QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service)
Dan
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path....
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
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QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week
QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James
Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R."
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company
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