owlsroost wrote: Taking a cue from Simon Reed's contribution, my take on the privatisation/open access situation in the UK is:- 1. Open Access freight is probably the best thing to have happened to rail freight since BR was formed in 1948 - even allowing for economic growth and changing traffic patterns (e.g. power station coal traffic switching to imported coal with longer hauls) it's reversed the relentless decline in rail freight and made it a truly competitive (between operators) business for the first time since 1825. 2. To make open access work, I think you need to separate the infrastructure from the train operators and provide some sort of independant regulator to sort out disputes and keep the playing field fair and level - they got that bit basically right. One thing that seems to have 'matured' since privatisation is the attitudes of operators and Railtrack/Network Rail towards each other when problems happen on a day-to-day basis - they've realised (re-discovered ?) that the railway is a complex system and keeping it running smoothly needs co-operation, not laywers arguing with each other over the fine print in the contracts. 3. The big mistake was setting up Railtrack as a 'virtual' company as far as maintenance was concerned (it was all contracted out), and splintering the ex-BR maintenance function into so many small pieces. All this really achieved was increased costs and a crucial core activity which was far more difficult to control and monitor - and it's taken even more effort/money to put the maintenance function back together under Network Rail. 4. I think open access passenger operations could work here on a larger scale, now that the industry has recovered from the initial 'nuclear explosion' and has (in some cases) re-learnt how to run a railway. The big problem I see is how do you handle socially necessary subsidised services, without the subsidies directly or indirectly contributing to the profits of an open-access operator on the route - the franchise model seems to be the best compromise anyone has come up with so far. One thing to keep in mind is that there is actual competition between operators on some routes e.g. GNER, Virgin and TPE between York and Newcastle (while operators are required to sell and accept operator-agnostic tickets, they are free to sell cheaper operator-specific tickets if they want to, and run more trains than their basic franchise commitment mandates). I think the recent round of franchising changes have been a retrograde step in some cases because they've reduced the competion possibilities e.g. all of the services from Paddington (First Great Western) and Liverpool Street ('one' Railway) are now in the hands of a single operator where before they had different commuter and long-distance operators. 5. I suspect one reason why the politicians didn't want to risk more open access passenger operations at the start is because of earlier experiences when bus operations in most parts of the UK were privatised and de-regulated. It basically went from regulated monopolies through a period of instability (in some cases schedules and routes changing every week, lots of buses on prime routes and very few on others etc - not very useful if that was the only way you had of getting to work etc), then slowly the bigger operators either bought out or forced off the road the smaller ones (by undercutting the fares and/or swamping the route with buses) until we ended up with a different set of regional monopolists - e.g. Stagecoach, First Group and Arriva (sometimes known collectively as the 'bus bandits'). If the bus services in my area are typical, overall they have improved compared to pre-regulation, but things took a long time to settle down and in some cases there is a clear separation between commercial services (basically morning to early evening, mon-sat) and subsidised (run under contract from the local council) services at other times e.g. a different operator. So, overall - I think it's been a successful experiment (but expensive), and I don't think I'd want to go back to BR - that had it's problems too. Comments ? Tony
Taking a cue from Simon Reed's contribution, my take on the privatisation/open access situation in the UK is:-
1. Open Access freight is probably the best thing to have happened to rail freight since BR was formed in 1948 - even allowing for economic growth and changing traffic patterns (e.g. power station coal traffic switching to imported coal with longer hauls) it's reversed the relentless decline in rail freight and made it a truly competitive (between operators) business for the first time since 1825.
2. To make open access work, I think you need to separate the infrastructure from the train operators and provide some sort of independant regulator to sort out disputes and keep the playing field fair and level - they got that bit basically right. One thing that seems to have 'matured' since privatisation is the attitudes of operators and Railtrack/Network Rail towards each other when problems happen on a day-to-day basis - they've realised (re-discovered ?) that the railway is a complex system and keeping it running smoothly needs co-operation, not laywers arguing with each other over the fine print in the contracts.
3. The big mistake was setting up Railtrack as a 'virtual' company as far as maintenance was concerned (it was all contracted out), and splintering the ex-BR maintenance function into so many small pieces. All this really achieved was increased costs and a crucial core activity which was far more difficult to control and monitor - and it's taken even more effort/money to put the maintenance function back together under Network Rail.
4. I think open access passenger operations could work here on a larger scale, now that the industry has recovered from the initial 'nuclear explosion' and has (in some cases) re-learnt how to run a railway. The big problem I see is how do you handle socially necessary subsidised services, without the subsidies directly or indirectly contributing to the profits of an open-access operator on the route - the franchise model seems to be the best compromise anyone has come up with so far. One thing to keep in mind is that there is actual competition between operators on some routes e.g. GNER, Virgin and TPE between York and Newcastle (while operators are required to sell and accept operator-agnostic tickets, they are free to sell cheaper operator-specific tickets if they want to, and run more trains than their basic franchise commitment mandates). I think the recent round of franchising changes have been a retrograde step in some cases because they've reduced the competion possibilities e.g. all of the services from Paddington (First Great Western) and Liverpool Street ('one' Railway) are now in the hands of a single operator where before they had different commuter and long-distance operators.
5. I suspect one reason why the politicians didn't want to risk more open access passenger operations at the start is because of earlier experiences when bus operations in most parts of the UK were privatised and de-regulated. It basically went from regulated monopolies through a period of instability (in some cases schedules and routes changing every week, lots of buses on prime routes and very few on others etc - not very useful if that was the only way you had of getting to work etc), then slowly the bigger operators either bought out or forced off the road the smaller ones (by undercutting the fares and/or swamping the route with buses) until we ended up with a different set of regional monopolists - e.g. Stagecoach, First Group and Arriva (sometimes known collectively as the 'bus bandits'). If the bus services in my area are typical, overall they have improved compared to pre-regulation, but things took a long time to settle down and in some cases there is a clear separation between commercial services (basically morning to early evening, mon-sat) and subsidised (run under contract from the local council) services at other times e.g. a different operator.
So, overall - I think it's been a successful experiment (but expensive), and I don't think I'd want to go back to BR - that had it's problems too.
Comments ?
Tony
An excellent synopsis. But I still don't know your take on the whole "was it the privatization, or was it the quasi-open access" argument as it relates to the problems experienced. Surely they overdid it with the break up into 100+ entities - do we put that one in the "privatization" catagory or the "open access" category?
futuremodal wrote: An excellent synopsis. But I still don't know your take on the whole "was it the privatization, or was it the quasi-open access" argument as it relates to the problems experienced. Surely they overdid it with the break up into 100+ entities - do we put that one in the "privatization" catagory or the "open access" category?
Hugh Jampton wrote:A quick nose around the rest of Europe and elsewhere shows privatisation as the root of all evil.
beaulieu wrote: Hugh Jampton wrote:A quick nose around the rest of Europe and elsewhere shows privatisation as the root of all evil.Water, Gas, Electricity etc. yes. But Estonia, is the only rail privatization otherwise. Well you could consider the Dutch and Danish freight services privatized.
I've not been able to reply before now but Owlsroost has done it very eloquently for me - thanks.
Beaulieu - your point about WCML stopping services illustrates precisely what is good, and bad, about open access passenger service.
A passenger travelling between London Euston and Birmingham (Britain's second biggest city) have the option of travelling with Virgin or Silverlink.
Virgin provide an express service with 140MPH capacity tilting trains. Silverlink provide far less opulent accomodation and probably take nearly twice as long.
I could'nt immediately give you the respective fares but the Virgin train is going to be by far the most expensive option. If, however, you are of restricted financial means you can still make the journey on the Silverlink train.
I fully accept that this is a nod towards the class differentials imposed on the very earliest rail travellers but it provides a semblance of a different type of Open Access - ie the provision of options for the passenger.
The bad part of this is that the authorities have a tendency to be swayed by the financial, rather than social, value of the franchise. The SRA seemed to be a subsiduary of Virgin on a number of occasions, and the regulatory authority of the DfT is so weak that it's taken Civil Law to stop GNER bullying Grand Central.
Actually, the London - Birmingham route(s) are a good example of both competing operators on one route and competition between routes.
If we restrict the comparison to standard class 'walk on' fares (no advance booking needed) - the tickets most people buy - then :
Chiltern Railways (Marylebone - Moor Street route, 140 minute journey time) offers 15, 26 and 65 GBP returns.
Silverlink + Central Trains (Euston - New Street, 135 minute journey time with a change at Northampton) offers 21, 23 or 42 GBP returns.
Virgin WC (Euston - New Street, 90 minute journey time) offers 36 or 108 GBP returns (also valid on Chiltern and Silverlink). All the cheaper VWC tickets are advance booking only, from 20 GBP return upwards.
The cheaper tickets of course have more restrictions on which trains they can be used on, and the 36 and 108 GBP returns are any operator/any route tickets - so you could add Paddington - New Street (FGW + Virgin CC, 135 minutes, change at Reading) to the list too !
All of the operators above are franchisees, not open access.
Simon Reed wrote: The bad part of this is that the authorities have a tendency to be swayed by the financial, rather than social, value of the franchise. The SRA seemed to be a subsiduary of Virgin on a number of occasions, and the regulatory authority of the DfT is so weak that it's taken Civil Law to stop GNER bullying Grand Central.
There's some interesting stuff regarding the outcome of the application for a Judicial Review initated by GNER concerning open-access passenger operators on the ECML here - http://home.ezezine.com/759/759-2006.08.21.00.01.archive.html
If you follow the link to official judgement - http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ca14/ALYCIDON%20RAIL/PDF%20files/Judgment___approved___27_July_2006.pdf - some of the comments are quite entertaining - particularly paragraph 89 on page 26 (basically, if the track access charging regime is so favourable towards OA passenger operators, why aren't there more of them ?). The answer of course is that it's financially riskier being an OA operator compared to a franchisee.
There's a bit more background to the GNER situation here - http://www.alycidon.com/ALYCIDON%20RAIL/INFORMED%20SOURCES%20ARCHIVE/INF%20SRCS%202006/Informed%20Sources%2005%202006.htm
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