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( Not the Western ) Where is it-no photos, only clues #8
Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:54 PM

     An easy one(as if all mine weren't too easy). 

     This town is named after the location, or the location is named after the town.  Mud Chicken would enjoy this spot on a Chicago-bound line-they had to build a bridge 3 times to get it right!Wink [;)]  Where is it?

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Sunday, August 13, 2006 9:55 PM
Is it west of the Mississippi, but still in the Midwest ?
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:16 PM

 nanaimo73 wrote:
Is it west of the Mississippi, but still in the Midwest ?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:22 PM
Council Bluffs, Iowa, has had three bridges (on the UP, as well as one independent bridge that IC later acquired.)  But there are other midwestern locations that probably fit the bill, too.

On the other hand, you said "Chicago-bound railroad," and since all midwestern railroads save one built away from Chicago, that rules out UP.  The exception is Santa Fe, which after building westward from Atchison, Kansas, turned around and built east from Kansas City to Chicago.

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:29 PM
Do BNSF and/or UP still use the current bridge ?
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:35 PM
 1435mm wrote:
Council Bluffs, Iowa, has had three bridges (on the UP, as well as one independent bridge that IC later acquired.)  But there are other midwestern locations that probably fit the bill, too.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:37 PM

 nanaimo73 wrote:
Do BNSF and/or UP still use the current bridge ?

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:40 PM
Does the bridge have a swing or lift span ?
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 13, 2006 11:13 PM

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Does the bridge have a swing or lift span ?

no

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Posted by blhanel on Monday, August 14, 2006 6:52 AM
Does the bridge cross the Mississippi?
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 7:06 AM

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Does the bridge cross the Mississippi?

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, August 14, 2006 7:59 AM
Was it on the North Western or the Milwaukee Road ? 
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 8:12 AM

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Was it on the North Western or the Milwaukee Road ? 

YES

 

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, August 14, 2006 8:15 AM
Is it north of Omaha ?
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 8:15 AM
 Murphy Siding wrote:

 nanaimo73 wrote:
Was it on the North Western or the Milwaukee Road ? 

YES

 

     Just kiddingBig Smile [:D]  Milwaukee Road

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 10:50 AM
 Murphy Siding wrote:

     An easy one(as if all mine weren't too easy). 

     This town is named after the location, or the location is named after the town.  Mud Chicken would enjoy this spot on a Chicago-bound line-they had to build a bridge 3 times to get it right!Wink [;)]  Where is it?

    In this part of the country, this place is where east meets west.

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Posted by senshi on Monday, August 14, 2006 1:42 PM
I want to say Missouri Valley but I don't think that the MILW went there so I'm going with a complete shot in the dark Cedar Rapids.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 1:51 PM

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I want to say Missouri Valley but I don't think that the MILW went there so I'm going with a complete shot in the dark Cedar Rapids.

     Not Missouri Valley.  In fact the  Missouri isn't that muddy at this place.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:04 PM
If we're talking Milwaukee Road, it crossed the Missouri at Kansas City, Council Bluffs (via trackage rights on UP), Chamberlain, and Mobridge.  Only Mobridge meets the criteria of "being named for a place."  But I would not characterize Milwaukee Road as "Chicago-bound," at Mobridge one would, I think, commonly say it was "Seattle-bound."

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Posted by nordique72 on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:11 PM

Definately Mobridge- the third bridge was built in 1961 with the creation of Lake Oahe, necessitating the relocation of quite a bit of the transcon MILW main west of town. It was one of five large bridges in the midwest that the US Government built for the MILW from 1945-72 for Army Corps of Engineers dam and waterway projects- can anyone name the other four?

 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:54 PM

 1435mm wrote:
If we're talking Milwaukee Road, it crossed the Missouri at Kansas City, Council Bluffs (via trackage rights on UP), Chamberlain, and Mobridge.  Only Mobridge meets the criteria of "being named for a place."  But I would not characterize Milwaukee Road as "Chicago-bound," at Mobridge one would, I think, commonly say it was "Seattle-bound."

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     You are correct sir-Mobridge!  "Seattle-bound" or "Chicago-bound" would depend on which direction you going.Wink [;)]  I wrote it that way so it wouldn't be quite as easy to figure out.Mischief [:-,]

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:57 PM

It was one of five large bridges in the midwest that the US Government built for the MILW from 1950-72 for Army Corps of Engineers dam and waterway projects- can anyone name the other four?

USACE built this bridge just west of Mobridge at the same time, it crosses the Grand River.

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I believe the CMSP&P used a pontoon bridge at Chamberlain until some time in the 1960s.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, August 14, 2006 2:58 PM
 nordique72 wrote:

Definately Mobridge- the third bridge was built in 1961 with the creation of Lake Oahe, necessitating the relocation of quite a bit of the transcon MILW main west of town. It was one of five large bridges in the midwest that the US Government built for the MILW from 1950-72 for Army Corps of Engineers dam and waterway projects- can anyone name the other four?

 

Hmmmm.....I would think one of those would be the bridge at Chamberlain,due to the dam at Pickstown?

 

I know you live down south now, but know quite a bit about my area.  Are you originally from the upper plains?

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Posted by nordique72 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:01 AM

Two down- two to go! The Grand River bridge was also part of the Lake Oahe project (on the Faith-Isabel branch), and the Chamberlain bridge was completed in 1953 as part of the Lake Francis Case project.

1. Mobridge, SD - MILW main line- Lake Oahe- 1961

2. Mobridge, SD- MILW branch (Faith, SD)- Lake Oahe- 1961

3. Chamberlain, SD- MILW Rapid City, SD line- Lake Francis Case- 1953

4. ???

5. ???

And yes- I grew up in Nebraska and Illinois before moving to Texas last year- the rest of my relatives all live in Wisconsin, so I got to know the granger roads pretty well growing up.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:07 AM
 nordique72 wrote:

Two down- two to go! The Grand River bridge was also part of the Lake Oahe project (on the Faith-Isabel branch), and the Chamberlain bridge was completed in 1953 as part of the Lake Francis Case project.

1. Mobridge, SD - MILW main line- Lake Oahe- 1961

2. Mobridge, SD- MILW branch (Faith, SD)- Lake Oahe- 1961

3. Chamberlain, SD- MILW Rapid City, SD line- Lake Francis Case- 1953

4. ???

5. ???

And yes- I grew up in Nebraska and Illinois before moving to Texas last year- the rest of my relatives all live in Wisconsin, so I got to know the granger roads pretty well growing up.


4.   Madrid, Iowa, MILW main line, Saylorville Dam, Des Moines River, 1973
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:17 AM

Hastings, MN ?

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Posted by nordique72 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:54 PM

We have an answer for #4- Saylorville Dam- MILW Iowa Division, Woodward, IA, completed 1972. This bridge also has the sad honor of being the first and only of this list to be abandoned and removed (save the concrete piers)

#5 is still open- and no sorry, Hastings is not the answer.

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Posted by nordique72 on Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:26 PM

Okay- since there's been no other guesses- one last clue before I give it away- the final bridge the government built for the MILW was also a Missouri River bridge.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:29 PM
     Is one end of the bridge in Iowa?

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Thursday, August 17, 2006 1:27 PM
Can't be Truman in KC, I believe the Milwaukee and the RI built that in 1945.
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