Supermergers

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MUDINURI

Hey Joe,

Yeah, I know about the RF&P. I was trying to say that just life the RF&P, KCS will hold out until the best buy comes up. CSX paid a hefty penny for the RF&P. Gotta hand it to them, RF&P had the eastern railroads right where they wanted them...in the wallet!

sorry about that Csx is still paying for its mistakes by letting good mainline tracks go to waste.[:0]
stay safe
Joe

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by MUDINURI

Hey Joe,

Yeah, I know about the RF&P. I was trying to say that just life the RF&P, KCS will hold out until the best buy comes up. CSX paid a hefty penny for the RF&P. Gotta hand it to them, RF&P had the eastern railroads right where they wanted them...in the wallet!

sorry about that Csx is still paying for its mistakes by letting good mainline tracks go to waste.[:0]
stay safe
Joe

[SALfan]

BNSF + NS = Norfolk & Western!

[SALfan]

BNSF + NS = Norfolk & Western!

[Train Guy 3]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JOdom

BNSF + NS = Norfolk & Western!

Hey JOdom ... Norfolk and Western......... ROCK ON.

[Train Guy 3]

QUOTE: Originally posted by JOdom

BNSF + NS = Norfolk & Western!

Hey JOdom ... Norfolk and Western......... ROCK ON.

[REDDYK]

I like that idea, can we paint em blue? Oh, somebody else thought of that.

[REDDYK]

I like that idea, can we paint em blue? Oh, somebody else thought of that.

[Anonymous]

BNSF + KCS makes the most sense. And if the Canadians are included, look for a revival of BNSF/CN, although if they had KCS they's probably have to get rid of IC.

[Anonymous]

BNSF + KCS makes the most sense. And if the Canadians are included, look for a revival of BNSF/CN, although if they had KCS they's probably have to get rid of IC.

[Anonymous]

My fear is that CP and UP will merge one of these days. The merger would contaminate one of the greatest railroads of all time--CP. CP and UP already do a great deal of pooling here in the Northwest. CP runs all the way down to Los Angeles on UP track. A merger would allow UP to compete with CN's links to Mexico.
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[Anonymous]

My fear is that CP and UP will merge one of these days. The merger would contaminate one of the greatest railroads of all time--CP. CP and UP already do a great deal of pooling here in the Northwest. CP runs all the way down to Los Angeles on UP track. A merger would allow UP to compete with CN's links to Mexico.
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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bryan9664

What will be the next supermeger
NS-BNSF?
CN-CSX?
CP-UP?

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Its cazy I tell ya!!! [:p][:p][:p]

rbir

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bryan9664

What will be the next supermeger
NS-BNSF?
CN-CSX?
CP-UP?

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Its cazy I tell ya!!! [:p][:p][:p]

rbir

[Anonymous]

Merge and then spin off. I have thought for a long time, what they need to do is lease out the local service. Most big railroads don't want to service local customers. The Santa Fe ran off the small elevators that could not ship, say ten cars at a time. So this traffic went to trucks. Look at the lines that have been spun off. Many of them are getting back the customers that the big boys ran off. So I say just lease out their track and let the little guy run the locals.

[Anonymous]

Merge and then spin off. I have thought for a long time, what they need to do is lease out the local service. Most big railroads don't want to service local customers. The Santa Fe ran off the small elevators that could not ship, say ten cars at a time. So this traffic went to trucks. Look at the lines that have been spun off. Many of them are getting back the customers that the big boys ran off. So I say just lease out their track and let the little guy run the locals.

[Anonymous]

I spent a few days in Mobile Alabama recently. saw plenty of UP and CSX trains sharing same track. It's only a matter of time before it all becomes UNION PACIFIC armour yellow and gray, IMHO. CP and UP do a lot of interchanging in the Northwest, so I can see UP acquring CP, too, provided all the legalities are dealt with.

[Anonymous]

I spent a few days in Mobile Alabama recently. saw plenty of UP and CSX trains sharing same track. It's only a matter of time before it all becomes UNION PACIFIC armour yellow and gray, IMHO. CP and UP do a lot of interchanging in the Northwest, so I can see UP acquring CP, too, provided all the legalities are dealt with.

[Anonymous]

Having two paint schemes would be boring, but it would take a decade or more to repaint those fleets. I just saw a GP40 in Milwaukee Road paint in Wauwatosa WI a couple days ago. That merger happened 16 years ago. When the CNW was finally purchased by the UP, we began to see paint schemes here in Milwaukee that were never really seen here before. I remember in 1997 walking out of Mairfair mall in Wauwatosa to see a UP train pulled by Tunnel Motors! It was great. I also have a feeling that the next round of mega mergers will produce the next great regional spinoff bonanza as the two ubersystems sell off duplicate, but still viable routes. This could create a host of new paint schemes to enjoy, just like the mid to late 80's. We should always remember to enjoy what we have now because tomorrow it may be gone.

[Anonymous]

Having two paint schemes would be boring, but it would take a decade or more to repaint those fleets. I just saw a GP40 in Milwaukee Road paint in Wauwatosa WI a couple days ago. That merger happened 16 years ago. When the CNW was finally purchased by the UP, we began to see paint schemes here in Milwaukee that were never really seen here before. I remember in 1997 walking out of Mairfair mall in Wauwatosa to see a UP train pulled by Tunnel Motors! It was great. I also have a feeling that the next round of mega mergers will produce the next great regional spinoff bonanza as the two ubersystems sell off duplicate, but still viable routes. This could create a host of new paint schemes to enjoy, just like the mid to late 80's. We should always remember to enjoy what we have now because tomorrow it may be gone.

[Anonymous]

I believe the BN-SF will merge with CN and NS. UP with CP and CSX. It sure is boring down here all UP who would believe this we used to have MKT,MP,SP and ATSF north of us. All I see is SD70m's well not all but. When I lived in New Jersey there were diffrent railroads all over. I see NJ has their problems too New Jersey Trainset is one. I worked for the DL&W-EL-CNJ miss them all OH well time goes on.
Hogger1647

[Anonymous]

I believe the BN-SF will merge with CN and NS. UP with CP and CSX. It sure is boring down here all UP who would believe this we used to have MKT,MP,SP and ATSF north of us. All I see is SD70m's well not all but. When I lived in New Jersey there were diffrent railroads all over. I see NJ has their problems too New Jersey Trainset is one. I worked for the DL&W-EL-CNJ miss them all OH well time goes on.
Hogger1647

[f14aplusfl]

Well then again this might not happen cause of the justice department. There'll be injunctions and all that legaal stuff so there won't be a major all mighty two Railroads out there, they're bound to say no. Even if it does happen, eventually cause of the antitrust laws and similar legistation it;'ll end up being broken up.

[f14aplusfl]

Well then again this might not happen cause of the justice department. There'll be injunctions and all that legaal stuff so there won't be a major all mighty two Railroads out there, they're bound to say no. Even if it does happen, eventually cause of the antitrust laws and similar legistation it;'ll end up being broken up.

[joho2486]

Though everyone believes that BNSF + KCS + NS + CN will equal one railroad, and that UP + CSX + CP will equal the other railroad in North America, I could forsee BNSF starting the mergers again, just like it did before the U.S. aborted its attempt to merge with CN, but with a different railroad.

From a strategic view, it would be better for BNSF to merge with CSX instead of NS. CSX by far owns better routes into key markets, like New York, Boston, Philadelphia (though easily arguable), Baltimore, the District, and Virginia (also easily arguable). Plus, with the UP taking away most of BNSF's UPS business (which I still find shocking), BNSF needs a leg up on UP.

Therefore, BNSF will merge with CSX, and become the United American Railroad. Then, UP will be forced to buy (notice I said buy, not merge) the NS and keep the Union Pacific name (notice all of the patriotic words in the names), then a traffic war will start between the two merged U.S. rail companies between LA and NYC-Boston. In the meanwhile, CN and CP will stay on the sidelines until the merger mess settles. Then, with the railroads looking for more NAFTA traffic, UAR & CN will merge and keep the UAR name (or just add a N for North to the name, making it UNAR), and the UP will buy up the CP. Then, the real battle will begin, and no one has mentioned this one yet; who will buy the TFM?

UAR would have the advantage with the assets that KCS covets now with TFM, but then again, the UP could easily draw out its checkbook, making the value of TFM really expensive. The winner would no doubt win about all of the traffic to Mexico, giving it a leg up in profits, or allow it to go out and use the extra money to subsidize other traffic lanes (like the UP does with chemical traffic from Texas and Mexican traffic today). I think I've done enough talking. Now, what do you think of this plan?

[joho2486]

Though everyone believes that BNSF + KCS + NS + CN will equal one railroad, and that UP + CSX + CP will equal the other railroad in North America, I could forsee BNSF starting the mergers again, just like it did before the U.S. aborted its attempt to merge with CN, but with a different railroad.

From a strategic view, it would be better for BNSF to merge with CSX instead of NS. CSX by far owns better routes into key markets, like New York, Boston, Philadelphia (though easily arguable), Baltimore, the District, and Virginia (also easily arguable). Plus, with the UP taking away most of BNSF's UPS business (which I still find shocking), BNSF needs a leg up on UP.

Therefore, BNSF will merge with CSX, and become the United American Railroad. Then, UP will be forced to buy (notice I said buy, not merge) the NS and keep the Union Pacific name (notice all of the patriotic words in the names), then a traffic war will start between the two merged U.S. rail companies between LA and NYC-Boston. In the meanwhile, CN and CP will stay on the sidelines until the merger mess settles. Then, with the railroads looking for more NAFTA traffic, UAR & CN will merge and keep the UAR name (or just add a N for North to the name, making it UNAR), and the UP will buy up the CP. Then, the real battle will begin, and no one has mentioned this one yet; who will buy the TFM?

UAR would have the advantage with the assets that KCS covets now with TFM, but then again, the UP could easily draw out its checkbook, making the value of TFM really expensive. The winner would no doubt win about all of the traffic to Mexico, giving it a leg up in profits, or allow it to go out and use the extra money to subsidize other traffic lanes (like the UP does with chemical traffic from Texas and Mexican traffic today). I think I've done enough talking. Now, what do you think of this plan?

[gwjordan1950]

I hope the BNSF doesn't merge with the NS. That would be some of the ugliest color combination around! I see alot of BNSF power on the CSX double main," ex B&O", through Defiance Oh. I would say 9 to 1 over UP. What ever happens, you can bet their will be a grid lock beyond belief!!!

[gwjordan1950]

I hope the BNSF doesn't merge with the NS. That would be some of the ugliest color combination around! I see alot of BNSF power on the CSX double main," ex B&O", through Defiance Oh. I would say 9 to 1 over UP. What ever happens, you can bet their will be a grid lock beyond belief!!!

[Anonymous]

I don't think that there should be any more supermergers. After all, each and every one of the Class I railroads in the US and Canada interact interchangeably to all of their benefits now, so why would any of them want to ruin a good thing? As for a merger between NS and BNSF, why? BNSF has rail in 28 states and 4 Canadian provinces. NS has rail all along the Atlantic seaboard from New Jersey to Florida and the Midwest from Illinois to the Gulf of Mexico. A merger between CN and CSX? Why? CN has rail all over Canada from east to west, while CSX has rail from Florida and Georgia northwards into Michigan and most of the midwest. Rail traffic between them is very profitable to both railroads. CP/UP? Why? CP has rail and/or trackage rights on UP rail from Chicago to Pittsburgh and points eastward, and UP vice versa. They have rail westward to Vacouver Island and southward from there into Washington and the entire Pacific seaboard. I've also seen CP running on trackage rights from Washington state to Maine. Finally, I heartily agree with another respondent's comment about the CP/UP merger. The US and Canadian goverments collectively would never allow it. Personally, I hope negotiations never get that far.
Regards,
BoomBoom

[Anonymous]

I don't think that there should be any more supermergers. After all, each and every one of the Class I railroads in the US and Canada interact interchangeably to all of their benefits now, so why would any of them want to ruin a good thing? As for a merger between NS and BNSF, why? BNSF has rail in 28 states and 4 Canadian provinces. NS has rail all along the Atlantic seaboard from New Jersey to Florida and the Midwest from Illinois to the Gulf of Mexico. A merger between CN and CSX? Why? CN has rail all over Canada from east to west, while CSX has rail from Florida and Georgia northwards into Michigan and most of the midwest. Rail traffic between them is very profitable to both railroads. CP/UP? Why? CP has rail and/or trackage rights on UP rail from Chicago to Pittsburgh and points eastward, and UP vice versa. They have rail westward to Vacouver Island and southward from there into Washington and the entire Pacific seaboard. I've also seen CP running on trackage rights from Washington state to Maine. Finally, I heartily agree with another respondent's comment about the CP/UP merger. The US and Canadian goverments collectively would never allow it. Personally, I hope negotiations never get that far.
Regards,
BoomBoom