and such going on....and of course the machinery inside is spellbinding....one neat exhibit they had was the History of RVing including a model T canvas "pop-up" for the truck model
i love the smell of coal smoke in the morning Photobucket
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Posted by Dampfmann on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 PM
You should contact member "jr 611" and the two of you can share your pipe dreams of bringing old, venerable steamers back to life and back to the mainline. Face it boys, it ain't gonna happen-- unless individuals with REALLY deep pockets step forward. Perhaps the Saudis will express an interest. Of course, they might insist on converting coal burners to oil!

"Sincerely,"

Martin

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