Thanks for the great postings. At age 2 to 6, my family lived on southern edge of Hamilton, near the tracks. My father worked in Keokuk and due to WW2 he walked on the rail level because the highway approach was much longer. I remember the covered road bridge on the approach. At last I have found some pics at this web site for bridge #42http://www.hamiltonillinois.org/Final%20Photo%20Album/Historical/index.html
engineer wrote:Here is some additional information to the ferry crossing at Ste.Genevieve, MO. There was a ferry that crossed the Mississippi from Thomure, MO to Kellog, IL. (I don't belive Thomure exists anymore) This line started life as the Illinois-Southern RR. It ran from Bismarck,MO to Centralia,IL. It was later named the Mike 'n Ike, (MoPac), and it is still there, on the MO side, with ownership being the Union Pacific. Also, a couple of miles south of that, there was a ferry crossing around Chester,IL. It was located at the Northern end of the Louis Houck Railroad. Officially known as the "Cape Girardeau Northern" I do not remember that station's name anymore. But, the ferry crossed from here to Chester.
Engineer, the town on the Missouri side was called Claryville, but is now called West Chester. You can call it anything you want because there's nothing there anymore. There is a highway bridge crossing the river at this point and some good activity on the UP on the Illinois side. I've done some research on the CGN and don't believe they ever crossed the river. In fact, they used that line so little that the grass grew over it and the farmers pulled the ties out to use for retaining walls and other projects.
The town, (again no town left) of McBride is on the BNSF (ex-Frisco) in front of the bluff.
Also the Mike 'n Ike was officially the Missouri-Illinois, and they still run from Thomure (a few houses) up into Bonne Terre. They have a heck of a grade coming south out of Bonne Terre and I have some photos of a short train climbing the hill at walking speed.
Thanks for the interesting post (I'm a long-time Trains subscriber, but just found this forum today). We visited Keithsburg July 5, 1981, the day the 220 foot vertical lift span was to be demolished. Unfortunately, there were some delays with placing all the charges and we had to leave for home before the structure was blown.
I took the picture: http://i3.tinypic.com/5zfd8aw.jpg when we returned to Keithsburg 10 years later in 1991. The gap shown in the picture is wider than the 220 feet that the lift span once bridged; when the lift span fell into the river it also dislodged the adjacent fixed span. That span and its pier were removed a few years later to improve river navigation. One can also see in the pictures the piers from an earlier railroad bridge.
Opa. Thanks for the post. If you visit Keithsburg again you will see this.
The bridge is in the background.
Hi, Bob,
Thanks for the picture. Now where have I seen one of these engines before? Hmmm. Oh, here it is:
I recently sold the engine. I'm 76 and the time has come to clear the display shelves and thin out my collection of Lionel postwar equipment. My heirs wouldn't have a clue as to what to do with all my stuff. I'm hanging on to some of the trains on my layout, though. Even old boys need some toys.
I live in eastern Iowa and perhaps this fall we'll make another trip to Keithsburg. But although it's not all that far, it's not the easiest place to get to. First we head east, crossing the Mississippi at Davenport; then turn south for about 40 miles and finally go west for about 20 miles to get back to the river at Keithsburg.
I spend time in several forums but I'm not used to this one. Is there a way when I post a reply that I can link my reply post to the one that I'm replying to?
Opahujo wrote: Hi, Bob, Thanks for the picture. Now where have I seen one of these engines before? Hmmm. Oh, here it is: I recently sold the engine. I'm 76 and the time has come to clear the display shelves and thin out my collection of Lionel postwar equipment. My heirs wouldn't have a clue as to what to do with all my stuff. I'm hanging on to some of the trains on my layout, though. Even old boys need some toys. I live in eastern Iowa and perhaps this fall we'll make another trip to Keithsburg. But although it's not all that far, it's not the easiest place to get to. First we head east, crossing the Mississippi at Davenport; then turn south for about 40 miles and finally go west for about 20 miles to get back to the river at Keithsburg. I spend time in several forums but I'm not used to this one. Is there a way when I post a reply that I can link my reply post to the one that I'm replying to?
spokyone wrote: Opahujo wrote: Hi, Bob, Thanks for the picture. Now where have I seen one of these engines before? Hmmm. Oh, here it is: I recently sold the engine. I'm 76 and the time has come to clear the display shelves and thin out my collection of Lionel postwar equipment. My heirs wouldn't have a clue as to what to do with all my stuff. I'm hanging on to some of the trains on my layout, though. Even old boys need some toys. I live in eastern Iowa and perhaps this fall we'll make another trip to Keithsburg. But although it's not all that far, it's not the easiest place to get to. First we head east, crossing the Mississippi at Davenport; then turn south for about 40 miles and finally go west for about 20 miles to get back to the river at Keithsburg. I spend time in several forums but I'm not used to this one. Is there a way when I post a reply that I can link my reply post to the one that I'm replying to?Just click on the quote box that is next to the reply button, like I just did. As you drive east on I-80 you pass the rest stop. Next exit is 38 South. Follow business route 61 in Muscatine. You will see the bridge and hiway 92 on your left. Cross the bridge and turn right at the church, then left at the stop sign on Hiway 17. Then turn right, (south) where the sign says Keithsburg. This way saves a lot of miles. Then you can continue south and go through Burlington IA on your way back.Thanks for the tip. I'm quite familiar with hwy 38 to Muscatine, but I had never considered the road that runs south on the other side of the river in the direction of New Boston. That route looks a lot shorter.
Thanks for the tip. I'm quite familiar with hwy 38 to Muscatine, but I had never considered the road that runs south on the other side of the river in the direction of New Boston. That route looks a lot shorter.
Brian (IA) http://blhanel.rrpicturearchives.net.
BTW, Dale, I got another shot of #33 at Dubuque a couple of weeks back from a different angle, complete with train...
blhanel wrote: complete with train...
As it should be ! Thanks, Brian.
blhanel wrote: to the Trains.com forum, Opahujo, from another Eastern Iowan!
Brian, thanks for the welcome. Check out the UP challenger (near Mechanicsville, Aug.1996) in my Sig. Sorry about the fuzzyness of the scanned photograph.
nanaimo73 wrote:FERRY-The Missouri-Illinois Railroad operated in Illinois and in Missouri andconnected here by boat. Service was from Ste. Genevieve, Missouri to Kellogg,Illinois between 1902 and July 18, 1961. Bridge #51 was then used until the M-I was merged into the Missouri Pacific.Terraserver Googlemap M-I article
FERRY-The Missouri-Illinois Railroad operated in Illinois and in Missouri andconnected here by boat. Service was from Ste. Genevieve, Missouri to Kellogg,Illinois between 1902 and July 18, 1961. Bridge #51 was then used until the M-I was merged into the Missouri Pacific.Terraserver Googlemap M-I article
We recently used this ferry from Illinois to MO. Ste. Genevieve is a preserved historic downtown area with many stone buildings being used as offices & gift shops etc. On the Illinois side, UP has tracks that are gated through the levee. When needed, a forklift places the concrete slabs in the guides. I did not notice where the old ROW would have been on the MO side, where it connected to the present BNSF tracks. Here is a couple of pics to share.
Approaching Missouri.
nanaimo73 wrote:FERRY-This run was between the St. Louis & Iron Mountain (later Missouri Pacific)at Belmont, Missouri over to the Mobile and Ohio in Columbus, Kentucky.Ferry service ended on this route during 1911.Terraserver Googlemap
nanaimo73 wrote:Memphis - Harahan The next two bridges are beside each other at Memphis, along with the Interstate 55 bridge. Bridge #52 is the Harahan bridge, the former Arkansas and Memphis Railway Bridge and Terminal Company (Missouri Pacific, Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern) bridge. This was opened in 1916 and is now used by Union Pacific. To the west the Union Pacific line at Briark Junction splits with the former Missouri Pacific line heading west for Bald Knob and the former Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific line (used by Cotton Belt) heads southwest for Brinkley and (formerly) Little Rock. To the east is IC Crossing, where the MP, CRI&P, SSW and SLSF lines met Illinois Central's north-south mainline. This IC line is now Canadian National, and is used by Amtrak's City of New Orleans. Five of the 11 diamonds are still located at IC Junction.Terraserver WikiMapia Googlemap article article Bridgehunter Wikipedia Photos Photo Photos Photos 61 b/w photos of these bridges can be seen on the following website by searching "mississippi bridge" and going to #14 http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/ Passenger- The Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific ran passenger trains over Harahan Bridge until November 10, 1967. Traffic- moderate (40 to 60 GMT)Bridge type- fixed.Memphis - Frisco Bridge #53 is the Frisco Bridge, opened in May of 1892 for the Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis. The KCFS&M became part of the St. Louis-San Francisco. SLSF joined Burlington Northern in 1980 and is now BNSF. The third bridge here is Interstate 55.To the west is Bridge Junction, where the BNSF (SLSF) line crosses over the UP and heads northwest. After 20 miles this line separates at River Junction with one line going to St. Louis and the other to Springfield. To the east is IC Crossing, which is now a Canadian National mainline used by Amtrak's City of New Orleans. Terraserver WikiMapia Googlemap article article Bridgehunter ASCE article Wikipedia Photo Photos Photos Passenger- The last St. Louis-San Francisco passenger train using the bridgeoperated on December 9, 1967. Traffic- heavy (60 to 100 GMT)Bridge type- fixed
Memphis - Harahan The next two bridges are beside each other at Memphis, along with the Interstate 55 bridge. Bridge #52 is the Harahan bridge, the former Arkansas and Memphis Railway Bridge and Terminal Company (Missouri Pacific, Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific, and St. Louis Southwestern) bridge. This was opened in 1916 and is now used by Union Pacific. To the west the Union Pacific line at Briark Junction splits with the former Missouri Pacific line heading west for Bald Knob and the former Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific line (used by Cotton Belt) heads southwest for Brinkley and (formerly) Little Rock. To the east is IC Crossing, where the MP, CRI&P, SSW and SLSF lines met Illinois Central's north-south mainline. This IC line is now Canadian National, and is used by Amtrak's City of New Orleans. Five of the 11 diamonds are still located at IC Junction.Terraserver WikiMapia Googlemap article article Bridgehunter Wikipedia Photos Photo Photos Photos 61 b/w photos of these bridges can be seen on the following website by searching "mississippi bridge" and going to #14 http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/ Passenger- The Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific ran passenger trains over Harahan Bridge until November 10, 1967. Traffic- moderate (40 to 60 GMT)Bridge type- fixed.
Memphis - Frisco Bridge #53 is the Frisco Bridge, opened in May of 1892 for the Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis. The KCFS&M became part of the St. Louis-San Francisco. SLSF joined Burlington Northern in 1980 and is now BNSF. The third bridge here is Interstate 55.To the west is Bridge Junction, where the BNSF (SLSF) line crosses over the UP and heads northwest. After 20 miles this line separates at River Junction with one line going to St. Louis and the other to Springfield. To the east is IC Crossing, which is now a Canadian National mainline used by Amtrak's City of New Orleans. Terraserver WikiMapia Googlemap article article Bridgehunter ASCE article Wikipedia Photo Photos Photos Passenger- The last St. Louis-San Francisco passenger train using the bridgeoperated on December 9, 1967. Traffic- heavy (60 to 100 GMT)Bridge type- fixed
Nice pitures, Bob. Thanks for posting them.
Some day I will have to complete my travels, and tour the River south from Dubuque.
Thanks for the heads up, John.
You have done some pretty good work.
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This was recently posted on the IC Yahoo Group-
Norco, LA - Friday April 11West of New Orleans, the Army Corps of Engineers opened the flood gates of the Bonnet Carrie Spillway today to divert water from the swollen Mississippi River into Lake Pontchartrain.Three railroad trestles pass over the spillway - the CN McComband Baton Rouge subs, and the KCS New Orleans sub. On anyother day, the spillway is a great area to drive down into to takepictures of trains. Since the gates have been open, the area,which is also frequented by many people in various outdooractivities, is now under several feet or more of water.The gate opening is a big event in that they've only been openedseveral times since the spillway's structure was built in the early 30's. I went out today to take pictures, and DID happen to catch the first trains to cross the spillway after the noon gate opening. There are no operational restrictions that I know of for trains while the gates are open.Photos:KCS New Orleans Sub trestle:http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122248Normally there is a dirt road next to the trestle, but it is now underwater. The gates had only been open about 45 minutes. I cameback a few hours later, and it was noticeably higher. The flood gateswill be open for 2-3 weeks, and eventually the water will be riseto several feet of the trestle deck.CN train M31971 was one of the first to cross the spillway about 40 minutes after gate opening. Power on today's train was CN C40-8M 2429 and CN 5789 SD75I. CN 2429:http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122249M31971 making its way across the trestle. *Most of the vegetationin the photos will be under water within a week:http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122250http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122252http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122254The next across was a CN loaded grain train with BNSF hoppers:http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122255After leaving the spillway, I ran across Gateway Eastern 2000GP38-2 stopped next to the KCS yard office in Norco, LA:http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122256http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1122257Shawn - Amite, LA
I hope the folks at Kalmbach can figure out how to fix this. This thread and the Iowa Counties thread are my two all-time favorites.
blhanelI hope the folks at Kalmbach can figure out how to fix this. This thread and the Iowa Counties thread are my two all-time favorites.
I have our tech guys looking into why the original post (and all the good info) was cut off during the transfer to the new forum platform.
Erik
I'm happy to report that the first post is back in its entirety.
Bergie
I really love the photo! Great job!
Even though this Original Post dates to July of 2005; It is a compilation of some very thorough research, and tremendous effort by Nanaimo 73 ( Dale )
I had thought it lost in the Changes of Format, and Enhancements of features of the FORUM.
It is a pleasure to see it back, and I would hope that others will also find it a terrific body of reference materials.
Recent research on the Birds Point, Missouri to Cairo, Illinois carfloat operation has revealed that it may have remained open for business until the very late 1920s. This was a Missouri Pacific car ferry with Cotton Belt as a tenant. The Cairo Mississippi River Highway Bridge opened in 1929. The Cotton Belt line to Birds Point was abandoned in late 1938. The Missouri Pacific line to Birds Point was abandoned March 31, 1942.
Two comments from Louisiana:
1) The bridge at Baton Rouge:
a) replaced two car (carfloat) ferries; one at Angola to Lettsworth? (L&A / KCS), one at Baton Rouge (now lost in the Exxon refinery) to Anchorage, near Port Allen (Misouri Pacific)
b) is a single track with a 4 lane highway cantilevered on the outside of the RR thru truss
c) is (allegedly deliberately) too low for ocean going shipping
2) The bridge at New Orleans:
a) replaced a car ferry New Orleans to Algeris (SPRR)
b) is a double track with originally a 4 (very narrow) lane highway cantilevered on the outside of the RR thru truss, but recently the highway rebuilt to 6 modern design highway lanes, requiring add on thru trusses on either side of the RR
c) is high enough for ocean going shipping to pass
d) terminates on the West (south) bank at Bridge City/Avondale (not Gretna)
from the Far East of the Sunset Route
(In the shadow of the Huey P Long bridge)
A belated addition to the list of Mississippi River crossings...
Along the Mississippi River segment between Memphis and Vicksburg, one additional river crossing existed. Between approximately 1885 and 1890, a double track transfer boat operated between Arkansas City AR and Huntington MS. The steamer Marion is identified in Missouri Pacific-Iron Mountain annual reports of that period as operating between those points and also described as being owned by the Little Rock & Fort Smith (owner of the Little Rock, Mississippi River & Texas), the Iron Mountain, and the Louisville, New Orleans & Texas (predecessor of the later Yazoo & Mississippi Valley.)
This route briefly carried a Railway Post Office across the river (the Little Rock & Leland RPO) and also a Pullman sleeping car line which operated St. Louis to New Orleans via Little Rock, Arkansas City, Huntington, Vicksburg and New Orleans. Once Jay Gould consolidated his holdings in the area, and completed a line into Alexandria LA with "Gould system" connections to New Orleans, the ferry operation was soon discontinued.
Bill Pollard
Since this thread has been 'bumped', I have a note (that requires some amplification or confirmation from someone like Johnny Degges who knows the full details).
It was noted early on that the bridge crossings from St. Louis south are at high level. Something I would note is that, in the Memphis area, when ferry crossings were used prior to 1892, railroads terminated to the northwest of the city, where the approach is low-grade almost right to the river (indeed, right to the river at its right 'stage') whereas the present bridges are at the top of the 'bluffs' considerably south, near the elevation of both Central Station and the site of Union Station, where the high-level crossing involves little elevation change on the east bank. Several of the ROWs to the ferries still survive, either in truncated operation or as visible traces of track or grading.
arkrail A belated addition to the list of Mississippi River crossings... Along the Mississippi River segment between Memphis and Vicksburg, one additional river crossing existed. Between approximately 1885 and 1890, a double track transfer boat operated between Arkansas City AR and Huntington MS. The steamer Marion is identified in Missouri Pacific-Iron Mountain annual reports of that period as operating between those points and also described as being owned by the Little Rock & Fort Smith (owner of the Little Rock, Mississippi River & Texas), the Iron Mountain, and the Louisville, New Orleans & Texas (predecessor of the later Yazoo & Mississippi Valley.) This route briefly carried a Railway Post Office across the river (the Little Rock & Leland RPO) and also a Pullman sleeping car line which operated St. Louis to New Orleans via Little Rock, Arkansas City, Huntington, Vicksburg and New Orleans. Once Jay Gould consolidated his holdings in the area, and completed a line into Alexandria LA with "Gould system" connections to New Orleans, the ferry operation was soon discontinued. Bill Pollard
I think that was,in part, the Pullman and RPO connections, mentioned.
As it[M&NA] went across Arkansas, it ran to a connection at Seligman, Mo. with the SLSF [via a connection from Hot Springs, Ar.]; also connections with SLSW(CottonBelt)/SP near Brinkley, Ar. and MoPac near Helena(?) Ar.
The M&NA has a somewhat 'checkered' and 'troubled' history; because of ROW and Construction issues; it had a repoutaion, localy, as "the MAY NEVER ARRIVE" certainly, not a reputation, contributing to a scheduled passenger operation.
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