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Trackside with Erik and Mike, Vol. 70

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Trackside with Erik and Mike, Vol. 70
Posted by Bergie on Monday, April 23, 2007 11:11 AM
I just posted the latest installment of Trackside with Erik and Mike in our new section within the Railroad Reference area of TrainsMag.com. 

Read Trackside with Erik and Mike Volume 70

Voting for Trackside with Erik and Mike now occures at the top of the Trackside with Erik and Mike section. Click here to vote.

Please add your comments regarding this week's photos here.

Thanks, Erik

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Monday, April 23, 2007 11:24 AM

I voted for Erik's sunset picture.  It's a great sunset and nicely positioned over the train.  I like Mike's picture with the rainbow on the left balancing the train on the right, but for me the gray sky is just not as pretty as the sunset.

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Posted by cpprfld on Monday, April 23, 2007 11:35 AM
Darn, I wasn't the first to post on this thread. Both photos are great, but I liked Mike's better because of rainbow in the distance.
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Posted by blhanel on Monday, April 23, 2007 11:36 AM

After much angst, I went with Eric's as well.  Extremely tough choice- both are outstanding.

As far as the contest rules go, Eric, I certainly won't disagree with you- it sounds like good common sense given the personal time investment you guys have to put into this.  My CRS disease is kicking in here- are either of you married?

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Posted by wallyworld on Monday, April 23, 2007 12:02 PM
Ill wade into the ocean of subjectivity..I chose Mike's due to an incorporation of a strong sense of place, as with Erik's..it may be my failing eyesight or the size of the image but it appeared to be overly underexposed in appearance without much definition of contrast, which could be helped with processing..although I dont find it objectionable..it isn't as defined as graphically as Mikes. 

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Posted by zardoz on Monday, April 23, 2007 12:27 PM

Wow, what a tough choice this week.  Especially since I am prejudiced towards any train shot that also includes a weather factor. 

Mike will soon be discovering that there are times to use an ultra-wide angle, and there are times to NOT use it. When using a super-wide it is so very important WHERE your subject is in the frame.

Without the ultra-wide distortion, I might have gone with Mike's shot.

Erik's shot had an ethereal quality to it, as well as nicely conveying the immensity of the landscape in to which the train seems to be heading.  It almost looks like a well-drawn water-color painting.

Erik gets the nod this week.

 

p.s. As someone who shares the frustration of Mike and Erik in trying to get a nice image this time of year in Wisconsin, I fully support the idea of using any image that you have available and are willing to share.  My only qualifier to the previous statement would be that perhaps Erik and Mike agree, in the interest of fairness, to show somewhat vaguely similar photos each time (i.e. night shots, or yard shots, wedgie shots, etc). 

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, April 23, 2007 12:52 PM

Like others have said, for me it was a tough choice.  I liked both pictures.  Here's why:

The rain/UP shot was neat to catch the color of the rainbow against the bleak sky and the color of the locos/train against the bleak ground.  The drops distract from the initial appearance at first, but after reflecting they actually help to tell the story of working day in/day out despite mother nature.  I guess they balanced each other to me.

The sun/valley shot did convey a sense of serenity and yet expansiveness.  The fact that this shot doesn't have visible paint schemes thus making it 'fair' in the asthetic sense of a train in its environs.  The train seems like it just belongs there.  Almost as if to look to the horizon (future) and pause, then continue on its journey.  Not quite a Zen moment but it's neat.

So where does my vote lie?  I haven't made up my mind yet.

 

I do like the concept of quality vs. timeliness as far as the contest goes.  Personally I'll look at this thread regardless of when whatever was taken.  Thanks for the good work guys!

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, April 23, 2007 1:11 PM

Another toughie this week. 

But Mike wins for me.  I really like the almost cold quality of the whole picture.  Rain is usually warm, but not in this picture. 

Eric's was a little bright for my eyes.  But since it was something I am used to seeing a lot, that made it a comfortable picture!

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Posted by emmar on Monday, April 23, 2007 2:07 PM

Stop making this so hard! How am I supposed to decide between two photos like that. I guess the only solution is to vote for both. Mischief [:-,] (Oh wait I don't think I'm allowed to do that).

Good job both of you.Bow [bow]

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, April 23, 2007 2:08 PM

 

.....Must go with Mikes bad threatening weather shot....Don't like scenes such as this but we're trying to evaluate a photograph against another.  This scene shows drama...bad weather...rainbow....impressive UP train approaching almost like it's trying to outrun the weather system...

I appreciate the effort for Erick's shot but believe I must vote as I did over the two available photos. 

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Posted by PBenham on Monday, April 23, 2007 4:03 PM
Hmmm.. I like Mike's rainbow shot over the sunset pic. It's ahead as I write this, but as the voter that Blindfold [X-)] is the jinx ( sorry-?-Mike) it is probably just as well no $$ is on the line.Evil [}:)]
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Posted by asnjoe24 on Monday, April 23, 2007 4:31 PM

Once again, another immensely difficult choice for me this week; what can be more stunning than pictures like these!

With the weight equal, Mike's UP rainbow rainscape picture tips the scales just a tiny bit more in his direction just because more detail of the train's paint scheme is visible (whereas the BNSF train in Erik's photo is in deep shadow). There is also something about thunderstorm clouds against the light of the sun that has always intrigued me. The raindrops on the lens are a bit of a distraction, I feel, but this is a minor thing.

I especially like how Erik's photo gives the impression of BNSF "riding off into the sunset." The BN SD70MAC in the "Executive" paint scheme (third engine in the consist) is a nice little rare detail, also (I've only see those once in my region, when an empty DP unit coal passed through on its way eastbound through Glorieta around March of 2005; two of the lead engines were former "Executives"). Those were also a part of Mike's Powder River photo from Vol. 69, but they were in the distance and difficult to see in detail.

With regards to Erik's policy, I like it. I agree that the photos should be based on quality, no matter how old they are. Finding the time to get out regularly to railfan and get can be difficult, and we should be considerate that Erik and Mike take their own time to do as much as possible when they can for the column. I know that I'm not able to get out as much as I'd like, and my pictures don't even come out half as good as Mike and Erik's!

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Posted by Noah Hofrichter on Monday, April 23, 2007 5:01 PM

As others have said, definately a tough choice this week! Both photos are very good, and it's not easy to decide. In the end I went with Mike's rainbow shot though, mainly because I see a lot of sunset shots but not very many rainbow shots!

Again, nice job to both of you,

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, April 23, 2007 5:04 PM

Interesting that both shots are dark and gray.

Erik, you have my empathy, but not the vote.  To me that's just a beautiful scene darkly lit, with a dark train in the foreground.  Had I been there for a couple of hours, and seen this as the conclusion of a great day of train-watching, I might have felt more compelled to vote for it.

But since this is a photo contest, I have this strange belief that the subject should be able to be seen.  So Mike gets the vote this time.

Thankful that we didn't see any rainbows or many storm clouds on our trip out west,

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Posted by edblysard on Monday, April 23, 2007 5:25 PM

Wow,

Serious coin toss here....

Wait a second, let me get the kids to look at them and see which one they thinks says "train" better.

 

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Posted by edblysard on Monday, April 23, 2007 5:31 PM

Well,

They both say Mike gets their vote...

And both for the same reason.

Erik's photo is to "artsy" for them...they both though it was a painting or something from a calendar...go figure...

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 23, 2007 6:21 PM
I just had to go with Mike's UP rainbow shot!  the low angle.. the cloudy backround, even the drops on the lens all added up to shouting out trains in all conditions.  Eric, although I liked 2/3rds of your shot, sadly the 1/3rd I didnt care for was the lower portion because you could barely make out the units heading away from you.  Liked the clouds, the sunset, the treeline.. just not the shadowy train.  Great work you guys!!  btw Mike, your UP shot almost looks like it was computer generated and not an actual photo.  giving it a sureal look.
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Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 23, 2007 6:41 PM

A couple very interesting shots this week, gentleman. It was a tough choice.

Mike, I struggled with your shot for a long time. I had a terrible time resolving the raindrops on the lens. On the one hand, it's sort of artsy and blends into the shot. On the other hand, it's raindrops on a lens. In the end, I decided that I like the effect, but I also don't think it added enough to overcome Erik's shot.

Erik, your shot has a lot going for it. For starters, it's just a nice "glint" shot that works well. Beyond that though, it's a technically sound photo. You didn't center the horizon, which I think is on of the biggest mistakes in a shot like this. You exposed just enough to catch a tiny bit of detail in the locos. The sun is going a little wild (probably partially because of sensor bloom), but it's tamed by the intriguing clouds, and the silhouetted trees. The tracks curving out of the frame lead the viewer through the frame. Taking the image as a whole, I think you've done a marvelous job of blending the train into it's environment. It's what the late Gray Benson would've called a "Trainscape."

Personally, I think this is one of your best ever in this competition. I think you should talk to Jim Wrinn and get this one published in the Trackside Photographs section of the magazine. Absolutely stunning!

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Posted by mandelswamp on Monday, April 23, 2007 7:43 PM
Maybe it is just my computer screen but Erik's picture came across so dark that the details of the train and the trees were not viewable.  The sunset was nicely presented but the main subject, the train was not.  Mike's shot showed off the UP train very well and the rainbow was a nice touch.  The rain drops on the lens seemed to make the sky appear dimpled.  I haven't figured out if I like that look or not.  Mike got my vote this week primarily because I found Erik's submittal way too dark for my tastes.
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Posted by 88gta350 on Monday, April 23, 2007 8:21 PM
wow!  Really hard to chose this week!  Both great, original photos.  In the end I chose Mike's photo because I thought it was a little more original... a shot you don't see everyday.  And the rainbow was cool.
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Posted by gemotor on Monday, April 23, 2007 9:10 PM
Outstanding entries this month, gentlemen.  I heartily approve your new policy - show us your best.  Ah yes, the vote.  Mike gets it this month, raindrops and all.  Very nice composition, but I have to confess it looks a lot like home.  That's territory I tramped around in years ago when it was E9s and GTELs and SD45s and loose boxcars from everywhere and yellow streamliners.  Despite being a wedgie, Mike's photo is one I could enjoy looking at for a long time.  But Mike, why so much foreground?  Getting used to a new super-wide lens, perhaps?  Erik, it's a wonderful photo of a sunset.  Too bad there wasn't a cloud off to the east to throw a little light on the side of the locomotives.  As it is, a little over half of the photo is dark territory.  As one of you commented in a previous "Trackside", maybe it doesn't look so dark on your screen, but if I lighten up my screen, the sunset washes out.  A little Photoshop work might cure that.  I'm looking forward to more of your work, both of you.
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Posted by gapotter09 on Monday, April 23, 2007 9:30 PM

You fellows are causing some of us to make some hard decisions.  When I vote, it is based on the overall content of the pictures and the intent the " pho-tog " attempted to capture.  In this weeks case, It became very dificult to chose.  Keep up the good work.....

p.s. old pictures may be good, but I believe the challenge is to go for more and learn, based upon what we alreay have in the file.  There are never enough pictures of railroads.

 

 

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Posted by da Milwaukee beerNut on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:18 AM
In order to win - the road at the end of the lens should be identifiable. Sorry, Erik - but, even with my LCD iMac 17" wide monitor - da sun croaked too soon for your dark-side shot. Kinda like my NiMh camera batteries - {grab an alkaline AA quartet as a back-up.}

Mike - while the rainbow and train bisect the shot - and the TRAIN is not prominent [as in most submissions] - its RR reality. It rains on RR's - affecting traction - and on rail photogs.
Couldn't photoshop those droplets into your frame [I s'poze if you were REALLY patient, ya could]- but the Creator did a fine job. Hood-schmood. It's called the "water of life" for a reason!

Rainbows and trains ROCK - blessed to catch a double rainbow ending in a NB red-light train on Byron Hill. But its not my column! : > } Did perplex the waiting crew!

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Posted by ValorStorm on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:26 AM
Tough choice. I chose Erik's by a nose. Here's an observation: As most votes right now are for Mike's fantastic photo, it seems to signal an end to the inane UP bashing that seemed to encumber every thread.
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Posted by fuzzybroken on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:46 AM

When I first saw the tiny versions of the shots, the raindrops on the lens stood out like a sore thumb Thumbs Up [tup] ...  But after looking at both shots a bit, I decided I liked Mike's shot a bit more.  Unfortunately, Erik's shot was just a little too dark -- but it would have worked well for the end of a photo album or slide show with some other photos of the day's action.

I do like Milwaukee beerNut's comments... Wink [;)]
 

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Posted by pawbase on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:46 AM
Sunset vs Rainbow! I voted for the Rainbow - but it was a tough choice.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:45 AM
I really liked both shots. The rain drops on the lens are actually a blessing in the case of Mike's shot in that it conveys the reality of the rainbow and prevents the shot from being just another wedge, but with a rainbow. One the other hand I really appreciated the shot that Erik had from the standpoint that it wasn't just a train picture, but a train/scenic/artistic shot (if that makes any sense) I swear sometimes you guys compare photos before deciding what to post, so that you can pair up shots that make for a hard choice. In this case I really stuggled with a decision, but ultimately went with the sunset shot, based largely on which one "felt" better to me as I clicked back and forth between the tow of them. Good job to both.
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Posted by Chris Owens on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:27 AM
I really enjoyed both shots. but, I voted for the UP Shot
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Posted by LVJJJ on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:01 PM

I like Mike's, it has the big-sky-wide-open-spaces-gotta-get-outta-here-cause-there's-a-storm-a-comin' feel.  Had Erik's been a sunrise, I'da picked it. 

When this Trackside competition started, I thot it was supposed to feature photo's taken within the past week or two.  We can look at real professional photo work in Train's zene, so I'd rather see what you two can do under pressure.  Larry of the NW 

  

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Posted by NYC on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:58 PM

There you guys go again.  Two excellent shots.  I don't think the raindrops on the lens are a distraction.  Adds to the character of the photo.  Rainbow, though not the best I've seen adds another weather spectrum to the picture.  

Both picture's showcase Ma nature's beauty along with the strength of man-made machinery.  Did you guys plan this.

 Sunset shot is also fantastic.  Train riding off into the evening, great picture, great story, but I've got to go with the rain and the rainbow.

  

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