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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:21 AM
He is going to be ok, well, except his hair, thats a really odd color, kinda coppery green tint...
He gets a week off with pay out of it.
Hard way to get a weeks vacation!
Mookie, your welcome to come on down anytime, with the way things have been going, we may just need your help.
Ten days and counting, and I get my regular engineer back!!
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:21 AM
He is going to be ok, well, except his hair, thats a really odd color, kinda coppery green tint...
He gets a week off with pay out of it.
Hard way to get a weeks vacation!
Mookie, your welcome to come on down anytime, with the way things have been going, we may just need your help.
Ten days and counting, and I get my regular engineer back!!
Stay Frosty,
Ed

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:49 AM
I Karamba

sounds like that burned!

I usually jsut ask for a week off and get it! i don't have to burn myself, or throw myself of a bridge or douce myself in benzine and light 'er up.

But i hope he's doing better...
Ed for a laugh.. tell him i'm dying my hair the same colour as his is.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:49 AM
I Karamba

sounds like that burned!

I usually jsut ask for a week off and get it! i don't have to burn myself, or throw myself of a bridge or douce myself in benzine and light 'er up.

But i hope he's doing better...
Ed for a laugh.. tell him i'm dying my hair the same colour as his is.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

He is going to be ok, well, except his hair, thats a really odd color, kinda coppery green tint...
He gets a week off with pay out of it.
Hard way to get a weeks vacation!
Mookie, your welcome to come on down anytime, with the way things have been going, we may just need your help.
Ten days and counting, and I get my regular engineer back!!
Stay Frosty,
Ed


Coppery green tink hummmmmmm so that is what the punks call it. The only ones around here who "color" their hair need to be in juvy (and throw away the key).
I didn't say that--you all know--the devil made me do it. [}:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

He is going to be ok, well, except his hair, thats a really odd color, kinda coppery green tint...
He gets a week off with pay out of it.
Hard way to get a weeks vacation!
Mookie, your welcome to come on down anytime, with the way things have been going, we may just need your help.
Ten days and counting, and I get my regular engineer back!!
Stay Frosty,
Ed


Coppery green tink hummmmmmm so that is what the punks call it. The only ones around here who "color" their hair need to be in juvy (and throw away the key).
I didn't say that--you all know--the devil made me do it. [}:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 29, 2003 2:57 AM
OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO [:0] [:0] [:0]

This thread seems to be waning again. [|)] Think we might wax it a little. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 29, 2003 2:57 AM
OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO [:0] [:0] [:0]

This thread seems to be waning again. [|)] Think we might wax it a little. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO [:0] [:0] [:0]

This thread seems to be waning again. [|)] Think we might wax it a little. [;)]


HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmm

I guess I will have to wax it myself.

So here goes. Ed, this isn't the stupid question thread, but since this accident is posted in this thread I will ask a question here. Years ago I heard the statement that the railroads were self-insured. One year mother (who retired from Frisco with 36 years service) bought a very nice charcoal grill from the railroad. It was of course salvalged. She stated that a train had derailed and the railroad was selling the grills. The one we received was still in the carton and had no damage. It gave us many years of fine service. Things might or might not be the same now. I don't know. Things might be different with a terminal railroad verses a long haul class 1, there again, I don't know. So even though I am posting this question in other than the stupid question thread I believe our crowd will still see it. Talk, please, about the railroad's insurance in reference to their locos and boxcars, etc., and about your friend who had the acid accident. Do the railroad's carry workman's comp insurance? Do they foot the bill themself and have no insurance? The locos are financed correct. If so the holding company or trust or whoever holds the note would require insurance. I was sorry to hear about his accident. It does, however, fuel these questions. Once again, this is not intended as a test. None of my question will ever be so.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 30, 2003 2:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

OOOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO [:0] [:0] [:0]

This thread seems to be waning again. [|)] Think we might wax it a little. [;)]


HHHHHHmmmmmmmmmm

I guess I will have to wax it myself.

So here goes. Ed, this isn't the stupid question thread, but since this accident is posted in this thread I will ask a question here. Years ago I heard the statement that the railroads were self-insured. One year mother (who retired from Frisco with 36 years service) bought a very nice charcoal grill from the railroad. It was of course salvalged. She stated that a train had derailed and the railroad was selling the grills. The one we received was still in the carton and had no damage. It gave us many years of fine service. Things might or might not be the same now. I don't know. Things might be different with a terminal railroad verses a long haul class 1, there again, I don't know. So even though I am posting this question in other than the stupid question thread I believe our crowd will still see it. Talk, please, about the railroad's insurance in reference to their locos and boxcars, etc., and about your friend who had the acid accident. Do the railroad's carry workman's comp insurance? Do they foot the bill themself and have no insurance? The locos are financed correct. If so the holding company or trust or whoever holds the note would require insurance. I was sorry to hear about his accident. It does, however, fuel these questions. Once again, this is not intended as a test. None of my question will ever be so.
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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:12 AM
Ok,
we will start with my buddy who got the acid bath, because all railroads will do this if they can.
Number one goal of the carrier is to NOT have to report any personal injury to the FRA, it goes in the records, and all railroads compete for the Harriman award, a safety award that carries a measure of prestige, along with a little million dollar award.
Plus their insurance rates take into account all injuries, and set the rates accordingly.
So, what the PTRA did is pay for his trip to the emergency room, his clothes, boots, any follow up medical treatment, and sent him home for a while, with pay.
Because there are no offical "lost" work days, (remember, he is still on the payroll) they dont have to report it to the FRA.
Once the company doctor releases him to go to work, even though he hasnt
officaly 'missed" any days, our claim agent will offer him a cash settlement for his injury.
If he accepts, then he will sign a waiver releasing the carrier from any futher legal liability, and promise to keep his mouth shut.
If he drops dead ten minutes after signing it, oh well, too sad.
After he accepts, the carrier will then report it as a injury, but with no lost days, and show him treated and released on the same day, which dosnt count against our safety record.
If he dosnt accept it, and sues, he will lose his job, or if he still keeps his job, he will be hounded and harrassed till he quits or accepts the carriers offer.
Sneaky?
You bet, but thats railroading.

As for damaged goods from derailments, once the carriers insurance agent has paided the shippers for their porduct, it becomes the property of the insurance company, they dispose of it at will.
For us, salvage and resale of the products we carry is kinda hard, its mostly petrochemical products, plastics, grains, coke, steel, things of that nature, we rarely get any general freight, other than a boxcar of bricks everyonce in a while.
We do handle autos, Volkswagons and Volvos, but I doubt they would resell them once they were in a railroad accident.

Heres a little history of the PTRA.
Founded in 1924, it is a netural terminal road, serving the Houston ship channel petrochemical industry, the Houston City docks, and most industries along the north and south shore of the ship channel.
The land the railroad sits on is owned by the Harris County Navagation district, who manage the ship channel, and all the bayous, bridges and rivers in Harris county.
The rail, locomotives and buildings, and all the physical property is owned by the Port Authority of Houston.
Both the Port Authority and Navagation District are public interest enties, or in essence, the citizens of Harris county and Houston own them.
We offer a netural terminal services and switching services to our member lines, which means we dont favor any one over another.
Due to the limited amount of space, it would be impossible for all of these railroads to build tracks into the ship channel area, you have 450 industries and refineries jamed along the banks of a 90 mile long channel, surrounded by suburbs and cities.
So there is one railroad along the channel, the PTRA, Port Terminal Railroad Assocation.
This allows industires to pick and chose who they ship with from our member lines, with no preference for one or another.
We pull and spot the industires, and then interchange the cars with our member lines at two of our major yards, North yard, and Pasadena yard.
This relieves the members of having to worry about how and when their customers are served, all they have to do is deliver the cars to us, we do the rest.

To give you a picture of the volume we do, today in North Yard alone, we took in 1100 cars to take to the customers, and sent out on BNSF, UP and Tex Mex 1500 outbounds.
Thats 2600 cars in one day, on a slow holiday weekend in one yard.

Our operating budget come from our member lines, the Navagation district and the Port Authority, or the taxpayers of Harris county.
Because we are a terminal road, and a class 3 railroad, our expenses are less than a class one, which allows us to charge less than the class ones for services, but we do make a profit, which retires our operating budget, and still leaves enough leftover to pay very nice bonuses to the officers.

For upper management, we have a superintendent, who reports to a President, who is also the CEO.
These two make the day to day and long range decisions of our operations.
Both of them report to the board of directors, which made up of a person from each of our member lines, BNSF, UP and the TexMex, the Harris County Navagation District, the Port Authority of Houston, and a representive from the City of Houston, and the Harris County Commissioners Court, the goverment of Harris county and the PetroChemical manufactors Assocaton of Harris County, a trade group.
These heavy hitters make the long, long range decisions on operations.
No member of our labor union particpates in these meetings, and labor is not represented at all.
Go figure!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:12 AM
Ok,
we will start with my buddy who got the acid bath, because all railroads will do this if they can.
Number one goal of the carrier is to NOT have to report any personal injury to the FRA, it goes in the records, and all railroads compete for the Harriman award, a safety award that carries a measure of prestige, along with a little million dollar award.
Plus their insurance rates take into account all injuries, and set the rates accordingly.
So, what the PTRA did is pay for his trip to the emergency room, his clothes, boots, any follow up medical treatment, and sent him home for a while, with pay.
Because there are no offical "lost" work days, (remember, he is still on the payroll) they dont have to report it to the FRA.
Once the company doctor releases him to go to work, even though he hasnt
officaly 'missed" any days, our claim agent will offer him a cash settlement for his injury.
If he accepts, then he will sign a waiver releasing the carrier from any futher legal liability, and promise to keep his mouth shut.
If he drops dead ten minutes after signing it, oh well, too sad.
After he accepts, the carrier will then report it as a injury, but with no lost days, and show him treated and released on the same day, which dosnt count against our safety record.
If he dosnt accept it, and sues, he will lose his job, or if he still keeps his job, he will be hounded and harrassed till he quits or accepts the carriers offer.
Sneaky?
You bet, but thats railroading.

As for damaged goods from derailments, once the carriers insurance agent has paided the shippers for their porduct, it becomes the property of the insurance company, they dispose of it at will.
For us, salvage and resale of the products we carry is kinda hard, its mostly petrochemical products, plastics, grains, coke, steel, things of that nature, we rarely get any general freight, other than a boxcar of bricks everyonce in a while.
We do handle autos, Volkswagons and Volvos, but I doubt they would resell them once they were in a railroad accident.

Heres a little history of the PTRA.
Founded in 1924, it is a netural terminal road, serving the Houston ship channel petrochemical industry, the Houston City docks, and most industries along the north and south shore of the ship channel.
The land the railroad sits on is owned by the Harris County Navagation district, who manage the ship channel, and all the bayous, bridges and rivers in Harris county.
The rail, locomotives and buildings, and all the physical property is owned by the Port Authority of Houston.
Both the Port Authority and Navagation District are public interest enties, or in essence, the citizens of Harris county and Houston own them.
We offer a netural terminal services and switching services to our member lines, which means we dont favor any one over another.
Due to the limited amount of space, it would be impossible for all of these railroads to build tracks into the ship channel area, you have 450 industries and refineries jamed along the banks of a 90 mile long channel, surrounded by suburbs and cities.
So there is one railroad along the channel, the PTRA, Port Terminal Railroad Assocation.
This allows industires to pick and chose who they ship with from our member lines, with no preference for one or another.
We pull and spot the industires, and then interchange the cars with our member lines at two of our major yards, North yard, and Pasadena yard.
This relieves the members of having to worry about how and when their customers are served, all they have to do is deliver the cars to us, we do the rest.

To give you a picture of the volume we do, today in North Yard alone, we took in 1100 cars to take to the customers, and sent out on BNSF, UP and Tex Mex 1500 outbounds.
Thats 2600 cars in one day, on a slow holiday weekend in one yard.

Our operating budget come from our member lines, the Navagation district and the Port Authority, or the taxpayers of Harris county.
Because we are a terminal road, and a class 3 railroad, our expenses are less than a class one, which allows us to charge less than the class ones for services, but we do make a profit, which retires our operating budget, and still leaves enough leftover to pay very nice bonuses to the officers.

For upper management, we have a superintendent, who reports to a President, who is also the CEO.
These two make the day to day and long range decisions of our operations.
Both of them report to the board of directors, which made up of a person from each of our member lines, BNSF, UP and the TexMex, the Harris County Navagation District, the Port Authority of Houston, and a representive from the City of Houston, and the Harris County Commissioners Court, the goverment of Harris county and the PetroChemical manufactors Assocaton of Harris County, a trade group.
These heavy hitters make the long, long range decisions on operations.
No member of our labor union particpates in these meetings, and labor is not represented at all.
Go figure!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:35 AM
Wow Ed, very informative. Thank You. [:)]

You covered the topic very well. Now speaking of coverage ... oh never mind. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:35 AM
Wow Ed, very informative. Thank You. [:)]

You covered the topic very well. Now speaking of coverage ... oh never mind. [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 12:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that Kevin is M I A again. I haven't seen him on the forums in days. [:(] I sure hope pol-E bear didn't eat him.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 12:27 PM
Has anyone noticed that Kevin is M I A again. I haven't seen him on the forums in days. [:(] I sure hope pol-E bear didn't eat him.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 5:34 PM
Sorry, i had so much work to do.. just finished of 44 hours in the last 4 days.. thats roughly 10 hours a day.. hey wait.. that evenly makes ELEVEN!

Wow, i'm a mathimatical genius, o hate leaving this place, i always wonder whats going on when i'm not around..

So i'm BIA Back in action.. wow my jokes suck!

I'll be back when i ahve soemthing EVEN FUNNIER to say!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 2, 2003 5:34 PM
Sorry, i had so much work to do.. just finished of 44 hours in the last 4 days.. thats roughly 10 hours a day.. hey wait.. that evenly makes ELEVEN!

Wow, i'm a mathimatical genius, o hate leaving this place, i always wonder whats going on when i'm not around..

So i'm BIA Back in action.. wow my jokes suck!

I'll be back when i ahve soemthing EVEN FUNNIER to say!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 12:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Sorry, i had so much work to do.. just finished of 44 hours in the last 4 days.. thats roughly 10 hours a day.. hey wait.. that evenly makes ELEVEN!

Wow, i'm a mathimatical genius, o hate leaving this place, i always wonder whats going on when i'm not around..

So i'm BIA Back in action.. wow my jokes suck!

I'll be back when i ahve soemthing EVEN FUNNIER to say!


Hi Kevin Glad to see you are back. [:)]
About your jokes . . . maybe that is why you are a railroader and not a comodian lol
When you go by the snooty rich people's neighborhood give them a few short blast just for me. [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 12:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Sorry, i had so much work to do.. just finished of 44 hours in the last 4 days.. thats roughly 10 hours a day.. hey wait.. that evenly makes ELEVEN!

Wow, i'm a mathimatical genius, o hate leaving this place, i always wonder whats going on when i'm not around..

So i'm BIA Back in action.. wow my jokes suck!

I'll be back when i ahve soemthing EVEN FUNNIER to say!


Hi Kevin Glad to see you are back. [:)]
About your jokes . . . maybe that is why you are a railroader and not a comodian lol
When you go by the snooty rich people's neighborhood give them a few short blast just for me. [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 4:30 PM
Yes, yes!! I love doing that.. then when complaints are files.. i sya.. well there was a CAT or a DEER or a Dog on the tracks.. i had to honk the horn.. lately i've been saying..

Well (whoever called in) there dog was on the tracks, if they tied it up, i wouldn't have to honk, would I?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 3, 2003 4:30 PM
Yes, yes!! I love doing that.. then when complaints are files.. i sya.. well there was a CAT or a DEER or a Dog on the tracks.. i had to honk the horn.. lately i've been saying..

Well (whoever called in) there dog was on the tracks, if they tied it up, i wouldn't have to honk, would I?
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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:28 AM
Kevin - you honk? Hmmm - going to put that in the Mookie File of Information.....

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:28 AM
Kevin - you honk? Hmmm - going to put that in the Mookie File of Information.....

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:29 AM
and - you speak French, too!!!!!

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 6:29 AM
and - you speak French, too!!!!!

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Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, September 4, 2003 9:35 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

and - you speak French, too!!!!!

MadamLa mook
Mosuier Kev
is from le quebec.most people their speak le french.
tres bien
stay safe[:D]
joe

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Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, September 4, 2003 9:35 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

and - you speak French, too!!!!!

MadamLa mook
Mosuier Kev
is from le quebec.most people their speak le french.
tres bien
stay safe[:D]
joe

Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").

 

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 12:31 PM
And people in Defiance Ohio, too!

My French consists of Pepe La Pew, bone jour madamorsel, and french toast - of course!

La Mook! - like that - has nice ring to it. Now I wonder what language Da Mook is - Joisey?

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, September 4, 2003 12:31 PM
And people in Defiance Ohio, too!

My French consists of Pepe La Pew, bone jour madamorsel, and french toast - of course!

La Mook! - like that - has nice ring to it. Now I wonder what language Da Mook is - Joisey?

She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw

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