Bad train pictures

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Depends on whether you want him to blast you with the headlight and ditch lights on full...

Seriously, if you have the exposed bulb on, it makes no difference, he(or she) can see the light from a long distance.

From the engine, after you are a few cars away, all the engineer really sees is a point of light, wether you point it directly at them or not.


The "flashlight" portion is just that, a flashlight for the switchman to use to read his list, or inspect a car, or just light where he is walking.

Ed

Ed is absolutely correct. When I am running, don't point the light in my eyes if you are close unless you really need my IMMEDIATE attention. From further away it doesn't matter much.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Depends on whether you want him to blast you with the headlight and ditch lights on full...

Seriously, if you have the exposed bulb on, it makes no difference, he(or she) can see the light from a long distance.

From the engine, after you are a few cars away, all the engineer really sees is a point of light, wether you point it directly at them or not.


The "flashlight" portion is just that, a flashlight for the switchman to use to read his list, or inspect a car, or just light where he is walking.

Ed

Ed is absolutely correct. When I am running, don't point the light in my eyes if you are close unless you really need my IMMEDIATE attention. From further away it doesn't matter much.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

I'm curious why every road does not require an orange safety vest with Scotchlite stripes to be worn by all operating department employees. It sure makes a difference at night. CPR requires this, but does any other Class I?

Your thoughts, Ed?

Mark-

Just as an add on. CPR requires not only its people to wear the scotchlite it also requires ANYONE working on the property to wear one. NS crews have them for pickup and delivery runs to CPR yards and not wearing it will get you banished from their property.

Conrail issued reflective belts and radio holsters as does the NS. They are not required wear. Conrail had a safety award that was a nice warm blue jacket with reflective lettering and striping that was given one year as a safety bonus, but that also was never required wear.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

I'm curious why every road does not require an orange safety vest with Scotchlite stripes to be worn by all operating department employees. It sure makes a difference at night. CPR requires this, but does any other Class I?

Your thoughts, Ed?

Mark-

Just as an add on. CPR requires not only its people to wear the scotchlite it also requires ANYONE working on the property to wear one. NS crews have them for pickup and delivery runs to CPR yards and not wearing it will get you banished from their property.

Conrail issued reflective belts and radio holsters as does the NS. They are not required wear. Conrail had a safety award that was a nice warm blue jacket with reflective lettering and striping that was given one year as a safety bonus, but that also was never required wear.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, conductor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters and FELA. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, conductor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters and FELA. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

[DaveBr]

I recently saw a parked freight train on the siding.There were 5 flatbeds (or some other?)in a row with two axles inbetween each flatbed except at the end which had the regular 2 axles.This type of car must carry a very light load.
But what are these type of cars used for?12 axles total
DaveBr.

[DaveBr]

I recently saw a parked freight train on the siding.There were 5 flatbeds (or some other?)in a row with two axles inbetween each flatbed except at the end which had the regular 2 axles.This type of car must carry a very light load.
But what are these type of cars used for?12 axles total
DaveBr.

[rvos1979]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

I'm curious why every road does not require an orange safety vest with Scotchlite stripes to be worn by all operating department employees. It sure makes a difference at night. CPR requires this, but does any other Class I?

Your thoughts, Ed?

Mark:
I do know that CN requires vests for T&E, and WSOR requires vests for T&E and MOW employees. On WSOR, They provide orange mesh vests, but I prefer the lime green ala DOT, I think it is more visible when dirty. I'm not sure what is cooler, I prefer the fabric over the mesh, I also have a reflective long-sleeve shirt (my co-workers don't like it when I wear it to work)

Randy Vos
WSOR Engineer

[rvos1979]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

I'm curious why every road does not require an orange safety vest with Scotchlite stripes to be worn by all operating department employees. It sure makes a difference at night. CPR requires this, but does any other Class I?

Your thoughts, Ed?

Mark:
I do know that CN requires vests for T&E, and WSOR requires vests for T&E and MOW employees. On WSOR, They provide orange mesh vests, but I prefer the lime green ala DOT, I think it is more visible when dirty. I'm not sure what is cooler, I prefer the fabric over the mesh, I also have a reflective long-sleeve shirt (my co-workers don't like it when I wear it to work)

Randy Vos
WSOR Engineer

[Anonymous]

Just so we're clear I have done other things as well, but nowhere near as many cool things as Ed.

Other cool non-railroad things have included service as an Assistant District Attorney (small county prosecuting everything from jaywalking to homicide) , Police Officer in a medium sized municipal agency (200 sworn officers plus staff), associate and partner in various law firms, arbitrator and judge pro tem. Firefighter/EMT with two departments for a total of 12 years.

During that time I have had the opportunity to appear before the U.S. Supreme Court (twice), California Supreme Court (once) and any number of appellate and trial courts both state and federal. Still, I have never seen an African sunrise.

LC

[Anonymous]

Just so we're clear I have done other things as well, but nowhere near as many cool things as Ed.

Other cool non-railroad things have included service as an Assistant District Attorney (small county prosecuting everything from jaywalking to homicide) , Police Officer in a medium sized municipal agency (200 sworn officers plus staff), associate and partner in various law firms, arbitrator and judge pro tem. Firefighter/EMT with two departments for a total of 12 years.

During that time I have had the opportunity to appear before the U.S. Supreme Court (twice), California Supreme Court (once) and any number of appellate and trial courts both state and federal. Still, I have never seen an African sunrise.

LC

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, condutor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

That's the cool stuff I'm talking about. Getting into all that particularly the V.P part would be really nice. I can't help think that the only way I might get into something like that is if E.Hunter Harrison copied Donald Trump and started an Apprentice like t.v show and I won.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, condutor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

That's the cool stuff I'm talking about. Getting into all that particularly the V.P part would be really nice. I can't help think that the only way I might get into something like that is if E.Hunter Harrison copied Donald Trump and started an Apprentice like t.v show and I won.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, condutor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

That's the cool stuff I'm talking about. Getting into all that particularly the V.P part would be really nice. I can't help think that the only way I might get into something like that is if E.Hunter Harrison copied Donald Trump and started an Apprentice like t.v show and I won.

There is no easy way to accompli***hings. You have to get out there and try. Darn few shortcuts in this industry.

That said, I'm sure you can find a RR job at a Class 1 or short line in Canada and get yourself started. That is how it all begins...

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Hey LC, have you been(or are you) a trainmaster? I know you were a conductor and you probably have been an engineer but have you done other cool stuff?

No, never a trainmaster. Was a yardmaster for a time. Yes I have been a trainman, brakeman, condutor and locomotive engineer. These various capacities have been on both Class 1 and Class 3 railroads at various times.

Depends upon what you mean by other cool stuff. I have represented railroads as outside (retained) counsel in grade crossing and environmental matters. I have acted as general counsel for several short lines including forming new short lines by incorporating the corporations, and ICC and STB filings. I have negotiated union agreements. I have been a member of two operating unions and advised on starting a new local in one case. I have served as senior management (V.P. for one short line).

LC

That's the cool stuff I'm talking about. Getting into all that particularly the V.P part would be really nice. I can't help think that the only way I might get into something like that is if E.Hunter Harrison copied Donald Trump and started an Apprentice like t.v show and I won.

There is no easy way to accompli***hings. You have to get out there and try. Darn few shortcuts in this industry.

That said, I'm sure you can find a RR job at a Class 1 or short line in Canada and get yourself started. That is how it all begins...

LC

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DaveBr

I recently saw a parked freight train on the siding.There were 5 flatbeds (or some other?)in a row with two axles inbetween each flatbed except at the end which had the regular 2 axles.This type of car must carry a very light load.
But what are these type of cars used for?12 axles total
DaveBr.

Dave,

Many Double Stack cars and some single level intermodal cars are built this way, and are often considered as a single car (in five sections). The individual platforms, often five platforms as you describe, are usually carried on "100 ton" trucks at the end and "125 ton" trucks between platforms. There are specially designed pivots at the inner ends of the platforms that allow each section to rest on a single truck. This reduces the weight of the car, since there are no intermediate couplers, and one less truck per platform. The trucks are allowed to carry half the weight quoted (it refers to the capacity of a car with two trucks), so the intermediate platforms can carry 62.5 tons, since they each have a half share of two trucks. This is more than enough for a single trailer, and enough to carry two 48' containers. This would allow the five cars to carry about 300 tons - this isn't a "light load" in intermodal terms, but a lot less than coal or ore cars.

I hope this helps

Peter

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DaveBr

I recently saw a parked freight train on the siding.There were 5 flatbeds (or some other?)in a row with two axles inbetween each flatbed except at the end which had the regular 2 axles.This type of car must carry a very light load.
But what are these type of cars used for?12 axles total
DaveBr.

Dave,

Many Double Stack cars and some single level intermodal cars are built this way, and are often considered as a single car (in five sections). The individual platforms, often five platforms as you describe, are usually carried on "100 ton" trucks at the end and "125 ton" trucks between platforms. There are specially designed pivots at the inner ends of the platforms that allow each section to rest on a single truck. This reduces the weight of the car, since there are no intermediate couplers, and one less truck per platform. The trucks are allowed to carry half the weight quoted (it refers to the capacity of a car with two trucks), so the intermediate platforms can carry 62.5 tons, since they each have a half share of two trucks. This is more than enough for a single trailer, and enough to carry two 48' containers. This would allow the five cars to carry about 300 tons - this isn't a "light load" in intermodal terms, but a lot less than coal or ore cars.

I hope this helps

Peter

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Eveready?

No, not the battery company. I'm looking for the lantern manufacturer. I used to have one but it broke and I got rid of it.

I think it was Streamline or something like that?? And I think it was in the midwest. This was maybe 8 to 10 years ago.

LC

LC,any of these ring a bell:

Adams & Westlake Co.
Justrite Mfg. Co.
Lovell-Dressel Co.
Sherburne Co.
Star Headlight & Lantern Co.

If any of them do,let me know,and I can give you the address as I have,
from my 1960s Pocketlist.(1st quarter 1960)

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Eveready?

No, not the battery company. I'm looking for the lantern manufacturer. I used to have one but it broke and I got rid of it.

I think it was Streamline or something like that?? And I think it was in the midwest. This was maybe 8 to 10 years ago.

LC

LC,any of these ring a bell:

Adams & Westlake Co.
Justrite Mfg. Co.
Lovell-Dressel Co.
Sherburne Co.
Star Headlight & Lantern Co.

If any of them do,let me know,and I can give you the address as I have,
from my 1960s Pocketlist.(1st quarter 1960)

[Overmod]

I think the original premise of RoadRailers was that multiple companies could share the same consist, just as different trailers share a TOFC consist or different containers are carried via a single stack train. One difference may be that, since the trailers themselves form the railroad running gear, any accident attributable to a fault in one trailer which causes damage to others would be a liability to the faulty trailer's owning company -- this general logic is why most shipping lines have their own separate underframes for rubber-tire container moves.

The original RoadRailers with the single 'tag' axle had to be purpose-built, of course. It's my understanding that the current ones are also differently framed in the vans, landing gear, etc. and that it isn't cost-effective to convert existing vans to bimodal vehicles. I would expect that when the concept catches on a bit better, we'll see some other names in trailer or vehicle manufacture produce compatible systems, but I suspect there are still some patents in force which might not be licensed extensively by their present holders (I don't know the status of this, or who has the intellectual-property rights, but there are several people on this forum who are in a position to know)

[Overmod]

I think the original premise of RoadRailers was that multiple companies could share the same consist, just as different trailers share a TOFC consist or different containers are carried via a single stack train. One difference may be that, since the trailers themselves form the railroad running gear, any accident attributable to a fault in one trailer which causes damage to others would be a liability to the faulty trailer's owning company -- this general logic is why most shipping lines have their own separate underframes for rubber-tire container moves.

The original RoadRailers with the single 'tag' axle had to be purpose-built, of course. It's my understanding that the current ones are also differently framed in the vans, landing gear, etc. and that it isn't cost-effective to convert existing vans to bimodal vehicles. I would expect that when the concept catches on a bit better, we'll see some other names in trailer or vehicle manufacture produce compatible systems, but I suspect there are still some patents in force which might not be licensed extensively by their present holders (I don't know the status of this, or who has the intellectual-property rights, but there are several people on this forum who are in a position to know)

[edblysard]

Wow,
You got to present a case to the US Supreme Court?
Absolutely cool!

Andrew...thats the one place where you have only two options...
You are either win, or you dont win...no real compromise.

Awesome!

Most of my "adventrues" were because my parents taught all of us that the phrase "I can't" was a excersise in self defeat...

Instead, we were taught the concept of "why not"

There is a great line in the movie "The Untouchables"..Sean Connery is talking to Kevin Costener...discussing what they can do to "get" Capone...

All Hollywood aside, when he says
"What are you willing to do?",
thats is exactly the attitude my parents instilled in my self and my sisters.

"How bad do you want it and what are you willing to do to make it happen?"

I must have heard that phrase at least a hundred times....and somewhere along the line, it quit being something my parents were saying, but became instead a way of living and making decisions.

I got lucky, the opportunity to travel with my Dad during the last part of his service years was a fluke, I was in the right place at the right age, at the right time....but it did come with sacrifices... always being the one white kid in a room full of Japanese, where everyone had black hair and was a good foot shorter than me.

The African sunrise had its own cost.

I didnt get to bathe for three days, ate out of cans and had to boil any water I drank, plus you had the put up with about a million mosquitoes that make the Texas version look like house pets...

Something was always trying to bite me, always...

But for me, it was well worth it.

Know why?

Because now I know that just because some people dont have the water, or live in a culture where bathing your body daily isnt the norm, that dosnt make them dirty, just diferent than the culture I grew up in...and by the way, the couple my Dad and I were visiting with, lived in what most Americans would call a shack...and the inside of it was spotless, the small table, and the few cooking tools thay had were beyond clean.

So, even though they didnt bathe every day, well, you get to the point that you really dont notice, because it becomes the norm...

Anything they had, any object or tool, they would have gladly given to us, without reserve, and no sense of debt, because thats how they live.

Those that need are given too, those that have do the giving, with no thought about owing each other, thats just the way it is...

So I learned from all of this one lasting lesson...

The only thing that limits your world is you, and your attitude.

You can either look at life as a world full of walls, boxing you into a single, set path...

or you can look at life as a place full of chances to learn something new, see something and meet someone different every chance you get.

I bet if you had told LC, when he was a brand new law student that some day he would present a argument to the US Supreme Court, he would have told you, "Yes, I sure will", because he dosnt let the idea of "I can't" get in his way...

So you want to be a railroader?
What are you willing to do to become one?
Move to a new place...sell your car?
Give up your studies for a year or two?

Trust me, life is way too short to wait around for things to happen.
If you want something, well, you best get after it, right now, before the chance escapes you, or time and inertia end up gluing you in place.


Know why LC has been all the things he has been?

No one told him he couldn't be...

Know why Mark Hemphill has been a dispatcher, and repaired locomotives, along with being the Editor of a major magazine and earned a few college degrees along the way?

No one told him "no, you can't"...and if they did, he ignored them....

Your choice, your life.

Ed

[edblysard]

Wow,
You got to present a case to the US Supreme Court?
Absolutely cool!

Andrew...thats the one place where you have only two options...
You are either win, or you dont win...no real compromise.

Awesome!

Most of my "adventrues" were because my parents taught all of us that the phrase "I can't" was a excersise in self defeat...

Instead, we were taught the concept of "why not"

There is a great line in the movie "The Untouchables"..Sean Connery is talking to Kevin Costener...discussing what they can do to "get" Capone...

All Hollywood aside, when he says
"What are you willing to do?",
thats is exactly the attitude my parents instilled in my self and my sisters.

"How bad do you want it and what are you willing to do to make it happen?"

I must have heard that phrase at least a hundred times....and somewhere along the line, it quit being something my parents were saying, but became instead a way of living and making decisions.

I got lucky, the opportunity to travel with my Dad during the last part of his service years was a fluke, I was in the right place at the right age, at the right time....but it did come with sacrifices... always being the one white kid in a room full of Japanese, where everyone had black hair and was a good foot shorter than me.

The African sunrise had its own cost.

I didnt get to bathe for three days, ate out of cans and had to boil any water I drank, plus you had the put up with about a million mosquitoes that make the Texas version look like house pets...

Something was always trying to bite me, always...

But for me, it was well worth it.

Know why?

Because now I know that just because some people dont have the water, or live in a culture where bathing your body daily isnt the norm, that dosnt make them dirty, just diferent than the culture I grew up in...and by the way, the couple my Dad and I were visiting with, lived in what most Americans would call a shack...and the inside of it was spotless, the small table, and the few cooking tools thay had were beyond clean.

So, even though they didnt bathe every day, well, you get to the point that you really dont notice, because it becomes the norm...

Anything they had, any object or tool, they would have gladly given to us, without reserve, and no sense of debt, because thats how they live.

Those that need are given too, those that have do the giving, with no thought about owing each other, thats just the way it is...

So I learned from all of this one lasting lesson...

The only thing that limits your world is you, and your attitude.

You can either look at life as a world full of walls, boxing you into a single, set path...

or you can look at life as a place full of chances to learn something new, see something and meet someone different every chance you get.

I bet if you had told LC, when he was a brand new law student that some day he would present a argument to the US Supreme Court, he would have told you, "Yes, I sure will", because he dosnt let the idea of "I can't" get in his way...

So you want to be a railroader?
What are you willing to do to become one?
Move to a new place...sell your car?
Give up your studies for a year or two?

Trust me, life is way too short to wait around for things to happen.
If you want something, well, you best get after it, right now, before the chance escapes you, or time and inertia end up gluing you in place.


Know why LC has been all the things he has been?

No one told him he couldn't be...

Know why Mark Hemphill has been a dispatcher, and repaired locomotives, along with being the Editor of a major magazine and earned a few college degrees along the way?

No one told him "no, you can't"...and if they did, he ignored them....

Your choice, your life.

Ed

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod

I think the original premise of RoadRailers was that multiple companies could share the same consist, just as different trailers share a TOFC consist or different containers are carried via a single stack train. One difference may be that, since the trailers themselves form the railroad running gear, any accident attributable to a fault in one trailer which causes damage to others would be a liability to the faulty trailer's owning company -- this general logic is why most shipping lines have their own separate underframes for rubber-tire container moves.

The original RoadRailers with the single 'tag' axle had to be purpose-built, of course. It's my understanding that the current ones are also differently framed in the vans, landing gear, etc. and that it isn't cost-effective to convert existing vans to bimodal vehicles. I would expect that when the concept catches on a bit better, we'll see some other names in trailer or vehicle manufacture produce compatible systems, but I suspect there are still some patents in force which might not be licensed extensively by their present holders (I don't know the status of this, or who has the intellectual-property rights, but there are several people on this forum who are in a position to know)

Maybe the roadrailer industries should invest in some sort of liability insurance.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod

I think the original premise of RoadRailers was that multiple companies could share the same consist, just as different trailers share a TOFC consist or different containers are carried via a single stack train. One difference may be that, since the trailers themselves form the railroad running gear, any accident attributable to a fault in one trailer which causes damage to others would be a liability to the faulty trailer's owning company -- this general logic is why most shipping lines have their own separate underframes for rubber-tire container moves.

The original RoadRailers with the single 'tag' axle had to be purpose-built, of course. It's my understanding that the current ones are also differently framed in the vans, landing gear, etc. and that it isn't cost-effective to convert existing vans to bimodal vehicles. I would expect that when the concept catches on a bit better, we'll see some other names in trailer or vehicle manufacture produce compatible systems, but I suspect there are still some patents in force which might not be licensed extensively by their present holders (I don't know the status of this, or who has the intellectual-property rights, but there are several people on this forum who are in a position to know)

Maybe the roadrailer industries should invest in some sort of liability insurance.

[Modelcar]

...Pretty wild Ed, but we pretty much know it's true....and I can attest, life goes really fast.

[Modelcar]

...Pretty wild Ed, but we pretty much know it's true....and I can attest, life goes really fast.

[Junctionfan]

To explain my liability insurance thing, if they protect themselves from being sued, maybe they would be more comfortable intermingling each others trailers. Frankly, I'm surprised that this issue hasn't been addressed on the forum (unless it has). I would have though the railroads would have had this stuff sorted for their van trains.

I'm curious to know what the container companies do. I imagine that companies like OOCL, K Line, Maersk Sealand, Evergreen, P&O Nedlloyd and others could bang up each others containers at port never mind dump them in the ocean if their ships are in trouble.

[Junctionfan]

To explain my liability insurance thing, if they protect themselves from being sued, maybe they would be more comfortable intermingling each others trailers. Frankly, I'm surprised that this issue hasn't been addressed on the forum (unless it has). I would have though the railroads would have had this stuff sorted for their van trains.

I'm curious to know what the container companies do. I imagine that companies like OOCL, K Line, Maersk Sealand, Evergreen, P&O Nedlloyd and others could bang up each others containers at port never mind dump them in the ocean if their ships are in trouble.