RAILFANNING AND VERY HIGH GAS PRICES.

[n012944]

I really think you totally misread the post about Nam. Try again

 

 

 

Nope I didn't.  But thanks for your input.

 

Bert

[adrianspeeder]

I'm tired of posting that the Iraq conflict is a big factor in the US gas prices.

Google for US oil imports and you can see Iraq pales in comparison to our biggest importer Canada, then Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria.  Each of these countrys bring in twice to three times the amount of oil daily that Iraq does.

We are spoiled with our gas prices here in this country, and I suggest each of us look to other needless expenseses to cut back on.

Adrianspeeder

[CrazyDiamond]

If I lived besides some active track I would buy a high quality web cam, create a web page so my fellow railfans could watch trains live....I know its not as good as the real thing, but would help save a few bucks on gas. :-)

[nucat78]

all the white house should have done something during last oil crisis of 70s. crisis what crisis?

no one person is responsible for  all oil problems we face.

i get online for cheapest gas prices at towns i  go thru to the jctn.  i dive 5 mph slower to save oil.
 buy everything at walmart inc.  groceries.    afew ways to save a green buckeroo.

Yup.  Gas prices in the western 'burbs of Chicago are around $3.15 per gallon.  I just got back from Northern Virginia where they were around $2.85.  Different areas do use different additives but the biggest difference here is gas in the collar counties of Chicago is taxed to support (among other things)public transportation.  Good thing or bad thing?  You decide.

There's also the old supply and demand curve - soccer moms driving king-hell SUVs to the grocery store are not helping.  And of course, the oil companies will charge what the market will bear as long as they don't run afoul of any antitrust laws.  Even switching to an E85 capable vehicle won't necessarily save you a lot because your mileage will go down on E85 versus 87 octane.

So it really is multifactorial like most things in economics and life.

 

[Modelcar]

Adrian.....Oil prices have been effected by the Iraq war.  A combination of "what has....and what is" happening in that part of the world has upset traders and prices involved...plus the uncertainty of the Iraq oil getting to world market contributing to the oil supply is a factor....And now the escalating warfare from Israel, etc....and we and the rest of the world are paying the "price" for it.

[chicagorails]

you are right on !!  the mide east keeps getting hotter n hotter!!  god help us!!

[Gambi80]

I vote we spend more money on educating America's youth, so we don't have to deal with the likes of the BNSF railfans and their nonsensical spewage of B.S.  It boggles my mind that people are that effing nieve!

I can't believe I wasted the time to re-register to get back on this forum rather than jump through hoops to get the farmer03 name back on. 

The hammock in the backyard, an ice cold Coors Light and watching the grass grow sounds way more fun than conversing with a few fruits and nuts about their worldly views.   

[n012944]

I vote we spend more money on educating America's youth, so we don't have to deal with the likes of the BNSF railfans and their nonsensical spewage of B.S.  It boggles my mind that people are that effing nieve!

I can't believe I wasted the time to re-register to get back on this forum rather than jump through hoops to get the farmer03 name back on. 

The hammock in the backyard, an ice cold Coors Light and watching the grass grow sounds way more fun than conversing with a few fruits and nuts about their worldly views.   

 

Go then..Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Anonymous]

I vote we spend more money on educating America's youth, so we don't have to deal with the likes of the BNSF railfans and their nonsensical spewage of B.S.  It boggles my mind that people are that effing nieve!

I can't believe I wasted the time to re-register to get back on this forum rather than jump through hoops to get the farmer03 name back on. 

The hammock in the backyard, an ice cold Coors Light and watching the grass grow sounds way more fun than conversing with a few fruits and nuts about their worldly views.   

Shut up. Cry me a river.

[zugmann]

Honestly,

If you can't afford the gas, then don't go railfanning.  It is that simple. The world won't end if you can't drive to see trains. 

[Anonymous]

Honestly,

If you can't afford the gas, then don't go railfanning.  It is that simple. The world won't end if you can't drive to see trains. 

Oh I do go Railfanning. I go local.

[zugmann]

Oh I do go Railfanning. I go local.

There you go - that's a good way to save gas. 

[zinker]

<BLOCKQUOTE><table class="quoteOuterTable"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/trccs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>chicagorails wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">all the white house should have done something during last oil crisis of 70s. crisis what crisis? <br><br>no one person is responsible for  all oil problems we face.<br><br> i take my mountain bike with  me for resturant fare, a snack at  caseys, library internet,weather,news,trains line. its nothing to ride 10 miles straight when its 95 degrees.<br><br>i get online for cheapest gas prices at towns i  go thru to the jctn.  i dive 5 mph slower to save oil.<br> buy everything at walmart inc.  groceries.    afew ways to save a green buckeroo.<br></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may remember that there was a President back then by the name of Jimmy Carter who implemented the countries first Energy Policy. Here is a snippit of his speach to the nation announcing that policy.

"Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade -- a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day.

Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit.

Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun."

You can read the entire speach here:

<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_crisis.html>

So what happened? Ronald Reagen. One of Regan's first acts when he entered the White house was to rip Carter's solar panels off the White House roof and reverse Carter's energy policy. And so here we are all these years later with Carter's predictions coming true.

[solzrules]

all the white house should have done something during last oil crisis of 70s. crisis what crisis?

no one person is responsible for  all oil problems we face.

 i take my mountain bike with  me for resturant fare, a snack at  caseys, library internet,weather,news,trains line. its nothing to ride 10 miles straight when its 95 degrees.

i get online for cheapest gas prices at towns i  go thru to the jctn.  i dive 5 mph slower to save oil.
 buy everything at walmart inc.  groceries.    afew ways to save a green buckeroo.

You may remember that there was a President back then by the name of Jimmy Carter who implemented the countries first Energy Policy. Here is a snippit of his speach to the nation announcing that policy. "Point one: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 -- never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation-long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980s, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade -- a saving of over 4-1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day. Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980, I will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit. Point three: To give us energy security, I am asking for the most massive peacetime commitment of funds and resources in our nation's history to develop America's own alternative sources of fuel -- from coal, from oil shale, from plant products for gasohol, from unconventional gas, from the sun." You can read the entire speach here: So what happened? Ronald Reagen. One of Regan's first acts when he entered the White house was to rip Carter's solar panels off the White House roof and reverse Carter's energy policy. And so here we are all these years later with Carter's predictions coming true.

One result of Carter's 'energy' policy was double digit inflation.  Only a millionare could take out a mortgage as a result.  I suppose, in a way, this was VERY effective at cutting our dependence on foregin oil.  Plunging the economy into a recession is a good way to cut back on all kinds of economic activity.  (Seems to me the railroads suffered a good deal because of this too.)    

[Modelcar]

...My intent here is not to get political....I do want to enter my thought of the '73-74 economic fiasco caused in large part by our mid east oil supplying Arab friends....Stopping the supply, etc and all the rest resulting in a dumping of the world economy.  Economics spiraled out of control...!  Can't lay all of that blame with President Carter.

[solzrules]

...My intent here is not to get political....I do want to enter my thought of the '73-74 economic fiasco caused in large part by our mid east oil supplying Arab friends....Stopping the supply, etc and all the rest resulting in a dumping of the world economy.  Economics spiraled out of control...!  Can't lay all of that blame with President Carter.

True, very true....

[zinker]

> One result of Carter's 'energy' policy was double digit inflation.

There may well have been a few other reasons for that inflation as well. For one, we were paying off our bills for the Vietnam war during that time.

In any case, either we should have done something back then to fix the problem we have today, or we should be happy with the mess we have today. Ya can't have both.

[james saunders]

I know BNSFrailfan posted this meaning well, but twits who flame him for just trying to have a say... is well...silly..
 
maybe buy a bike? good exercise, and you can get places quicker where a car can't get you

[spbed]

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

 

 

I know BNSFrailfan posted this meaning well, but twits who flame him for just trying to have a say... is well...silly..
 
maybe buy a bike? good exercise, and you can get places quicker where a car can't get you

[james saunders]

I see, well it hasn't stopped me, don't have a car

[spbed]

Has not stopped me either & I have 2 cars

 

I see, well it hasn't stopped me, don't have a car

[n012944]

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

WRONG

He asked for peoples thoughts, he never said it prohibited people from going out railfanning. 

 

Bert

[Old Foreigner]

The poorest guy over here in Europe is the gas station owner who mostly gets only about 15cts (US) per gallon out of $7. Being retired and nearly 80 now and no longer able to cycle around I had to give up railfan trips. To be correct not only because of the skyrocketing gas prices in my country.   

[spbed]

This is asking for peoples thoughts?

ARE YOU STUPID. I JUST TOLD YOU. IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO GO RAILFANNING. MAN.....SOME PEOPLE! YOU HAVE THE GULL TO SAY THAT." src="/trccs/emoticons/icon_smile_angry.gif">

Before speaking for me he should have check out if higher gas prices make it harder for me to rail fan. To speak for all without asking there particular situation is quite silly IMHO. It appears he is assuming cause the hi gas price is going to restrict his train watching that everybody else trains watching is also being restricted by the hi price which I am sure you know is not the case.

 

 

 

I think that where BNSRrailfan derailed is ASSUMING that hi gas prices is prohibiting EVERYBODY from rail fanning.

WRONG

He asked for peoples thoughts, he never said it prohibited people from going out railfanning. 

 

Bert

[n012944]

And still he never said that it stopped or prohibited people from going fanning.

 

Bert

[chad thomas]

And still he never said that it stopped or prohibited people from going fanning.

 

Bert

Don't waste your time Bert. Disinformation central never gets it right.

[chad thomas]

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

[spbed]

So you are saying your employer is allowing you to use a company car & paid for the gas to train watch?

 

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

[doghouse]

BTW- Some people don't have to worry about high gas prices. Some of us drive company vehicles.

 

I hear ya, man!  

 

[kkasten]

Tell it to my 6-year old diehard railfan of a son who would like nothing better than to spend all day at the train yard chasing trains.  I have had to tell him a number  of times we cant go because gas is too expensive right now.  Well at least when we go on vacation we will be stopping in Rochelle for a day and a half to watch the trains.  That should satisfy him for a little while.