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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:35 AM
My locomotive is completely dead and cold. How do I initially start it back up? Oh, I lost my keys. Does this make a difference?

When I am sitting and "resting" as so often happens when I want to leave town, the air hisses every so often. Is this an automatic release? Or is it just a bad attitude?

Does an locomotive have a transmission per se? Does it have a "clutch" per se? Does anyone per se?

I am sitting and "resting" as happened last weekend - 35 min worth before people got bored themselves and left! What can I do with that extra time while I am waiting for a go? Do I have to talk to the conductor only or can I do something exciting like write home, talk on a cell phone, put on lipstick or listen to music?[:o)]

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:35 AM
My locomotive is completely dead and cold. How do I initially start it back up? Oh, I lost my keys. Does this make a difference?

When I am sitting and "resting" as so often happens when I want to leave town, the air hisses every so often. Is this an automatic release? Or is it just a bad attitude?

Does an locomotive have a transmission per se? Does it have a "clutch" per se? Does anyone per se?

I am sitting and "resting" as happened last weekend - 35 min worth before people got bored themselves and left! What can I do with that extra time while I am waiting for a go? Do I have to talk to the conductor only or can I do something exciting like write home, talk on a cell phone, put on lipstick or listen to music?[:o)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:46 AM
This is going to soud dumb but how do you start a train? Is there a key or button or somthing?

Don"t be to harsh.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:46 AM
This is going to soud dumb but how do you start a train? Is there a key or button or somthing?

Don"t be to harsh.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:49 AM
Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]


to start a loco you close the battery switch, put the isolation switch to start, then you go outside to the start station and turn the switch to prime the fuel sys.. after that you move the same switch to the start position while giving the engine a little extra fuel with the lay shaft till it starts [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:49 AM
Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]


to start a loco you close the battery switch, put the isolation switch to start, then you go outside to the start station and turn the switch to prime the fuel sys.. after that you move the same switch to the start position while giving the engine a little extra fuel with the lay shaft till it starts [;)]
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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]
Actually I am trying to get this forum to liven up a little![:o)]

Mook

PS - I do have the GCOR, but we haven't gotten to the part about the keys.

And - while I have your face here - why is there a front door - a door behind the engineer and not behind the conductor? (SD70MAC) Doesn't he rate a door, too?

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]
Actually I am trying to get this forum to liven up a little![:o)]

Mook

PS - I do have the GCOR, but we haven't gotten to the part about the keys.

And - while I have your face here - why is there a front door - a door behind the engineer and not behind the conductor? (SD70MAC) Doesn't he rate a door, too?

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:55 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bryan9664

This is going to soud dumb but how do you start a train? Is there a key or button or somthing?

Don"t be to harsh.
Bryan - they will tear our ears off! Trust me!

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:55 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bryan9664

This is going to soud dumb but how do you start a train? Is there a key or button or somthing?

Don"t be to harsh.
Bryan - they will tear our ears off! Trust me!

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Posted by Willy2 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:59 AM
Bryan: I have Microsoft Train Simulator. In it it tells you how to get your train moving. There is someting called a reverser that you put forward if you want to go foward and backward if you want to back up. Next release the brakes. Then you increase the throttle to power up the engines. Once all of that is done you can go.

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Posted by Willy2 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 10:59 AM
Bryan: I have Microsoft Train Simulator. In it it tells you how to get your train moving. There is someting called a reverser that you put forward if you want to go foward and backward if you want to back up. Next release the brakes. Then you increase the throttle to power up the engines. Once all of that is done you can go.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:00 AM
usually the lazy butt conductor is leaning against the back wall with his feet up on the other seat LOL
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:00 AM
usually the lazy butt conductor is leaning against the back wall with his feet up on the other seat LOL
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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:03 AM
There is a door for the conductor, directly in front of him.
The engineer has to come in and go out the back door.
We conductors, the class act, get to use the front door.
Any why would a engineer need his own door? Once their fanny is in the seat, you couldnt get them out of it without a stick of dynamite!

All kidding aside, the resaon the door is behind the engineer is because all of his duties revolve around the locomotive, most of what he needs to look at and touch are in the long hood behind him.
The conductor has to get up and down from the locomotive more than the engineer, lining switches, pulling pins, things like that. It makes more sense for the door to be in front of the person who needs to go in and out more.

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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:03 AM
There is a door for the conductor, directly in front of him.
The engineer has to come in and go out the back door.
We conductors, the class act, get to use the front door.
Any why would a engineer need his own door? Once their fanny is in the seat, you couldnt get them out of it without a stick of dynamite!

All kidding aside, the resaon the door is behind the engineer is because all of his duties revolve around the locomotive, most of what he needs to look at and touch are in the long hood behind him.
The conductor has to get up and down from the locomotive more than the engineer, lining switches, pulling pins, things like that. It makes more sense for the door to be in front of the person who needs to go in and out more.

Stay frosty,
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Posted by Willy2 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:03 AM
Derailed1999: In real life it must be a lot more complicated than it is in Microsoft Train Simulator to get a train moving. You do not do any of that in Train Simulator.

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Posted by Willy2 on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:03 AM
Derailed1999: In real life it must be a lot more complicated than it is in Microsoft Train Simulator to get a train moving. You do not do any of that in Train Simulator.

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 AM
Mookie:
Dead for how long? Are the batteries still charged?
How cold? Is it below freezing? If so, did the previous crew drain the water?
Lost keys? Car keys? No key needed for locomotive.

Hissing air? Is is a 'spitting' or a hisssssssss? The spitting is a 'blow-dry' valve that pops every so often to get rid of condensation in the main air resevoir (this prevents the safety-valve from freezing in cold weather). A long hissssssss is an air leak.

There is no mechanical gear-type transmission in a locomotive. The older (pre-1972) units had anywhere form 4 to 22 electrical 'transition' steps. There is some debate currently as to whether the new locomotives have transition ( the debate was in a post from a few weeks ago). Some folks say the locos still have transition, some say no.

As to what the current rules are regarding sitting-time, I do not know. On the CNW we were not allowed to do any of those 'fun' things you mention. Of course, we did them anyway. My favorite passtime was sleeping.

If there were trains passing, we would sometimes play "boxcar poker". Each would take turns chosing a passing freight car (long before one could read any identifying info), then the person that chose the car with the best 'hand' (car numbers) would win that hand. Gambling was, of course, never done; and if you believe that, I have some land to sell you.............
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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:04 AM
Mookie:
Dead for how long? Are the batteries still charged?
How cold? Is it below freezing? If so, did the previous crew drain the water?
Lost keys? Car keys? No key needed for locomotive.

Hissing air? Is is a 'spitting' or a hisssssssss? The spitting is a 'blow-dry' valve that pops every so often to get rid of condensation in the main air resevoir (this prevents the safety-valve from freezing in cold weather). A long hissssssss is an air leak.

There is no mechanical gear-type transmission in a locomotive. The older (pre-1972) units had anywhere form 4 to 22 electrical 'transition' steps. There is some debate currently as to whether the new locomotives have transition ( the debate was in a post from a few weeks ago). Some folks say the locos still have transition, some say no.

As to what the current rules are regarding sitting-time, I do not know. On the CNW we were not allowed to do any of those 'fun' things you mention. Of course, we did them anyway. My favorite passtime was sleeping.

If there were trains passing, we would sometimes play "boxcar poker". Each would take turns chosing a passing freight car (long before one could read any identifying info), then the person that chose the car with the best 'hand' (car numbers) would win that hand. Gambling was, of course, never done; and if you believe that, I have some land to sell you.............
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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]


to start a loco you close the battery switch, put the isolation switch to start, then you go outside to the start station and turn the switch to prime the fuel sys.. after that you move the same switch to the start position while giving the engine a little extra fuel with the lay shaft till it starts [;)]
Marty: I have my hands full with GCOR book and .......... you do what?????

This sounds like you put in the key - you get out and run around to the front and crank it a few times, then jump in and give it a little gas and hope!!!!

Why would you close the battery switch, what is an isolation switch, where is the start station, what is a lay shaft and do you still think I am cute? [:X]

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

Mook: are you trying to give me a technical question headache. If I knew I would get it back and it wouldn't make the rounds to everyone on this forum, Iwould loan you my shopcraft training book from the UP. It would keep you busy for a few days. [;)][:D][8D]


to start a loco you close the battery switch, put the isolation switch to start, then you go outside to the start station and turn the switch to prime the fuel sys.. after that you move the same switch to the start position while giving the engine a little extra fuel with the lay shaft till it starts [;)]
Marty: I have my hands full with GCOR book and .......... you do what?????

This sounds like you put in the key - you get out and run around to the front and crank it a few times, then jump in and give it a little gas and hope!!!!

Why would you close the battery switch, what is an isolation switch, where is the start station, what is a lay shaft and do you still think I am cute? [:X]

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Mookie:
Dead for how long? Are the batteries still charged?
How cold? Is it below freezing? If so, did the previous crew drain the water?
Lost keys? Car keys? No key needed for locomotive.

Hissing air? Is is a 'spitting' or a hisssssssss? The spitting is a 'blow-dry' valve that pops every so often to get rid of condensation in the main air resevoir (this prevents the safety-valve from freezing in cold weather). A long hissssssss is an air leak.

There is no mechanical gear-type transmission in a locomotive. The older (pre-1972) units had anywhere form 4 to 22 electrical 'transition' steps. There is some debate currently as to whether the new locomotives have transition ( the debate was in a post from a few weeks ago). Some folks say the locos still have transition, some say no.

As to what the current rules are regarding sitting-time, I do not know. On the CNW we were not allowed to do any of those 'fun' things you mention. Of course, we did them anyway. My favorite passtime was sleeping.

If there were trains passing, we would sometimes play "boxcar poker". Each would take turns chosing a passing freight car (long before one could read any identifying info), then the person that chose the car with the best 'hand' (car numbers) would win that hand. Gambling was, of course, never done; and if you believe that, I have some land to sell you.............
Zardoz - thanx for info - I know GCOR sez no reclining, putting feet up and closing eyes - so crew would probably sit the same way I do in my recliner - feet on floor, hands at side and just before the eyes go shut, saying "I am going to check my eyelids for holes - be right back."

The hiss is just an every so often - sounds like a release of extra pressure - does this make sense - and does it just do it automatically? Our bus does it too - every so often while waiting for a fare.

Where is this land? [:D]

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 11:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Mookie:
Dead for how long? Are the batteries still charged?
How cold? Is it below freezing? If so, did the previous crew drain the water?
Lost keys? Car keys? No key needed for locomotive.

Hissing air? Is is a 'spitting' or a hisssssssss? The spitting is a 'blow-dry' valve that pops every so often to get rid of condensation in the main air resevoir (this prevents the safety-valve from freezing in cold weather). A long hissssssss is an air leak.

There is no mechanical gear-type transmission in a locomotive. The older (pre-1972) units had anywhere form 4 to 22 electrical 'transition' steps. There is some debate currently as to whether the new locomotives have transition ( the debate was in a post from a few weeks ago). Some folks say the locos still have transition, some say no.

As to what the current rules are regarding sitting-time, I do not know. On the CNW we were not allowed to do any of those 'fun' things you mention. Of course, we did them anyway. My favorite passtime was sleeping.

If there were trains passing, we would sometimes play "boxcar poker". Each would take turns chosing a passing freight car (long before one could read any identifying info), then the person that chose the car with the best 'hand' (car numbers) would win that hand. Gambling was, of course, never done; and if you believe that, I have some land to sell you.............
Zardoz - thanx for info - I know GCOR sez no reclining, putting feet up and closing eyes - so crew would probably sit the same way I do in my recliner - feet on floor, hands at side and just before the eyes go shut, saying "I am going to check my eyelids for holes - be right back."

The hiss is just an every so often - sounds like a release of extra pressure - does this make sense - and does it just do it automatically? Our bus does it too - every so often while waiting for a fare.

Where is this land? [:D]

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:38 PM
Jen-
There is also a safety valve on the air tanks to prevent the pressure from exceding a pre-set limit (around 140psi). The air compressor is supposed to stop around 135psi, but if the air pressure becomes too great, this safety valve is there to release some of the air to avoid the main resevoir tanks rupturing.

I suppose, if one was so inclined, one could say the locomotive 'breaks wind"[:D]

And this is done automatically. Just like with people.[;)]
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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 1:38 PM
Jen-
There is also a safety valve on the air tanks to prevent the pressure from exceding a pre-set limit (around 140psi). The air compressor is supposed to stop around 135psi, but if the air pressure becomes too great, this safety valve is there to release some of the air to avoid the main resevoir tanks rupturing.

I suppose, if one was so inclined, one could say the locomotive 'breaks wind"[:D]

And this is done automatically. Just like with people.[;)]
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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 2:24 PM
Well, Zardoz - you definitely put it in terms I could understand!

I appreciate that!

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 2:24 PM
Well, Zardoz - you definitely put it in terms I could understand!

I appreciate that!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:54 PM
But some engines have transmissions. The Stewartstown Railroad operated its 7 mile route with two Plymouth gas mechanical locos...they had a transmission and a clutch! The famous Strasburg RR bought a Plymouth loco way back in the early 30's...it's still on the property and quite servicable. And no, these weren't Chrysler products, but the Plymouth Locomotive of Plymouth, O., originally Fate-Root-Heath. They mostly were used in private industry, but some went to common carriers. So see what you can find out on Google about Plymouth Locos, girly!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 9:54 PM
But some engines have transmissions. The Stewartstown Railroad operated its 7 mile route with two Plymouth gas mechanical locos...they had a transmission and a clutch! The famous Strasburg RR bought a Plymouth loco way back in the early 30's...it's still on the property and quite servicable. And no, these weren't Chrysler products, but the Plymouth Locomotive of Plymouth, O., originally Fate-Root-Heath. They mostly were used in private industry, but some went to common carriers. So see what you can find out on Google about Plymouth Locos, girly!

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