chad thomas wrote: I would say the ice on which he stands has been cracking up for a long time. Allan, it's fools like you that give railfans a bad name. Do us all a big favor and find another hobby.
I would say the ice on which he stands has been cracking up for a long time.
Allan, it's fools like you that give railfans a bad name. Do us all a big favor and find another hobby.
Dittos!! I told him yesterday morning that he doesn't need to talk to ANYONE in the manner in which he implied. I got an e-mail response from him, the contents of which I will not repeat, but it was most certainly uncalled for. And while it is not too late for him to make an apology to all of us for his behavior, I doubt that he's man enough to do it.
CANADIANPACIF2816
Snickers wow what a loon! I am ashamed he likes my road ( I also have jewish friends who would say oy-vey! to this knuckle head) So anyways this is sad the way legal issues are going ga ga. No offence to any soldiers out there but two guys claiming to be that stupid not to know that those wires were dangerous and we give them M-16's?
We had a case here that made dateline ( Adrianne Reynolds murder in the Quad Cities) and the main suspect (the male one) claimed he was too stupid to understand what Guilty meant! Makes me want to drag people like this out in the street cover em in peanut butter and let the ddogs loose!
Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train
Highjacked the topic badly did we?
SIGH.
That money can never relieve the punishment sustained by the injuries inflicted by the electric wires.
I am not happy with the verdict against the railroad as it sends a wrong message to others who might consider trespassing to get a jackpot.
Whatever happened to the railcar below the trespassers after the nuking started? Did the voltage to into ground or along the rails and other cars until it disappaited?
I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail....
The current would eventually find a ground through the spikes and tie plates.
stmtrolleyguy wrote:If we increased the voltage in the lnes, this lawsuit would have solved itself.I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but these two kids (and I do mean kids) did something stupid. You don't just go climb up the side of some random tractor trailer do you? I know these lessons are ones that you can only learn once, but there are limits.The only other thing I could see is reducing the cash award, but having the railroad spend it on sinage warning of high current in the overhead catenary. It may be pointless, and, assuming the boys are telling the truth, that they didn't know, good, that settles that. And if they really did know better....a few million that could have been theirs, going instead to some signs they would have ignored anyway....now that would be torture.
In the old truck stop in Jersey City they do climb up there while you're asleep in the bunk. A quick cut of a power tool and they are in and no one the wiser until after breakfast. If yer smart you waited until you were in either Connecticut or Delaware before sleeping.
In a grim way, I second the power boost. I prefer those lines to hum and crackle threatening to fry anyone dumb enough to get up there. Pass a construction zone in the highway and pass multitudes of "POWER LINE" warning signs positioned precisely under each and every line.
It was stated earlier in the thread that one of the people overcame thier injuries to join the US Army and serve overseas. Did I read that right?
solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail....
It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might have occurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary.
Jay Potter
JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail.... It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might have occurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary. Jay Potter
And I'm sure there were plenty of amps available, too (hundreds, thousands?). If they had solidly contacted the conductor, and had a good path to ground, they would have ended up looking like "Debbie" in the movie "Addams Family Values."
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vsmith wrote: Now maybe I'm just uninformed about these things but are there or are there not NO TRESPASSING signs usually posted along RR ROWs, and isnt there an inherent understanding that climbing on top of someones elses RR cars is a clear violation of said trespassing laws, and is again inherently very dangerous in its own right, and that knowingly trespassing on top of these cars on an electrified ROW was not only trespassing but also not just dangerous but insanely dangerous? Either the RR needs a new legal team or the courts need to stop pooling jury members from the Jerry Springer Show audience... Is common sense dead in America?, Was Mike Judge right in his latest film? Are we truely on our way from Democracy to Idiocracy? Appeal...now!
One would normally say "Yes". Unfortunately, many of the "normal" rules don't seem to apply (or be enforced) in PA.
LC
Bergie:
How many times are you going to lock Allen's account for a week? This has been going on for years with him, and is the reason I quit coming back. These one week slaps on the wrist have done nothing. You know as well as I that he'll quiet down for a while, then start up with the same old stuff again.
mike
clarkbar04 wrote: BNSFrailfan wrote:SOME D@MN BNSF MofW GUY ASKED ME. YOUR NOT A TERROST ARE YOU YESTERDAY. I SOULD HAVE SAID.....NO YOU F*CKN JEW. DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORST. PEOPLE LIKE THAT REALY **** ME OFF. AND I WAS MORE THAN 2,000FT FROM THE TRACKS. SORRY FOR THE RANT.There are some thoughts we keep in our heads, because our brain tells us not to say it. This is called an inside thought. Posting on the internet is no different. You are an idiot. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -A. Lincoln
BNSFrailfan wrote:SOME D@MN BNSF MofW GUY ASKED ME. YOUR NOT A TERROST ARE YOU YESTERDAY. I SOULD HAVE SAID.....NO YOU F*CKN JEW. DO I LOOK LIKE A TERRORST. PEOPLE LIKE THAT REALY **** ME OFF. AND I WAS MORE THAN 2,000FT FROM THE TRACKS. SORRY FOR THE RANT.
-A. Lincoln
Here He goes[BNSF railfan] , One More Time!
He is truly a masochist in search of a saddist. He needs to get off the merry-go-round he lives on....Rant, apologise. Rant, apologise. Hopefully one day he will understand he is getting nowhere quickly.
Swat that bug...
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
Mookie wrote:I am so embarrassed! We really aren't like that here in Nebraska - at least most of us aren't.
It doesn't really matter where this drip lives, he is an embarrassment to all of us in this hobby. And like someone has already said, he needs to get off the merry-go-round of rant - apologize, rant - apologize. He needs to break this cycle and stop doing it. Bergie already pointed out that his use of racial slurs can effect his future with others. And that's my worth.
CANADIANPACIFIC2816
12000V? Wow, I bet that left a mark!
Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to a gunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwins in training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They are lucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money.
I was taught that 440 volts can strike a person 10 feet from a open or unprotected building main box. That is bad enough.
At 12000 I would not want to survive the experience. =)
Safety Valve wrote: I was taught that 440 volts can strike a person 10 feet from a open or unprotected building main box. That is bad enough. At 12000 I would not want to survive the experience. =)
How does 12000 volt compare to being electrocuted by the Criminal Justice system in some states?
Because they were electrocuted the thoughts of the lawyers and jury might be that they should be allowed to get away with anything they want.
Andrew
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solzrules wrote: JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail.... It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might have occurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary. Jay Potter 12000V? Wow, I bet that left a mark! Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to a gunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwins in training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They are lucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money.
Holding down the fort from all those plaintiff attorney barbarians...
Datafever wrote: solzrules wrote: JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail.... It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might have occurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary. Jay Potter 12000V? Wow, I bet that left a mark! Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to a gunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwins in training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They are lucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money. I'm not sure that voltage is the key measure. Electric fences for livestock enclosures run at something like 3000 to 5000 volts. It produces one heck of a shock, but that's about it.
Fencers are a little different. They can be a high voltage but they can also run at a higher frequency. I've gotten nailed on a 90 volt fencer that was operating at something like 300hz. It felt like someone took a baseball bat and hit me in the back with it as hard as they could.
440V won't arc ten feet out to you, but I wouldn't want to be near unprotected energized parts with voltage that high (it is a very deadly voltage because people think it is low compared to a power line or in this case a catenary line) unless I had insulating gloves on.
I was taught that 1000 volts will arc 1 inch. 12,000 volts would arc 12 inches, but I certainly wouldn't want to test that one out. It also depends on the humidity of the air - the more moisture in the air the more likely it is to ionize and pass an arc.
In this case a 12000 volt line would be more than enough potential to put all kinds of current through a human body. 25mA of current can kill you. A 12000 volt line will push AMPS through you (2500mA). These two putzes are lucky they didn't turn into hot dogs.
Andrew Falconer wrote: Safety Valve wrote: I was taught that 440 volts can strike a person 10 feet from a open or unprotected building main box. That is bad enough. At 12000 I would not want to survive the experience. =) How does 12000 volt compare to being electrocuted by the Criminal Justice system in some states? Because they were electrocuted the thoughts of the lawyers and jury might be that they should be allowed to get away with anything they want. Andrew
The CJS does not work perfectly. It will stumble at times and squash those unlucky enough to be underfoot. The best course was not to have gotten up onto those railcars. I dont have much faith in our broken justice system and Corperations will write off the losses once a final number is whittled down and paid to the lawyers involved.
Life goes on until another person gets nuked by live wire. The sleepy courts will mobilize the tons of paperwork while the lawyers gleefully scurry about drawn by money like moths to a flame. The nuked person should he or she survive is just a small pawn in our system. The forums fill with outrage and the world turns as usual.
Datafever wrote: solzrules wrote: JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail....It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might haveoccurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary.Jay Potter12000V? Wow, I bet that left a mark!Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to agunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwinsin training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They arelucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money.I'm not sure that voltage is the key measure. Electric fences forlivestock enclosures run at something like 3000 to 5000 volts. Itproduces one heck of a shock, but that's about it.
solzrules wrote: JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail....It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might haveoccurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary.Jay Potter12000V? Wow, I bet that left a mark!Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to agunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwinsin training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They arelucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money.
JayPotter wrote: solzrules wrote: I am guessing that the voltage that injured the two lunatics probably wasn't enough amps to even warm up the rail....It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might haveoccurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary.Jay Potter
It was approximately 12,000 volts; and the injuries might haveoccurred through arcing, as opposed to actual contact with the catenary.
Voltages that high tend to blow chunks of skin out similar to agunshot wound.... they are very damaging. Hopefully our darwinsin training will not attempt a similar stunt again. They arelucky they are even alive to get a cent of that money.
IT'S NOT THE VOLTS, IT'S THE AMPS THAT KILLS YA!
Summary Judgement for LC - Case dismissed (Like that ever happens.)
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