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Posted by Lord Atmo on Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:32 PM
aight. oh and i dont think the locomotive painted there lights up anymore. just the words now

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Posted by nordique72 on Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:13 PM

Atmo,

Thanks for the offer but I've got my own shots of the building and sign.

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Posted by nordique72 on Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:09 PM

Cris,

Those ex-RI hoppers are still running around on UP's vast system, we still get quite a few of them on the grain shuttles that come down to the Gulf ports via Houston.

The cars in speed lettering are harder to see because they are in the as-delivered scheme from 1973-74, when the Rock reorganized in 1975 and changed their colors to the "bankruptcy" blue- older hoppers were randomly cycled through the shops for new coats of paint. After the CNW picked them up- some were grey- most were blue. CNW fully patched some, while some others only got new numbers and a little CNW herald stencil. As this paint wore of over the years- the cars were repatched with the new sans-serif CNW style numbers, and the speed lettering was blanked out as well. I would say 1 out of every 10 grey cars that I see still have the speed lettering on them, while the rest have been patched.

And yes- the CNW did jump at the trustee's offering of those hoppers, as well as several hundred boxcars (40 and 50 foot), gondolas, and airslides. The hoppers were mainly picked up to help with car supply on their newly aquired ex-RI grain lines in Iowa (and the Spine line.) Other cars and locomotives were simply returned to their financier- like the ex-UP/RI hopper Mark photographed- those were financed for RI by UP, and when they went belly-up the cars were returned to UP.

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:54 AM
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Has anybody out there recently seen former Rock Island covered hoppers with speed lettering, but sporting CNW reporting marks?

I got some *ok* pictures of a CNW covered hopper with BOTH Rock Island "speed" and Route Rock shadow lettering!  That car really looked bad, but cool at the same time to see TWO paint schemes of a long-fallen flag...

Also, I have a picture of NAHX 82179 Wink [;)]

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:37 AM
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Atmo,

I now live in Texas- but I grew up in Papillion, NE (Omaha suburb) and Edwardsville, IL (St.Louis suburb) while my dad worked for UP. My mom and dad are both from Wisconsin (Stevens Point area) and live there now that my dad is retired from UP- all my relatives are also spread across WI.

Not to be picky- but a neon sign is a marquee- and if you look closely at it the locomotive's headlight glows rings of neon at night. I've been going to Altoona for 20 years and every time I'm there I look for the 400 club sign to make sure it still exists. That sign is a CNW landmark that's been in Altoona since the days the "400" actually called on the depot across the street.

As for the trains- MSSPR shows up around 0900 to 1100 AM normally- the MPRVP usually shows up in the dead of night like the ZCHEM (0100-0400). The only other freight action besides the locals you'd see is a MDMPR reroute or one of the Roseport trains- and for that you'll need a scanner because they are extras that don't run on a set daily schedule.  The coal train reroutes also only show up when the main line across IL-IA gets congested. It's kind of wishful thinking to always know exactly when every train is coming- like I said railfanning is a hobby that at times takes almost infinite patience- and unfortunately it is not possible for me to post exact train arrival times- schedules are not as concrete as they were in the days of the streamliners.

 

 



i go to Altoona every night and i can safely say that the sign still glows proudly on the 400 club. i can even send you a picture if you want. as for wayfreights, the MSSPR has been arriving a lot later these days. i have been to Altoona around 3:00 AM only twice. both times i arrived right when a Westbound manifest was dropping off/picking up rolling stock. both times also when another manifest arrived from the West. usually around 4:00 or 5:00 AM. my guess was that this is MSSPR. one thing remains certain, early morning is the hot time for foaming in altoona. my camera, however, is not. all i can shoot is the scotchlight tape that glows when my camera's flash reflects off of it. not the best, but it DOES let me record the number of the locomotive. saw a coal train reroute come through once. i would have to say the rarities i enjoy seeing are the extra manifest trains. meaning of course i never saw one ever. he only coal train reroute i ever saw was also the only time i have ever seen an AC4460CW

countdown: 2 days :)

and lastly, can it really be assumed that 8575 is completely gone? only the front got the patch, not the hood. i say it's only 25% gone since the vast majority of the unit is CNW colors and the hood still says 8575 on it.

so i hear that when 8701 went to jenks, its CNW color was touched up. meaning the faded spots were repainted? how did jenks still have those colors? i thought they only had armour yellow, harbor mist grey, patch decals, and scotchlight tape

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Posted by Cris_261 on Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:15 AM

Has anybody out there recently seen former Rock Island covered hoppers with speed lettering, but sporting CNW reporting marks? It seems that the few still running have had fresh spots of paint applied over the Rock Island lettering, which makes them easy to spot, but also makes it a bit of a letdown. The North Western must have jumped at the chance to pick up extra covered hoppers from the RI when that road shut down.

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Posted by spbed on Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:44 AM

While I did not ever work for the CNW I did favor them with my companies business. They were most helpful in assiting me with my career. They also gave me many CNW items as thank you's for the business I favored them with. Check out the below link & see the hat I am wearing, The pix was shot in the Cajon Pass  

http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg

 

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Posted by nordique72 on Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:38 AM

Atmo,

I now live in Texas- but I grew up in Papillion, NE (Omaha suburb) and Edwardsville, IL (St.Louis suburb) while my dad worked for UP. My mom and dad are both from Wisconsin (Stevens Point area) and live there now that my dad is retired from UP- all my relatives are also spread across WI.

Not to be picky- but a neon sign is a marquee- and if you look closely at it the locomotive's headlight glows rings of neon at night. I've been going to Altoona for 20 years and every time I'm there I look for the 400 club sign to make sure it still exists. That sign is a CNW landmark that's been in Altoona since the days the "400" actually called on the depot across the street.

As for the trains- MSSPR shows up around 0900 to 1100 AM normally- the MPRVP usually shows up in the dead of night like the ZCHEM (0100-0400). The only other freight action besides the locals you'd see is a MDMPR reroute or one of the Roseport trains- and for that you'll need a scanner because they are extras that don't run on a set daily schedule.  The coal train reroutes also only show up when the main line across IL-IA gets congested. It's kind of wishful thinking to always know exactly when every train is coming- like I said railfanning is a hobby that at times takes almost infinite patience- and unfortunately it is not possible for me to post exact train arrival times- schedules are not as concrete as they were in the days of the streamliners.

 

 

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:49 PM
how bout the Altoona area...? i believe it's on the Twin Cities division. Altoona is ex CNW and it shows. they keep an ex CNW cylindrical hopper on a seldom used siding. i know because a small part of it is damaged and it has always been there. ever since the merger. look across the street and you'll find a bar called the 400 club with the sign saying those words in neon lights and an E7 in CNW colors painted on it. then there's the "Golden Spike Bar and Grill". not sure what this has to do with CNW though. seems kinda UP. meh. but there's plenty of homage. even the no trespassing signs say "dangerous. keep off. C.&N.W. Property". that sign saddens me knowing the yard is not CNW property and only the armour yellow poop chute rides those rails now :*(

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Posted by ShopsYardMaster on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:09 PM
 zardoz wrote:
And if I can help anyone with questions about the Wisconsin Division (Proviso to Madison, Proviso to Adams, Proviso to Fond du Lac), or the suburban operations, just let me know.


And if anyone needs info on the FDL/NFDL area, I may be able to help.Smile [:)]
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Posted by spe3376 on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:27 PM
Where I work in Des Plaines, IL, I've got the Norma-Seeger connector track against the back of the property.  When I started there in 2000, there were still a number of full CNW SD40-2's with the autoracks to and from Belvedere.  Then they were patched.  Then full UP repaints (2999, 2997, and 2995 were the three that went by a couple of times a week).  Now, there are just the UP Dash 9's.  There is still a local that goes through with a CNW bay window caboose a few times a week.  Occasionally, there are some of the old CNW and MStL MOW flats in the Norma yard, just a short walk during my lunch.  I just wish I had my camera with me all that time...


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:09 PM

I saw some old CNW junk today.  A snow plow and caboose so rusty you couldn't read the numbers.  Spotted at Butler Yard, WI.  Also saw a CNW caboose at Yardcenter Dolton, IL number 11111.

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:19 PM
AHHHHH I REMEMBER SEEING LOCOMOTIVES IN THAT YELLOW!

oh memories :*(

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:07 PM

I remember that the CNW painted a few locos in the same " yellow" as used on some fire trucks, it was called high impact yellow, allmost a lime color.

The joke was they were "Slime Lime and Green"

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Posted by gacuster on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:52 PM
One of the more interesting sights I saw on the old CNW line through Manitowoc happened one winter after a heavy snowfall.  My house is only about two blocks from the north/south main line between Green Bay and Milwaukee and when I heard an air horn I looked out a window and saw five SD 40-2's pushing a bright yellow wedge plow southbound.  They were moving along at about 35 mph clearing the snow without any difficulty.
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Posted by Lord Atmo on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:31 PM
aaaaand we're back! and 3 days till the heritage unit arrives. CNW is still sadly missed

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Monday, July 10, 2006 12:59 AM
nordique, might i ask where you live and how you knew about the 400 club? regarding your post in the 8575 funeral topic. i know when the roadrailer comes through altoona and i'm usually there to see it. it comes any time between 8:00 and 10:00 PM. but it's just trailers on train wheels. i'm looking for mixed freights. that's 4 trains that come at any time. and i really wish i knew when they came without blowing $80.00 on a scanner. i dont have that kind of cash. i've seen the 400 club many times. there's no marquee there, just a neon light. nice, but it's just a drawing and sadly, not a real CNW locomotive. i go to altoona around 6:00 PM and stay till 9:30 PM. all i ever see is the roadrailer. the few times i go there in early morning (between 3:00 AM and 7:30 AM), i see 2 trains. sometimes the roadrailer comes back. but that's a grand total of 4 trains. that leaves 2. i need to know this crap...

i am heartsick for CNW, but i'm heartsick for their hood units, not their carbody units. much less drawings of them. i'm planning on going all over the USA to find these 20+ CNW locomotives scattered around it. should be really fun.

again, nordique, this is all in response to the recent post you made in the 8575 funeral topic. i just dont want to revive that thread.

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Posted by nordique72 on Monday, July 10, 2006 12:08 AM
Okay- I do agree this is much nicer here.

"I heard "canary yellow". not positive though what it is. Zito honestly doesnt look too bad. i like the look of it on the HO scale CNW locomotives."

Both "canary yellow" and "Zito yellow" were nicknames for the CNW's 1981 "Sunburst yellow" or "Safety yellow"- both show up as official names for the light yellow. The original yellow was "Stagecoach" yellow as noted before- but when CNW went back to the darker shade in 1992 you couldn't get that shade anymore (since lead based paints were now illegal), so the new color was offhandedly referred to as "New Old Yellow"
I'm not aware of any special name for the green paint used on the units- as several shades of dark green were used on CNW units over the years.

The CNW I-72 overpass southwest of Springfield is the now abandoned South Pekin Sub- the very same that ran behind my house further south in Edwardsville as a kid. The UP abandoned the line from Barr to Girard and rerouted the only trains on this line via the I&M Barr to Springfield, then south to STL on the old GM&O by 1998-99. The line south of Girard is still in to Monterrey Mine (north of Gillespie) for occasional UP coal movements. The GWWR did also have a line in that vicinity- the old GM&O Springfield-Roodhouse, which the CNW vaulted over just south of the interstate bridge.
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Posted by Lord Atmo on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:47 PM
bergie might do that if he feels it's necessary. if anyone sees one of the CNW GP7s around, take a picture and post it. see how many we can find

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:13 PM
Merging all the CNW threads into this one...what's one more merger? LOL.

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Posted by cr6479 on Sunday, July 9, 2006 10:10 PM
chinatown782411. If you don't answer it then it becomes a dead thread.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 9, 2006 9:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cr6479

Hey Lord Atmo. I had posted CONRAIL THREAD FOR EVERYBODY, but i going to take down this week or next week.


Can you take down a thread???
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Posted by cr6479 on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:51 PM
Hey Lord Atmo. I had posted CONRAIL THREAD FOR EVERYBODY, but i going to take down this week or next week.
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Posted by gacuster on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:45 PM
Even if you can't drink, get a "ringside" seat in the bay window or on the platform and enjoy the food and the view.
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Posted by Lord Atmo on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:28 PM
CSXT has blue and yellow. kinda close. yeah i really want to go to that restaurant again. i dont drink beer obviousely. i'm 18 only. but the fanning. quite nice

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Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:20 PM
Yeah, I remember the first CNW locomotive I owned, or maybe even painted. Somebody said, "Ooo, look, a Packer train!" I don't think it was all that coincidental that what was once the biggest railroad in Wisconsin shared a color scheme with Wisconsin's team!

Say, who had blue and orange? (i.e. Bears colors)...
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Posted by gacuster on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:06 PM
Lord Atmo: I don't live in Green Bay so can't really vouch for the frequency of trains going past the depot, but it did seem busier in Wisconsin Central days. Once I saw a unit coal train with UP power heading south empty, no doubt after delivering the black stuff to the power plant at the mouth of the Fox River. A siding next to the platform is used to store private cars, for a time there was a green and yellow observation car named "Flambeau" parked there. I always thought the CNW colors matched the green and gold of the Green Bay Packers quite well.
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Posted by gradyo54 on Sunday, July 9, 2006 8:01 PM
I think there is an overpass on I72 just west of Springfield Il. that has a CNW sign on it, I think it says "Employee Owned Chichago North Western" on it. My Illinois Gazetter looks like "Gateway Western "has that line now. Does anyone else know about this?
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Posted by chicagorails on Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:52 PM
cnw 5522 will be out n about july 15, ya hoo!! praise the lord
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Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, July 9, 2006 7:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo

shame there arent any classics of CNW left like steam locomotives or carbody diesels. are there any passenger cars still around that are displayed or used in excursion trains? i'd SO ride in one of those any day

What about CNW #1385? Or the soon-to-be CNW 411? IRM's got some bilevel cars too...
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