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Originally posted by zardoz1 Tim- Thanks for posting this. Could you please confirm the date and time of the classes. [/quote I made a mistake on the date!! Corrected date is July 30th at noon and 6PM It also states that no one will enter the course unless Union Pacific makes contingent job offers. Sorry for the mistake TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:21 PM Originally posted by zardoz1 Tim- Thanks for posting this. Could you please confirm the date and time of the classes. [/quote I made a mistake on the date!! Corrected date is July 30th at noon and 6PM It also states that no one will enter the course unless Union Pacific makes contingent job offers. Sorry for the mistake TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit cabforward Member sinceDecember 2014 512 posts Posted by cabforward on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:27 PM america's job bank [ajb] has listings by state & nation-wide for r.r. jobs.. listings average 160-200 each week.. unfortunately, employers do not care whether the entry has anthing to do w/r.rs.. there are listings for cab drivers, ups drivers, etc.. this slows scanning down a little, but titles are e-z to read.. r.r. jobs are plainly titled conductor, switchman, etc.. listings can be arranged by one or more states, one or more kinds of r.r. jobs or nation-wide.. COTTON BELT RUNS A Blue Streak Reply cabforward Member sinceDecember 2014 512 posts Posted by cabforward on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:27 PM america's job bank [ajb] has listings by state & nation-wide for r.r. jobs.. listings average 160-200 each week.. unfortunately, employers do not care whether the entry has anthing to do w/r.rs.. there are listings for cab drivers, ups drivers, etc.. this slows scanning down a little, but titles are e-z to read.. r.r. jobs are plainly titled conductor, switchman, etc.. listings can be arranged by one or more states, one or more kinds of r.r. jobs or nation-wide.. COTTON BELT RUNS A Blue Streak Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:41 PM AMDG was recruiting here in Kansas City recently, and the UP jobs available were for the extra board only. All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:41 PM AMDG was recruiting here in Kansas City recently, and the UP jobs available were for the extra board only. All the Way! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:27 AM I applied as a freight conductor but put the application on hold when I found out that I'd be on call 24/7 for 15-20 years, according to the HR guy from UP. That seemed like social suicide to me. They only give you 3 hrs. from the time they call you to get to work and you can be called 5 hours after you finish a job. What I wish I knew is a) how many hours/week you work in an average day?, b) how often you get called back within 16 hours of finishing a job? and c) if the person responsible for making the calls can give you an idea of how likely / how soon you will be called back at a given time? Right now I don't understand how any conductor can have any kind of life at all. Any railroaders out there (especially UP conductors) who know? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:27 AM I applied as a freight conductor but put the application on hold when I found out that I'd be on call 24/7 for 15-20 years, according to the HR guy from UP. That seemed like social suicide to me. They only give you 3 hrs. from the time they call you to get to work and you can be called 5 hours after you finish a job. What I wish I knew is a) how many hours/week you work in an average day?, b) how often you get called back within 16 hours of finishing a job? and c) if the person responsible for making the calls can give you an idea of how likely / how soon you will be called back at a given time? Right now I don't understand how any conductor can have any kind of life at all. Any railroaders out there (especially UP conductors) who know? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Hey, It beats knocking off all night liquor stores. Well OK, maybe the liquor store thing has a more reliable schedule and you would be able to spend more time with the family. But the railroad offers Insurance!! TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Hey, It beats knocking off all night liquor stores. Well OK, maybe the liquor store thing has a more reliable schedule and you would be able to spend more time with the family. But the railroad offers Insurance!! TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:52 PM Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:52 PM Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT Mr. Voss, I do not know how legal this is but, numerous members have asked about railroad jobs. In the Chicago Tribune jobs section on page 17. AMDG is training Conductors in the Chicago area for the UNION PACIFIC R.R. Requirements; Valid Drivers License No Felonies or Misdemeaners in the last 7 years No drug or Alchol convistions in the last 3 years Outside and Shift work Preferred Interviews will be held at Daley College 7500 South Pulaski on June 30th at noon and 6PM Call 866-300-5198 ext. 201 or 203 for more info. David I hope I did not break any policies [?][?] TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT Mr. Voss, I do not know how legal this is but, numerous members have asked about railroad jobs. In the Chicago Tribune jobs section on page 17. AMDG is training Conductors in the Chicago area for the UNION PACIFIC R.R. Requirements; Valid Drivers License No Felonies or Misdemeaners in the last 7 years No drug or Alchol convistions in the last 3 years Outside and Shift work Preferred Interviews will be held at Daley College 7500 South Pulaski on June 30th at noon and 6PM Call 866-300-5198 ext. 201 or 203 for more info. David I hope I did not break any policies [?][?] TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Ken Ironken, I was at the job fair where AMDG was recruiting here in KC, and the recruiter said that new UP conductor hires here would go to the extra board, and should expect to be on the extra board for the first five years, but that wasn't a guarantee (could be longer). He wasn't sure about what AMDG was training UP new hires for in St. Louis the following week. AMDG also charges ALOT of money for a training program. Of course you would only go to training IF UP hires you. I don't like the aspect of PAYING someone to be hired [V][V] My late father was a trainman for the Santa Fe for over thirty years. Before he retired as an engineer in the late 1980's, he was third in senority. I know he enjoyed that [^][^][^] All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Ken Ironken, I was at the job fair where AMDG was recruiting here in KC, and the recruiter said that new UP conductor hires here would go to the extra board, and should expect to be on the extra board for the first five years, but that wasn't a guarantee (could be longer). He wasn't sure about what AMDG was training UP new hires for in St. Louis the following week. AMDG also charges ALOT of money for a training program. Of course you would only go to training IF UP hires you. I don't like the aspect of PAYING someone to be hired [V][V] My late father was a trainman for the Santa Fe for over thirty years. Before he retired as an engineer in the late 1980's, he was third in senority. I know he enjoyed that [^][^][^] All the Way! Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:41 PM Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Some guys like the extra board. Down here at the PTRA, some of our guys make $4400.00 to $5600.00 per half, (15 day pay period). But they are walking zombies, working 8 hours, off 8, back to work for another 8, so forth and so on. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:41 PM Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Some guys like the extra board. Down here at the PTRA, some of our guys make $4400.00 to $5600.00 per half, (15 day pay period). But they are walking zombies, working 8 hours, off 8, back to work for another 8, so forth and so on. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed Ed, Apparently, you misread or misunderstood my last post. The point of my original and last posting is that the AMDG recruiter is not suppling potential students with the full truth about how railroads work with new employees, and on top of that is charging a big chunk of change to train them for the railroad. I knew that the students would be on the extra board at least ten years. Also, I'm fully aware of railroad life. My late father missed some holidays and birthdays. He was third in senority on the Santa Fe, a class 1 road, before he retired with thirty years of trainman service in the late 1980's. He earned his full beard from the whiskers he grew through the senority rank and file. I have a friend who hired out on the BNSF as a conductor back in 1996. He was furloughed twice, but now starting to be on road assignments. You might not have it so rough on your small road, but on bigger roads you'd be just getting started in railroad life. Take care[:)] All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed Ed, Apparently, you misread or misunderstood my last post. The point of my original and last posting is that the AMDG recruiter is not suppling potential students with the full truth about how railroads work with new employees, and on top of that is charging a big chunk of change to train them for the railroad. I knew that the students would be on the extra board at least ten years. Also, I'm fully aware of railroad life. My late father missed some holidays and birthdays. He was third in senority on the Santa Fe, a class 1 road, before he retired with thirty years of trainman service in the late 1980's. He earned his full beard from the whiskers he grew through the senority rank and file. I have a friend who hired out on the BNSF as a conductor back in 1996. He was furloughed twice, but now starting to be on road assignments. You might not have it so rough on your small road, but on bigger roads you'd be just getting started in railroad life. Take care[:)] All the Way! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken [?]Thanks for the info. Do you mean 40 hrs/week. Is there any way to tell how fast the board is spinnin'? How do you manage to get shopping, laundry and groceries done? How do you handle putting your car in the shop? I really think I'd like working on the RR but I don't understand how a person manages to get anything done but work and sleep. Also, I don't imagine that railroaders have no life whatever. I've done on-call type work before in another profession and you learn when the slack times are and as you get to know coworkers, you can cover for eachother, etc. Also, if you have a dentist or doctor appointment, you can request not to be called during the time of your appointment or request half a day off. In another vein, do you know how this stuff got started? Back in the '70's I had a bud who worked as a brakeman on the C&NW. His life was hectic but I think he had a day or two off every week. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken [?]Thanks for the info. Do you mean 40 hrs/week. Is there any way to tell how fast the board is spinnin'? How do you manage to get shopping, laundry and groceries done? How do you handle putting your car in the shop? I really think I'd like working on the RR but I don't understand how a person manages to get anything done but work and sleep. Also, I don't imagine that railroaders have no life whatever. I've done on-call type work before in another profession and you learn when the slack times are and as you get to know coworkers, you can cover for eachother, etc. Also, if you have a dentist or doctor appointment, you can request not to be called during the time of your appointment or request half a day off. In another vein, do you know how this stuff got started? Back in the '70's I had a bud who worked as a brakeman on the C&NW. His life was hectic but I think he had a day or two off every week. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 3:31 PM Timbrewolf, by 40hrs, I meant 40hrs approx from the time I get on the train and leave until I return back to my home terminal. Depending on how long I was on duty, I may be called back to work in as little as 8-10 hrs. Off of the x-board, the only way to determine how fast it is turning is to look at vacancies and how many guys are rested, and on the board and how many times out you are. One little thing to throw into the mix is that if pool turns layoff or guys on the x board layoff that will create more vacancies (pool turn layoffs) or move you up on the board (x-board layoffs). The RR don't care about doc appts., car repairs, groceries, etc. You can put in for personal leave days (if you have them) or just layoff sick (they can't deny you that). One word of warning....if you exceed the attendance policy, you will get a nasty little letter from the TM or even have to go in for an investigation and a peepee slappin'. We can't have other employees cover for us. That is what the x-board is for. We protect the boards that are covered by that x-board. We do however have newly implemented rest cycles ours is a 7/3 (on the road). 7 days on and 3 off. You do not get paid for these days and bid on a rest cycle. The schedules are posted for the year. I can't afford to take these days. It can take a $3,600 half down to a $2,000 half in a hurry. With seniority, you can bid on daily mark yard jobs (former BN), or regular yard jobs (Santa Flush) which do have set rest days. You don't make as much as on an extra board. You will only get 5 starts a week on the DM as opposed to as many as 7+ on the switchmans x-board (yard). It is all about money and what you wanna make. Hope this helps, Kenny Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 3:31 PM Timbrewolf, by 40hrs, I meant 40hrs approx from the time I get on the train and leave until I return back to my home terminal. Depending on how long I was on duty, I may be called back to work in as little as 8-10 hrs. Off of the x-board, the only way to determine how fast it is turning is to look at vacancies and how many guys are rested, and on the board and how many times out you are. One little thing to throw into the mix is that if pool turns layoff or guys on the x board layoff that will create more vacancies (pool turn layoffs) or move you up on the board (x-board layoffs). The RR don't care about doc appts., car repairs, groceries, etc. You can put in for personal leave days (if you have them) or just layoff sick (they can't deny you that). One word of warning....if you exceed the attendance policy, you will get a nasty little letter from the TM or even have to go in for an investigation and a peepee slappin'. We can't have other employees cover for us. That is what the x-board is for. We protect the boards that are covered by that x-board. We do however have newly implemented rest cycles ours is a 7/3 (on the road). 7 days on and 3 off. You do not get paid for these days and bid on a rest cycle. The schedules are posted for the year. I can't afford to take these days. It can take a $3,600 half down to a $2,000 half in a hurry. With seniority, you can bid on daily mark yard jobs (former BN), or regular yard jobs (Santa Flush) which do have set rest days. You don't make as much as on an extra board. You will only get 5 starts a week on the DM as opposed to as many as 7+ on the switchmans x-board (yard). It is all about money and what you wanna make. Hope this helps, Kenny Reply Edit 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by zardoz1 Tim- Thanks for posting this. Could you please confirm the date and time of the classes. [/quote I made a mistake on the date!! Corrected date is July 30th at noon and 6PM It also states that no one will enter the course unless Union Pacific makes contingent job offers. Sorry for the mistake TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit cabforward Member sinceDecember 2014 512 posts Posted by cabforward on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:27 PM america's job bank [ajb] has listings by state & nation-wide for r.r. jobs.. listings average 160-200 each week.. unfortunately, employers do not care whether the entry has anthing to do w/r.rs.. there are listings for cab drivers, ups drivers, etc.. this slows scanning down a little, but titles are e-z to read.. r.r. jobs are plainly titled conductor, switchman, etc.. listings can be arranged by one or more states, one or more kinds of r.r. jobs or nation-wide.. COTTON BELT RUNS A Blue Streak Reply cabforward Member sinceDecember 2014 512 posts Posted by cabforward on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:27 PM america's job bank [ajb] has listings by state & nation-wide for r.r. jobs.. listings average 160-200 each week.. unfortunately, employers do not care whether the entry has anthing to do w/r.rs.. there are listings for cab drivers, ups drivers, etc.. this slows scanning down a little, but titles are e-z to read.. r.r. jobs are plainly titled conductor, switchman, etc.. listings can be arranged by one or more states, one or more kinds of r.r. jobs or nation-wide.. COTTON BELT RUNS A Blue Streak Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:41 PM AMDG was recruiting here in Kansas City recently, and the UP jobs available were for the extra board only. All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Monday, July 28, 2003 3:41 PM AMDG was recruiting here in Kansas City recently, and the UP jobs available were for the extra board only. All the Way! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:27 AM I applied as a freight conductor but put the application on hold when I found out that I'd be on call 24/7 for 15-20 years, according to the HR guy from UP. That seemed like social suicide to me. They only give you 3 hrs. from the time they call you to get to work and you can be called 5 hours after you finish a job. What I wish I knew is a) how many hours/week you work in an average day?, b) how often you get called back within 16 hours of finishing a job? and c) if the person responsible for making the calls can give you an idea of how likely / how soon you will be called back at a given time? Right now I don't understand how any conductor can have any kind of life at all. Any railroaders out there (especially UP conductors) who know? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:27 AM I applied as a freight conductor but put the application on hold when I found out that I'd be on call 24/7 for 15-20 years, according to the HR guy from UP. That seemed like social suicide to me. They only give you 3 hrs. from the time they call you to get to work and you can be called 5 hours after you finish a job. What I wish I knew is a) how many hours/week you work in an average day?, b) how often you get called back within 16 hours of finishing a job? and c) if the person responsible for making the calls can give you an idea of how likely / how soon you will be called back at a given time? Right now I don't understand how any conductor can have any kind of life at all. Any railroaders out there (especially UP conductors) who know? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Hey, It beats knocking off all night liquor stores. Well OK, maybe the liquor store thing has a more reliable schedule and you would be able to spend more time with the family. But the railroad offers Insurance!! TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:45 AM Hey, It beats knocking off all night liquor stores. Well OK, maybe the liquor store thing has a more reliable schedule and you would be able to spend more time with the family. But the railroad offers Insurance!! TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:52 PM Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:52 PM Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT Mr. Voss, I do not know how legal this is but, numerous members have asked about railroad jobs. In the Chicago Tribune jobs section on page 17. AMDG is training Conductors in the Chicago area for the UNION PACIFIC R.R. Requirements; Valid Drivers License No Felonies or Misdemeaners in the last 7 years No drug or Alchol convistions in the last 3 years Outside and Shift work Preferred Interviews will be held at Daley College 7500 South Pulaski on June 30th at noon and 6PM Call 866-300-5198 ext. 201 or 203 for more info. David I hope I did not break any policies [?][?] TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 6:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT Mr. Voss, I do not know how legal this is but, numerous members have asked about railroad jobs. In the Chicago Tribune jobs section on page 17. AMDG is training Conductors in the Chicago area for the UNION PACIFIC R.R. Requirements; Valid Drivers License No Felonies or Misdemeaners in the last 7 years No drug or Alchol convistions in the last 3 years Outside and Shift work Preferred Interviews will be held at Daley College 7500 South Pulaski on June 30th at noon and 6PM Call 866-300-5198 ext. 201 or 203 for more info. David I hope I did not break any policies [?][?] TIM ARGUBRIGHT Reply Edit Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Ken Ironken, I was at the job fair where AMDG was recruiting here in KC, and the recruiter said that new UP conductor hires here would go to the extra board, and should expect to be on the extra board for the first five years, but that wasn't a guarantee (could be longer). He wasn't sure about what AMDG was training UP new hires for in St. Louis the following week. AMDG also charges ALOT of money for a training program. Of course you would only go to training IF UP hires you. I don't like the aspect of PAYING someone to be hired [V][V] My late father was a trainman for the Santa Fe for over thirty years. Before he retired as an engineer in the late 1980's, he was third in senority. I know he enjoyed that [^][^][^] All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Saturday, August 16, 2003 8:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Ken Ironken, I was at the job fair where AMDG was recruiting here in KC, and the recruiter said that new UP conductor hires here would go to the extra board, and should expect to be on the extra board for the first five years, but that wasn't a guarantee (could be longer). He wasn't sure about what AMDG was training UP new hires for in St. Louis the following week. AMDG also charges ALOT of money for a training program. Of course you would only go to training IF UP hires you. I don't like the aspect of PAYING someone to be hired [V][V] My late father was a trainman for the Santa Fe for over thirty years. Before he retired as an engineer in the late 1980's, he was third in senority. I know he enjoyed that [^][^][^] All the Way! Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:41 PM Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Some guys like the extra board. Down here at the PTRA, some of our guys make $4400.00 to $5600.00 per half, (15 day pay period). But they are walking zombies, working 8 hours, off 8, back to work for another 8, so forth and so on. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:41 PM Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Some guys like the extra board. Down here at the PTRA, some of our guys make $4400.00 to $5600.00 per half, (15 day pay period). But they are walking zombies, working 8 hours, off 8, back to work for another 8, so forth and so on. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed Ed, Apparently, you misread or misunderstood my last post. The point of my original and last posting is that the AMDG recruiter is not suppling potential students with the full truth about how railroads work with new employees, and on top of that is charging a big chunk of change to train them for the railroad. I knew that the students would be on the extra board at least ten years. Also, I'm fully aware of railroad life. My late father missed some holidays and birthdays. He was third in senority on the Santa Fe, a class 1 road, before he retired with thirty years of trainman service in the late 1980's. He earned his full beard from the whiskers he grew through the senority rank and file. I have a friend who hired out on the BNSF as a conductor back in 1996. He was furloughed twice, but now starting to be on road assignments. You might not have it so rough on your small road, but on bigger roads you'd be just getting started in railroad life. Take care[:)] All the Way! Reply Trainnut484 Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Kansas City area 833 posts Posted by Trainnut484 on Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed Ed, Apparently, you misread or misunderstood my last post. The point of my original and last posting is that the AMDG recruiter is not suppling potential students with the full truth about how railroads work with new employees, and on top of that is charging a big chunk of change to train them for the railroad. I knew that the students would be on the extra board at least ten years. Also, I'm fully aware of railroad life. My late father missed some holidays and birthdays. He was third in senority on the Santa Fe, a class 1 road, before he retired with thirty years of trainman service in the late 1980's. He earned his full beard from the whiskers he grew through the senority rank and file. I have a friend who hired out on the BNSF as a conductor back in 1996. He was furloughed twice, but now starting to be on road assignments. You might not have it so rough on your small road, but on bigger roads you'd be just getting started in railroad life. Take care[:)] All the Way! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken [?]Thanks for the info. Do you mean 40 hrs/week. Is there any way to tell how fast the board is spinnin'? How do you manage to get shopping, laundry and groceries done? How do you handle putting your car in the shop? I really think I'd like working on the RR but I don't understand how a person manages to get anything done but work and sleep. Also, I don't imagine that railroaders have no life whatever. I've done on-call type work before in another profession and you learn when the slack times are and as you get to know coworkers, you can cover for eachother, etc. Also, if you have a dentist or doctor appointment, you can request not to be called during the time of your appointment or request half a day off. In another vein, do you know how this stuff got started? Back in the '70's I had a bud who worked as a brakeman on the C&NW. His life was hectic but I think he had a day or two off every week. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken [?]Thanks for the info. Do you mean 40 hrs/week. Is there any way to tell how fast the board is spinnin'? How do you manage to get shopping, laundry and groceries done? How do you handle putting your car in the shop? I really think I'd like working on the RR but I don't understand how a person manages to get anything done but work and sleep. Also, I don't imagine that railroaders have no life whatever. I've done on-call type work before in another profession and you learn when the slack times are and as you get to know coworkers, you can cover for eachother, etc. Also, if you have a dentist or doctor appointment, you can request not to be called during the time of your appointment or request half a day off. In another vein, do you know how this stuff got started? Back in the '70's I had a bud who worked as a brakeman on the C&NW. His life was hectic but I think he had a day or two off every week. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 3:31 PM Timbrewolf, by 40hrs, I meant 40hrs approx from the time I get on the train and leave until I return back to my home terminal. Depending on how long I was on duty, I may be called back to work in as little as 8-10 hrs. Off of the x-board, the only way to determine how fast it is turning is to look at vacancies and how many guys are rested, and on the board and how many times out you are. One little thing to throw into the mix is that if pool turns layoff or guys on the x board layoff that will create more vacancies (pool turn layoffs) or move you up on the board (x-board layoffs). The RR don't care about doc appts., car repairs, groceries, etc. You can put in for personal leave days (if you have them) or just layoff sick (they can't deny you that). One word of warning....if you exceed the attendance policy, you will get a nasty little letter from the TM or even have to go in for an investigation and a peepee slappin'. We can't have other employees cover for us. That is what the x-board is for. We protect the boards that are covered by that x-board. We do however have newly implemented rest cycles ours is a 7/3 (on the road). 7 days on and 3 off. You do not get paid for these days and bid on a rest cycle. The schedules are posted for the year. I can't afford to take these days. It can take a $3,600 half down to a $2,000 half in a hurry. With seniority, you can bid on daily mark yard jobs (former BN), or regular yard jobs (Santa Flush) which do have set rest days. You don't make as much as on an extra board. You will only get 5 starts a week on the DM as opposed to as many as 7+ on the switchmans x-board (yard). It is all about money and what you wanna make. Hope this helps, Kenny Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 18, 2003 3:31 PM Timbrewolf, by 40hrs, I meant 40hrs approx from the time I get on the train and leave until I return back to my home terminal. Depending on how long I was on duty, I may be called back to work in as little as 8-10 hrs. Off of the x-board, the only way to determine how fast it is turning is to look at vacancies and how many guys are rested, and on the board and how many times out you are. One little thing to throw into the mix is that if pool turns layoff or guys on the x board layoff that will create more vacancies (pool turn layoffs) or move you up on the board (x-board layoffs). The RR don't care about doc appts., car repairs, groceries, etc. You can put in for personal leave days (if you have them) or just layoff sick (they can't deny you that). One word of warning....if you exceed the attendance policy, you will get a nasty little letter from the TM or even have to go in for an investigation and a peepee slappin'. We can't have other employees cover for us. That is what the x-board is for. We protect the boards that are covered by that x-board. We do however have newly implemented rest cycles ours is a 7/3 (on the road). 7 days on and 3 off. You do not get paid for these days and bid on a rest cycle. The schedules are posted for the year. I can't afford to take these days. It can take a $3,600 half down to a $2,000 half in a hurry. With seniority, you can bid on daily mark yard jobs (former BN), or regular yard jobs (Santa Flush) which do have set rest days. You don't make as much as on an extra board. You will only get 5 starts a week on the DM as opposed to as many as 7+ on the switchmans x-board (yard). It is all about money and what you wanna make. Hope this helps, Kenny Reply Edit 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT Mr. Voss, I do not know how legal this is but, numerous members have asked about railroad jobs. In the Chicago Tribune jobs section on page 17. AMDG is training Conductors in the Chicago area for the UNION PACIFIC R.R. Requirements; Valid Drivers License No Felonies or Misdemeaners in the last 7 years No drug or Alchol convistions in the last 3 years Outside and Shift work Preferred Interviews will be held at Daley College 7500 South Pulaski on June 30th at noon and 6PM Call 866-300-5198 ext. 201 or 203 for more info. David I hope I did not break any policies [?][?] TIM ARGUBRIGHT
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Trainnut, somebody gave you some bad info. The RRs don't hire specific for a certain board, i.e. extra board. They hire for a certain craft, then you can bid/bump/be forced to the jobs that your seniority will carry you. I don't have alot of seniority and hold pool turns from time to time. Ken
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QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Timberwolf and Trainut, The time frame UP gives is intended to give you a idea of how a career railroading can go. The extra board is where new hires for brakeman, conductors end up, because they are lowest on the seniority roster. The higher your are on the roster, the better job you can hold, often a regular scheduled job with set days off. The "older" you are, the better job you can hold. Get some wiskers, you can get on a regular job. After 7 years, I am in the upper third of the senority roster here, but we are a small railroad. And they do warn you right up front, you will not have a social life, you will miss every one of your kids birthdays, every holiday. But if its what you want to do, you will know within a month of hiring on, and it real hard to quit! Stay Frosty, Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken Timbrewolf, where I am at on the BNSF, I get a 2hour call, and average 12hrs-plus each way. I usually am gone 40hours or more. If the board is spinnin', I will usually get back out on my rest (if I was on duty 12hrs...10 hrs rest, less than 12hrs...8hrs rest. I can request 10 hrs rest if I want by local agreement) Ken
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