QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 at 6:00am this morning i saw a ns freight with these engines ns, up, ns is it what most of you said?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service)
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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Personally I think he is having fun PPing on people older then him. JMHO though
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas [#ditto] Well said James.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 that is not true
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom The more I read this topic the more I begin to wonder who the real fools are here. It sounds to me like he is just leading you all along to see how long you will play this game of "respond to my ridiculous posts".
QUOTE: The other day we had to pick up a Conrail-painted NS unit at Kalamazoo's Botsford Yard because our P42 died; we tied it on the front of the 28. I didn't want to say anything before, knowing how rumors get started... but we did it to show everyone out here that NS is buying Amtrak and then repainting all the equipment French Blue.
QUOTE: AS CEO of Norfolk Southern, Paul ,I will tell you that we have already taken over EVERY RAILROAD IN THE WORLD, but ya know, mums the word.
QUOTE: paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate
QUOTE: Well, to all of you doubters. I sent my own letter to the NS and they said that they weren't gonna answer Paul's letter until the 32nd of March. Here's what they told me. There is NO Merger planned with any other Rail company....NONE! What they did say is that they were planning on merging with Tyco and Mattel. The merger will result in entirely new train consists. The new NS Tyco trains will all feature "real locomotive sounds," whistles and bells and real smoke coming out of the exhaust stack. The new trains will be powered by 1,000 AA batteries and have cabbage patch kids at the throttle. The new paint scheme will resemble the old NS scheme withthe addition of a big happy clown face on the front of every motor. There will be a sweepstake to be an engineer for the day. The official game pieces will be in specially marked boxes of sugarsmacks cereal, many will enter, few will win......good luck.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 paul your right the union pacific and bnsf are trying to buy out the ns and the csx railroads . they wont tell you up front and it is against company policy to say anything. with in 5 years there will be only one railroad running coast to coast made of 2 railroads the bn and the up. they will keep the markings of their home frieght line but will run under a new name. also in breaking news the congress has passed a bill to run amtrak nationally and there is a 2.5billion dollar grant to lay high speed rail from L.A. callifornia to hawaii. it will be cheaper to take the train instead of flying and to keep cost down they will be using mexican labor. it will be all electric and with work ongoing 24 hrs aday the job should be done in 3 years. dont tell anyone this is top secreate
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 all right i will acept what everybody has said but i like to do my own investigating my self that is why i sent the letter to the company.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5? Not as amazing as the fact that I'm still poping in here. It's kind of like watching clowns, they are so lame, yet you still watch them.[(-D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Does anyone else think that it is amazing that this topic is up to page 5?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 here an unusal sighting that i saw. i saw a conrail freight engine pulling a union pacfic freight engine heading towards valley forge and harrisburg.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 can you just be very nice to me
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 okay i will show respect can we be friends?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 I AM NOT CAMPING OUTSIDE MY MAILBOX AND BY THE WAY I DO NOT HAVE A MAILBOX. ITS GETS DELIVERED TO MY DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper Don't squash an independent spirit!
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 if there is one thing i have got to say it is that i am still in high school and i am junior, not only that but i do not know most of these things that you talk about since i am in 11th grade in high school. Is this fine with everybody?
Dan
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 well the letter has not showed up letand i do not know what happend to it
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1 yes we still use cabooses they are some what smaller than the ones in the past and more modern and lots of electronics in them now. we can operate with out them but its easier to use them. and we dont just use our own we use what ever is avalible and stick them to the rear. jest as long as its a caboose is all we care.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Me thinks you people are being led down the garden path....
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will find out the results some time this week
QUOTE: Originally posted by James_the_Mad Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James
Originally posted by mackb4 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mackb4 Member sinceJanuary 2002 From: My Old Kentucky Home 599 posts Posted by mackb4 on Monday, March 6, 2006 12:40 AM I work for the NS and have not heard a new rumor about any merger in a while.With the price of NS's stock going up the way it is,it will be a task for anyone to try and takeover or merge.The only talk I have heard is the increase in coal and intermodal that's on the horizin.After the NS completes it's tunnel projects we will surely look more valuable in a merger or a shared assets agreement.But there is to much to read into seeing railroads sharing power.They get sometype of tax break doing this.I had an almost brand new BNSF engine on a time freight last trip.And seen plenty of UP's on other trains.What's odd is I hardly ever see a CSX engine on one of our trains.Maybe people see them on NS train's elsewhere ? [2c] Collin ,operator of the " Eastern Kentucky & Ohio R.R." Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 2:39 PM Seand; I agree; there are no stupid questions, especially from newbies. But when 6 guys answer the question, and the response is; "i will contact the company and find out more," I can see why the response would be something on the order of; "Then why did you bother to ask the question in the first place, if all you're going to do is tell us you don't believe us and imply we're lying to you?" Which is about what came down in this thread. I'm not exactly a regular on this board, but I've spent enough time posting on various boards to know what a flagrant violation of netiquete that is. Shalom, James Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 11:15 AM 1st there is no stupid question & the reason it comes up often is because to someone just starting to railfan it is unusual to see mixed equipment run together. think of the last time you saw a trucking company haul somebody elses trailer such as a schneider cab hauling a millis trailer/doesnt happen. it seems odd that fierce competitors would enter into agrements to help each other. I myself am new to the hobby & asked same question nly last week & made several new & friendly contacts who gave me great info(they didnt bother to ask why I raised the question). -2ndly Ive been seeing an old RIO-Grande engine near pittsburgh on NS tracks / looks likeSD45. who decides what to "loan out"? seems like a SD45 is not comparble to loaning UP a newr engine? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 4, 2006 3:49 AM Hey..is Conrail merging with Union Pacific? More evidence of a NS and UP merger: Oh maybe a NS and BNSF merger: Maybe UP and Conrail are merging with CSX: I sure am confused! ****Joking![:p] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 11:17 PM My house backs up to the UP right of way in central California, in an area where BNSF also has trackage rights, and I see as many BNSF trains as I do UP. I see NS units on just about every other train, and it doesn't matter if the train is BNSF or UP. I also see CSX units regularly and KCS units occasionally, again on both BNSF and UP trains. I also see CN, CP and MRL units once in a while, although they are seen primarily on BNSF trains. If the trains behind my house are any any indication, we must looking at a 3-way merger between BNSF, UP & NS. [;)] James Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 12:20 PM I will shortly be in Texas & I will guess I will see NSRR locos there as well. Thanks for the kudo also[:p] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 you are a nice person Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:51 AM you are a nice person http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, March 3, 2006 9:25 AM All I can say to this post is good luck [:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, March 3, 2006 6:12 AM thank you but i am going to find out more from the company http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:29 AM Yes thanks & hope that also answered your question [:o)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:02 AM neat and you were right on what you said http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47 AM Bump. So did you have time to look up that web site I sent U yesterday & your comments if U did [?][?] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:47 AM Did you open up the link I sent U & review it to see the pix of a NSRR locos helping pull both a EB & WB BNSF train in California? Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:20 AM the letter was sent today and i should get a response this weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:51 AM Bump waiting for the strarter of this thread to advise us all of his contacts with the NSRR that he said he would he would be doing Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:16 AM Click on the below link. It was made in Nov 05 east of Daggett CA yes that is right California where the NSRR supposely does not serve. 1st you will see a NSRR loco as part of a EB consist then we did a 180 & caught a WB also with a NSRR loco in its consist also east of Daggett CA http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360162034832389620 [:p] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:27 AM all you forum mebers need to appologize to paul he is correct there is something in the works. a massive merger. here is how it goes 1) the railroads have made a massave power pool at all major city when trains come in and die the power is taken to a holding area the first ones there get the best power.( must have a ligit train to get power) this is why you see NS trains with Union pacific power. most up power is in great shape so they run for it regular then they run for the bnsf power after that they go get the ns power and then lease power. seems the only place we see csx power is on csx tracks. 2) the code used is simple get a straight cut of power if possible but every now and then you see mixed units bnsf with ns power and so on. amtrak wanted in on the power merger but we tried giving them yellow and black units ( union pacific sd70 and ns dash 8 and 9s ) but the didnt want there trains looking like checker cabs that were on fire. if they would do that maybe they get there on time..... 3) once power was assigned it stayed on trains to destination were the carrier had to fuel and put them back nto the power merger pool. thats it no bigger story that that. i waiting for the rail ed works for to put there power in the pool. .... By the way Ed do you guys have the same problem with new conductors staying awake. mine seem to fall asleep about the time they sit down on the engine..do you have this problem ed.............................ed....................................ed wake up!!!!! Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 AM Be SURE to get back to us in a week[:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:07 AM give me until next week and there will be a response http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? NSSR[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:50 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] I KNEW IT!! QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him LMAO!!! keep ME posted this is very interesting!! Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 AM Just keep your eyes posted on the below listed webcam which is the BNSF transcon in Ft. Madison Iowa & you will see it for yourself[:p] http://www.livetrains.com/plugins/cam/default.asp QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting I though you were going to call your connect at NS? what happend to that? Now all of the sudden you want us to keep the info comming but you give our answers no credibility?[B)] Look, I'm not trying to make an enemy with you. This is a forum with many industry insiders as well as many very intelegent people with very diverse expertice in many fields that share a common intrest in trains. Most of these people are willing to share there knowledge freely. But when you act like our answers have no credibility then you will loose the respect of your fellow forum members and will be considered a troll and unwelcome. I have seen it many times. Show us respect and we'll show you respect. I hope you make the right choice.[8D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:14 AM keep me informed because this is very interesting http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply georgel Member sinceDecember 2001 51 posts Posted by georgel on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM I see N.S. and U.P. units between San Diego and L.A. pulling BNSF freights on tracks not owned by any of then. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:19 PM It happens every day, one day, every CSX train I met was led by a BNSF unit and when I got off the trackage rights onto the NS, every NS train I met was also being led by a BNSF unit. We're talking ten trains here, easily, and I was also operating a BNSF unit. That day, it looked like BNSF had taken over everything in the east. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. is that the truth that what you said is happening? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 PM everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Exactly. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:38 AM Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him OK so what did you find out? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:17 AM Powersharing...sheeesh, frieght trains today often look just like the first days of Jamtrak This weekend I saw a train thats power consisted of 1 BNSF great pumpkin, 2 BNSF green machines, a CN unit, 2 SF warbonnets and a FerroMex unit! Also seen, NS, CSX, CN, SP and UP all lashed together at one time. Sheesh! Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 20, 2006 9:01 AM Hiya just now a UPRR train on the BNSF transcon @ Ft. Madison Iowa was being led by a NSRR loco followed by a UPRR loco going EB. Hurry & you can pick it up on the Galesburg webcam [:)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2006 8:30 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? NS is getting 'SOO-ed'...[:0] Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:54 PM Oh crap....is Cotton Belt next in the line of mergers??? Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. A couple of months ago I saw, on the UP tracks over the 5 Freeway in Commerce, CA, a two engine set of a UP unit hooked to a Cotton Belt unit. It was backing to the NW toward LA. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 17, 2006 11:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him If you're going to **** all over our answers, Then why did you bother asking the question.[:(!] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32 PM Rudy is anxiously awaiting your call, he'll probably spill the beans. I remember when we used to have run through Cotton Belt and SP power back a l-o-n-g time ago. Yes, and we'd have run-through UP and MP power and UP cabooses, too. Still waiting on that merger but never once did I see run-through Southern power in my neck of the woods. How'd we end up merging with THEM? Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:45 PM i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information There's nothing to find out, the answer has already been given, it happends all day everyday on all the RRs. It's no mystery or secret or one time magical event, it's power sharing! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information OK, You be sure and let us know what you find out.[#dots] Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:35 AM Why?? You're not going to find jack! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:38 PM i will still find out information http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Depends on the routing.[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. I think that NS just had the engines out for a little "Test drive" to see who's locos were better maintained...Enable them to decide which (railroad) they want to buy...[}:)] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:46 AM Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:43 AM Don't get me wrong..I agree that "there's no such thing as a stupid question" however......... Railroads have been using run through/pool power, etc. for the past 4 decades (i.e most if not all of the lifetimes of many who post here). Anyone who has observed mainline freight service in North America for any period of time has seen locomotives belonging to railroads other than the line's owner...So I find it strange that there's a variation of the above post here on an almost weekly basis.......... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:03 AM Look up the below link then click on any of the California galleries & you will see NS & CSX units on the UPRR & BNSF way out there in California some 3,000 miles or so from Willow Grove [:)] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply route_rock Member sinceJune 2004 From: Over yonder by the roundhouse 1,224 posts Posted by route_rock on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:41 AM Found that NS motor your looking for. It was in Galesburg yesterday along with an IC in CN colors.a ton of lease units and a SP with UP yellow outs. We share power like stated before. Horsepower trade offs and the interchange deal. There is no merger happening just cause you see a unit from another railroad on your line. Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more Good one!!![(-D][(-D][(-D][:-^] David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more [(-D][(-D][(-D] GOOOOOOD LUCK [(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:57 AM i will contact the company and find out more http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:16 PM Through here on this NS line I have seen all of these come through with these paint schemes at one time or another: Santa Fe, BNSF, BN, CN, IC, UP, CNW, IC, WC, MRL, SP, CP, CSX, SOO, SP, KCS, Conrail (both NS & CSX). Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Well this is a small world after all. I only live 15 minutes from Willow Grove, PA. I know exactly which line you are talking about. This line is apart of the NS Harrisburg Division , I'm not sure were it begins and ends but, I do know that trains frequently run through Abrams Yard, in Upper Merion Twh not far from West Conshohocken. The track from Willow Grove up to Valley Forge turns into a double track main, from the single track in Willow Grove. I do most of my railfaning along this line. Lately I have seen many interesting things over there, including what you are talking about the Santa Fe and CSX power heading up NS freights. I have been seeing a whole bunch of BNSF units on NS coal trains along this line as well. Two weeks ago I saw a Belvidere & Delaware River Railroad GP9 in the middle of an NS Dash-9 consist. I too want to know what is going with NS using all of this foreign power along this line? LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:22 PM If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? well when we get new members they might ask a question that has come up before. just try to help the newbies and be patient.[:)] stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:00 PM Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe It seems like all the Class 1's share power, interestingly when there is borrowed power running in the trains around here, Parsons, Ks- Union Pacific, the foreign power seems to be the lead unit more often than not. The other day I posted a note about a work train, welded rail train, that had NS power on the lead[ SD70] and BNSF trailing (C44W GE) and all the cars were still lettered for Cotton Belt [SSW] and the only UP id was a Shield logo on the last car. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:56 PM then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ShaunCN Member sinceJune 2003 From: Sarnia, Ontario 534 posts Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:41 PM just railroads sharing power again, nothing to do with mergers at all. derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here. Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:40 PM merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 thank you but i am going to find out more from the company
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, March 2, 2006 10:02 AM neat and you were right on what you said http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 2, 2006 7:47 AM Bump. So did you have time to look up that web site I sent U yesterday & your comments if U did [?][?] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:47 AM Did you open up the link I sent U & review it to see the pix of a NSRR locos helping pull both a EB & WB BNSF train in California? Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:20 AM the letter was sent today and i should get a response this weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:51 AM Bump waiting for the strarter of this thread to advise us all of his contacts with the NSRR that he said he would he would be doing Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:16 AM Click on the below link. It was made in Nov 05 east of Daggett CA yes that is right California where the NSRR supposely does not serve. 1st you will see a NSRR loco as part of a EB consist then we did a 180 & caught a WB also with a NSRR loco in its consist also east of Daggett CA http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360162034832389620 [:p] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:27 AM all you forum mebers need to appologize to paul he is correct there is something in the works. a massive merger. here is how it goes 1) the railroads have made a massave power pool at all major city when trains come in and die the power is taken to a holding area the first ones there get the best power.( must have a ligit train to get power) this is why you see NS trains with Union pacific power. most up power is in great shape so they run for it regular then they run for the bnsf power after that they go get the ns power and then lease power. seems the only place we see csx power is on csx tracks. 2) the code used is simple get a straight cut of power if possible but every now and then you see mixed units bnsf with ns power and so on. amtrak wanted in on the power merger but we tried giving them yellow and black units ( union pacific sd70 and ns dash 8 and 9s ) but the didnt want there trains looking like checker cabs that were on fire. if they would do that maybe they get there on time..... 3) once power was assigned it stayed on trains to destination were the carrier had to fuel and put them back nto the power merger pool. thats it no bigger story that that. i waiting for the rail ed works for to put there power in the pool. .... By the way Ed do you guys have the same problem with new conductors staying awake. mine seem to fall asleep about the time they sit down on the engine..do you have this problem ed.............................ed....................................ed wake up!!!!! Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 AM Be SURE to get back to us in a week[:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:07 AM give me until next week and there will be a response http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? NSSR[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:50 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] I KNEW IT!! QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him LMAO!!! keep ME posted this is very interesting!! Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 AM Just keep your eyes posted on the below listed webcam which is the BNSF transcon in Ft. Madison Iowa & you will see it for yourself[:p] http://www.livetrains.com/plugins/cam/default.asp QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting I though you were going to call your connect at NS? what happend to that? Now all of the sudden you want us to keep the info comming but you give our answers no credibility?[B)] Look, I'm not trying to make an enemy with you. This is a forum with many industry insiders as well as many very intelegent people with very diverse expertice in many fields that share a common intrest in trains. Most of these people are willing to share there knowledge freely. But when you act like our answers have no credibility then you will loose the respect of your fellow forum members and will be considered a troll and unwelcome. I have seen it many times. Show us respect and we'll show you respect. I hope you make the right choice.[8D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:14 AM keep me informed because this is very interesting http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply georgel Member sinceDecember 2001 51 posts Posted by georgel on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM I see N.S. and U.P. units between San Diego and L.A. pulling BNSF freights on tracks not owned by any of then. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:19 PM It happens every day, one day, every CSX train I met was led by a BNSF unit and when I got off the trackage rights onto the NS, every NS train I met was also being led by a BNSF unit. We're talking ten trains here, easily, and I was also operating a BNSF unit. That day, it looked like BNSF had taken over everything in the east. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. is that the truth that what you said is happening? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 PM everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Exactly. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:38 AM Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him OK so what did you find out? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:17 AM Powersharing...sheeesh, frieght trains today often look just like the first days of Jamtrak This weekend I saw a train thats power consisted of 1 BNSF great pumpkin, 2 BNSF green machines, a CN unit, 2 SF warbonnets and a FerroMex unit! Also seen, NS, CSX, CN, SP and UP all lashed together at one time. Sheesh! Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 20, 2006 9:01 AM Hiya just now a UPRR train on the BNSF transcon @ Ft. Madison Iowa was being led by a NSRR loco followed by a UPRR loco going EB. Hurry & you can pick it up on the Galesburg webcam [:)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2006 8:30 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? NS is getting 'SOO-ed'...[:0] Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:54 PM Oh crap....is Cotton Belt next in the line of mergers??? Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. A couple of months ago I saw, on the UP tracks over the 5 Freeway in Commerce, CA, a two engine set of a UP unit hooked to a Cotton Belt unit. It was backing to the NW toward LA. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 17, 2006 11:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him If you're going to **** all over our answers, Then why did you bother asking the question.[:(!] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32 PM Rudy is anxiously awaiting your call, he'll probably spill the beans. I remember when we used to have run through Cotton Belt and SP power back a l-o-n-g time ago. Yes, and we'd have run-through UP and MP power and UP cabooses, too. Still waiting on that merger but never once did I see run-through Southern power in my neck of the woods. How'd we end up merging with THEM? Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:45 PM i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information There's nothing to find out, the answer has already been given, it happends all day everyday on all the RRs. It's no mystery or secret or one time magical event, it's power sharing! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information OK, You be sure and let us know what you find out.[#dots] Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:35 AM Why?? You're not going to find jack! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:38 PM i will still find out information http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Depends on the routing.[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. I think that NS just had the engines out for a little "Test drive" to see who's locos were better maintained...Enable them to decide which (railroad) they want to buy...[}:)] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:46 AM Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:43 AM Don't get me wrong..I agree that "there's no such thing as a stupid question" however......... Railroads have been using run through/pool power, etc. for the past 4 decades (i.e most if not all of the lifetimes of many who post here). Anyone who has observed mainline freight service in North America for any period of time has seen locomotives belonging to railroads other than the line's owner...So I find it strange that there's a variation of the above post here on an almost weekly basis.......... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:03 AM Look up the below link then click on any of the California galleries & you will see NS & CSX units on the UPRR & BNSF way out there in California some 3,000 miles or so from Willow Grove [:)] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply route_rock Member sinceJune 2004 From: Over yonder by the roundhouse 1,224 posts Posted by route_rock on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:41 AM Found that NS motor your looking for. It was in Galesburg yesterday along with an IC in CN colors.a ton of lease units and a SP with UP yellow outs. We share power like stated before. Horsepower trade offs and the interchange deal. There is no merger happening just cause you see a unit from another railroad on your line. Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more Good one!!![(-D][(-D][(-D][:-^] David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more [(-D][(-D][(-D] GOOOOOOD LUCK [(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:57 AM i will contact the company and find out more http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:16 PM Through here on this NS line I have seen all of these come through with these paint schemes at one time or another: Santa Fe, BNSF, BN, CN, IC, UP, CNW, IC, WC, MRL, SP, CP, CSX, SOO, SP, KCS, Conrail (both NS & CSX). Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Well this is a small world after all. I only live 15 minutes from Willow Grove, PA. I know exactly which line you are talking about. This line is apart of the NS Harrisburg Division , I'm not sure were it begins and ends but, I do know that trains frequently run through Abrams Yard, in Upper Merion Twh not far from West Conshohocken. The track from Willow Grove up to Valley Forge turns into a double track main, from the single track in Willow Grove. I do most of my railfaning along this line. Lately I have seen many interesting things over there, including what you are talking about the Santa Fe and CSX power heading up NS freights. I have been seeing a whole bunch of BNSF units on NS coal trains along this line as well. Two weeks ago I saw a Belvidere & Delaware River Railroad GP9 in the middle of an NS Dash-9 consist. I too want to know what is going with NS using all of this foreign power along this line? LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:22 PM If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? well when we get new members they might ask a question that has come up before. just try to help the newbies and be patient.[:)] stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:00 PM Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe It seems like all the Class 1's share power, interestingly when there is borrowed power running in the trains around here, Parsons, Ks- Union Pacific, the foreign power seems to be the lead unit more often than not. The other day I posted a note about a work train, welded rail train, that had NS power on the lead[ SD70] and BNSF trailing (C44W GE) and all the cars were still lettered for Cotton Belt [SSW] and the only UP id was a Shield logo on the last car. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:56 PM then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ShaunCN Member sinceJune 2003 From: Sarnia, Ontario 534 posts Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:41 PM just railroads sharing power again, nothing to do with mergers at all. derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here. Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:40 PM merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 8:20 AM the letter was sent today and i should get a response this weekend. http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 6:51 AM Bump waiting for the strarter of this thread to advise us all of his contacts with the NSRR that he said he would he would be doing Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:16 AM Click on the below link. It was made in Nov 05 east of Daggett CA yes that is right California where the NSRR supposely does not serve. 1st you will see a NSRR loco as part of a EB consist then we did a 180 & caught a WB also with a NSRR loco in its consist also east of Daggett CA http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360162034832389620 [:p] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:27 AM all you forum mebers need to appologize to paul he is correct there is something in the works. a massive merger. here is how it goes 1) the railroads have made a massave power pool at all major city when trains come in and die the power is taken to a holding area the first ones there get the best power.( must have a ligit train to get power) this is why you see NS trains with Union pacific power. most up power is in great shape so they run for it regular then they run for the bnsf power after that they go get the ns power and then lease power. seems the only place we see csx power is on csx tracks. 2) the code used is simple get a straight cut of power if possible but every now and then you see mixed units bnsf with ns power and so on. amtrak wanted in on the power merger but we tried giving them yellow and black units ( union pacific sd70 and ns dash 8 and 9s ) but the didnt want there trains looking like checker cabs that were on fire. if they would do that maybe they get there on time..... 3) once power was assigned it stayed on trains to destination were the carrier had to fuel and put them back nto the power merger pool. thats it no bigger story that that. i waiting for the rail ed works for to put there power in the pool. .... By the way Ed do you guys have the same problem with new conductors staying awake. mine seem to fall asleep about the time they sit down on the engine..do you have this problem ed.............................ed....................................ed wake up!!!!! Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 AM Be SURE to get back to us in a week[:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:07 AM give me until next week and there will be a response http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? NSSR[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:50 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] I KNEW IT!! QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him LMAO!!! keep ME posted this is very interesting!! Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 AM Just keep your eyes posted on the below listed webcam which is the BNSF transcon in Ft. Madison Iowa & you will see it for yourself[:p] http://www.livetrains.com/plugins/cam/default.asp QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting I though you were going to call your connect at NS? what happend to that? Now all of the sudden you want us to keep the info comming but you give our answers no credibility?[B)] Look, I'm not trying to make an enemy with you. This is a forum with many industry insiders as well as many very intelegent people with very diverse expertice in many fields that share a common intrest in trains. Most of these people are willing to share there knowledge freely. But when you act like our answers have no credibility then you will loose the respect of your fellow forum members and will be considered a troll and unwelcome. I have seen it many times. Show us respect and we'll show you respect. I hope you make the right choice.[8D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:14 AM keep me informed because this is very interesting http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply georgel Member sinceDecember 2001 51 posts Posted by georgel on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM I see N.S. and U.P. units between San Diego and L.A. pulling BNSF freights on tracks not owned by any of then. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:19 PM It happens every day, one day, every CSX train I met was led by a BNSF unit and when I got off the trackage rights onto the NS, every NS train I met was also being led by a BNSF unit. We're talking ten trains here, easily, and I was also operating a BNSF unit. That day, it looked like BNSF had taken over everything in the east. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. is that the truth that what you said is happening? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 PM everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Exactly. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:38 AM Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him OK so what did you find out? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:17 AM Powersharing...sheeesh, frieght trains today often look just like the first days of Jamtrak This weekend I saw a train thats power consisted of 1 BNSF great pumpkin, 2 BNSF green machines, a CN unit, 2 SF warbonnets and a FerroMex unit! Also seen, NS, CSX, CN, SP and UP all lashed together at one time. Sheesh! Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 20, 2006 9:01 AM Hiya just now a UPRR train on the BNSF transcon @ Ft. Madison Iowa was being led by a NSRR loco followed by a UPRR loco going EB. Hurry & you can pick it up on the Galesburg webcam [:)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2006 8:30 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? NS is getting 'SOO-ed'...[:0] Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:54 PM Oh crap....is Cotton Belt next in the line of mergers??? Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. A couple of months ago I saw, on the UP tracks over the 5 Freeway in Commerce, CA, a two engine set of a UP unit hooked to a Cotton Belt unit. It was backing to the NW toward LA. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 17, 2006 11:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him If you're going to **** all over our answers, Then why did you bother asking the question.[:(!] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32 PM Rudy is anxiously awaiting your call, he'll probably spill the beans. I remember when we used to have run through Cotton Belt and SP power back a l-o-n-g time ago. Yes, and we'd have run-through UP and MP power and UP cabooses, too. Still waiting on that merger but never once did I see run-through Southern power in my neck of the woods. How'd we end up merging with THEM? Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:45 PM i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information There's nothing to find out, the answer has already been given, it happends all day everyday on all the RRs. It's no mystery or secret or one time magical event, it's power sharing! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information OK, You be sure and let us know what you find out.[#dots] Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:35 AM Why?? You're not going to find jack! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:38 PM i will still find out information http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Depends on the routing.[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. I think that NS just had the engines out for a little "Test drive" to see who's locos were better maintained...Enable them to decide which (railroad) they want to buy...[}:)] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:46 AM Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:43 AM Don't get me wrong..I agree that "there's no such thing as a stupid question" however......... Railroads have been using run through/pool power, etc. for the past 4 decades (i.e most if not all of the lifetimes of many who post here). Anyone who has observed mainline freight service in North America for any period of time has seen locomotives belonging to railroads other than the line's owner...So I find it strange that there's a variation of the above post here on an almost weekly basis.......... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:03 AM Look up the below link then click on any of the California galleries & you will see NS & CSX units on the UPRR & BNSF way out there in California some 3,000 miles or so from Willow Grove [:)] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply route_rock Member sinceJune 2004 From: Over yonder by the roundhouse 1,224 posts Posted by route_rock on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:41 AM Found that NS motor your looking for. It was in Galesburg yesterday along with an IC in CN colors.a ton of lease units and a SP with UP yellow outs. We share power like stated before. Horsepower trade offs and the interchange deal. There is no merger happening just cause you see a unit from another railroad on your line. Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more Good one!!![(-D][(-D][(-D][:-^] David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more [(-D][(-D][(-D] GOOOOOOD LUCK [(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:57 AM i will contact the company and find out more http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:16 PM Through here on this NS line I have seen all of these come through with these paint schemes at one time or another: Santa Fe, BNSF, BN, CN, IC, UP, CNW, IC, WC, MRL, SP, CP, CSX, SOO, SP, KCS, Conrail (both NS & CSX). Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Well this is a small world after all. I only live 15 minutes from Willow Grove, PA. I know exactly which line you are talking about. This line is apart of the NS Harrisburg Division , I'm not sure were it begins and ends but, I do know that trains frequently run through Abrams Yard, in Upper Merion Twh not far from West Conshohocken. The track from Willow Grove up to Valley Forge turns into a double track main, from the single track in Willow Grove. I do most of my railfaning along this line. Lately I have seen many interesting things over there, including what you are talking about the Santa Fe and CSX power heading up NS freights. I have been seeing a whole bunch of BNSF units on NS coal trains along this line as well. Two weeks ago I saw a Belvidere & Delaware River Railroad GP9 in the middle of an NS Dash-9 consist. I too want to know what is going with NS using all of this foreign power along this line? LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:22 PM If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? well when we get new members they might ask a question that has come up before. just try to help the newbies and be patient.[:)] stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:00 PM Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe It seems like all the Class 1's share power, interestingly when there is borrowed power running in the trains around here, Parsons, Ks- Union Pacific, the foreign power seems to be the lead unit more often than not. The other day I posted a note about a work train, welded rail train, that had NS power on the lead[ SD70] and BNSF trailing (C44W GE) and all the cars were still lettered for Cotton Belt [SSW] and the only UP id was a Shield logo on the last car. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:56 PM then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ShaunCN Member sinceJune 2003 From: Sarnia, Ontario 534 posts Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:41 PM just railroads sharing power again, nothing to do with mergers at all. derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here. Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:40 PM merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:27 AM all you forum mebers need to appologize to paul he is correct there is something in the works. a massive merger. here is how it goes 1) the railroads have made a massave power pool at all major city when trains come in and die the power is taken to a holding area the first ones there get the best power.( must have a ligit train to get power) this is why you see NS trains with Union pacific power. most up power is in great shape so they run for it regular then they run for the bnsf power after that they go get the ns power and then lease power. seems the only place we see csx power is on csx tracks. 2) the code used is simple get a straight cut of power if possible but every now and then you see mixed units bnsf with ns power and so on. amtrak wanted in on the power merger but we tried giving them yellow and black units ( union pacific sd70 and ns dash 8 and 9s ) but the didnt want there trains looking like checker cabs that were on fire. if they would do that maybe they get there on time..... 3) once power was assigned it stayed on trains to destination were the carrier had to fuel and put them back nto the power merger pool. thats it no bigger story that that. i waiting for the rail ed works for to put there power in the pool. .... By the way Ed do you guys have the same problem with new conductors staying awake. mine seem to fall asleep about the time they sit down on the engine..do you have this problem ed.............................ed....................................ed wake up!!!!! Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 27, 2006 9:30 AM Be SURE to get back to us in a week[:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 27, 2006 6:07 AM give me until next week and there will be a response http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? NSSR[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:29 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great? Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, February 24, 2006 12:19 PM In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 24, 2006 11:50 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] I KNEW IT!! QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him LMAO!!! keep ME posted this is very interesting!! Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, February 24, 2006 10:10 AM Just keep your eyes posted on the below listed webcam which is the BNSF transcon in Ft. Madison Iowa & you will see it for yourself[:p] http://www.livetrains.com/plugins/cam/default.asp QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 24, 2006 9:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 keep me informed because this is very interesting I though you were going to call your connect at NS? what happend to that? Now all of the sudden you want us to keep the info comming but you give our answers no credibility?[B)] Look, I'm not trying to make an enemy with you. This is a forum with many industry insiders as well as many very intelegent people with very diverse expertice in many fields that share a common intrest in trains. Most of these people are willing to share there knowledge freely. But when you act like our answers have no credibility then you will loose the respect of your fellow forum members and will be considered a troll and unwelcome. I have seen it many times. Show us respect and we'll show you respect. I hope you make the right choice.[8D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Friday, February 24, 2006 6:14 AM keep me informed because this is very interesting http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply georgel Member sinceDecember 2001 51 posts Posted by georgel on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:30 PM I see N.S. and U.P. units between San Diego and L.A. pulling BNSF freights on tracks not owned by any of then. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:19 PM It happens every day, one day, every CSX train I met was led by a BNSF unit and when I got off the trackage rights onto the NS, every NS train I met was also being led by a BNSF unit. We're talking ten trains here, easily, and I was also operating a BNSF unit. That day, it looked like BNSF had taken over everything in the east. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. is that the truth that what you said is happening? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:40 PM everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Exactly. Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:38 AM Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath! Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him OK so what did you find out? Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:17 AM Powersharing...sheeesh, frieght trains today often look just like the first days of Jamtrak This weekend I saw a train thats power consisted of 1 BNSF great pumpkin, 2 BNSF green machines, a CN unit, 2 SF warbonnets and a FerroMex unit! Also seen, NS, CSX, CN, SP and UP all lashed together at one time. Sheesh! Have fun with your trains Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, February 20, 2006 9:01 AM Hiya just now a UPRR train on the BNSF transcon @ Ft. Madison Iowa was being led by a NSRR loco followed by a UPRR loco going EB. Hurry & you can pick it up on the Galesburg webcam [:)] Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2006 8:30 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? NS is getting 'SOO-ed'...[:0] Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:54 PM Oh crap....is Cotton Belt next in the line of mergers??? Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. A couple of months ago I saw, on the UP tracks over the 5 Freeway in Commerce, CA, a two engine set of a UP unit hooked to a Cotton Belt unit. It was backing to the NW toward LA. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 17, 2006 11:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him If you're going to **** all over our answers, Then why did you bother asking the question.[:(!] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32 PM Rudy is anxiously awaiting your call, he'll probably spill the beans. I remember when we used to have run through Cotton Belt and SP power back a l-o-n-g time ago. Yes, and we'd have run-through UP and MP power and UP cabooses, too. Still waiting on that merger but never once did I see run-through Southern power in my neck of the woods. How'd we end up merging with THEM? Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:45 PM i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information There's nothing to find out, the answer has already been given, it happends all day everyday on all the RRs. It's no mystery or secret or one time magical event, it's power sharing! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information OK, You be sure and let us know what you find out.[#dots] Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:35 AM Why?? You're not going to find jack! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:38 PM i will still find out information http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Depends on the routing.[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. I think that NS just had the engines out for a little "Test drive" to see who's locos were better maintained...Enable them to decide which (railroad) they want to buy...[}:)] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:46 AM Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:43 AM Don't get me wrong..I agree that "there's no such thing as a stupid question" however......... Railroads have been using run through/pool power, etc. for the past 4 decades (i.e most if not all of the lifetimes of many who post here). Anyone who has observed mainline freight service in North America for any period of time has seen locomotives belonging to railroads other than the line's owner...So I find it strange that there's a variation of the above post here on an almost weekly basis.......... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:03 AM Look up the below link then click on any of the California galleries & you will see NS & CSX units on the UPRR & BNSF way out there in California some 3,000 miles or so from Willow Grove [:)] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply route_rock Member sinceJune 2004 From: Over yonder by the roundhouse 1,224 posts Posted by route_rock on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:41 AM Found that NS motor your looking for. It was in Galesburg yesterday along with an IC in CN colors.a ton of lease units and a SP with UP yellow outs. We share power like stated before. Horsepower trade offs and the interchange deal. There is no merger happening just cause you see a unit from another railroad on your line. Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more Good one!!![(-D][(-D][(-D][:-^] David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more [(-D][(-D][(-D] GOOOOOOD LUCK [(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:57 AM i will contact the company and find out more http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:16 PM Through here on this NS line I have seen all of these come through with these paint schemes at one time or another: Santa Fe, BNSF, BN, CN, IC, UP, CNW, IC, WC, MRL, SP, CP, CSX, SOO, SP, KCS, Conrail (both NS & CSX). Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Well this is a small world after all. I only live 15 minutes from Willow Grove, PA. I know exactly which line you are talking about. This line is apart of the NS Harrisburg Division , I'm not sure were it begins and ends but, I do know that trains frequently run through Abrams Yard, in Upper Merion Twh not far from West Conshohocken. The track from Willow Grove up to Valley Forge turns into a double track main, from the single track in Willow Grove. I do most of my railfaning along this line. Lately I have seen many interesting things over there, including what you are talking about the Santa Fe and CSX power heading up NS freights. I have been seeing a whole bunch of BNSF units on NS coal trains along this line as well. Two weeks ago I saw a Belvidere & Delaware River Railroad GP9 in the middle of an NS Dash-9 consist. I too want to know what is going with NS using all of this foreign power along this line? LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:22 PM If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? well when we get new members they might ask a question that has come up before. just try to help the newbies and be patient.[:)] stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:00 PM Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe It seems like all the Class 1's share power, interestingly when there is borrowed power running in the trains around here, Parsons, Ks- Union Pacific, the foreign power seems to be the lead unit more often than not. The other day I posted a note about a work train, welded rail train, that had NS power on the lead[ SD70] and BNSF trailing (C44W GE) and all the cars were still lettered for Cotton Belt [SSW] and the only UP id was a Shield logo on the last car. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:56 PM then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ShaunCN Member sinceJune 2003 From: Sarnia, Ontario 534 posts Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:41 PM just railroads sharing power again, nothing to do with mergers at all. derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here. Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:40 PM merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 give me until next week and there will be a response
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)] Must be a merger in the works. What name will they use? Great Soo? Soo Northern? Great Soo St. Marie Northern? How about Soo Great?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding In fact, I've ridden on a train that was powered by Great Northern and Soo Line power! Do you think there's something going on there, Max?[;)]
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p]
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D]
QUOTE: i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him
QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails everyday on ns line through here there is usally SF BN BNSF UP MRL CN on a NS lead train we have it all run through. Most all have a NS in front. there just extra power.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX Chad, I hope you aren't holding your breath!
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him
Have fun with your trains
Originally posted by paulstecyna21 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 20, 2006 8:30 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? NS is getting 'SOO-ed'...[:0] Reply Edit ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:49 PM I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means? Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:54 PM Oh crap....is Cotton Belt next in the line of mergers??? Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:02 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. A couple of months ago I saw, on the UP tracks over the 5 Freeway in Commerce, CA, a two engine set of a UP unit hooked to a Cotton Belt unit. It was backing to the NW toward LA. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, February 17, 2006 11:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him If you're going to **** all over our answers, Then why did you bother asking the question.[:(!] Reply ValleyX Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 1,103 posts Posted by ValleyX on Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:32 PM Rudy is anxiously awaiting your call, he'll probably spill the beans. I remember when we used to have run through Cotton Belt and SP power back a l-o-n-g time ago. Yes, and we'd have run-through UP and MP power and UP cabooses, too. Still waiting on that merger but never once did I see run-through Southern power in my neck of the woods. How'd we end up merging with THEM? Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:45 PM i am going to call rudy husband of norfolk southern and ask him http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information There's nothing to find out, the answer has already been given, it happends all day everyday on all the RRs. It's no mystery or secret or one time magical event, it's power sharing! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information OK, You be sure and let us know what you find out.[#dots] Reply Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:35 AM Why?? You're not going to find jack! Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:38 PM i will still find out information http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Depends on the routing.[;)] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. I think that NS just had the engines out for a little "Test drive" to see who's locos were better maintained...Enable them to decide which (railroad) they want to buy...[}:)] Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:46 AM Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours. Reply carnej1 Member sinceNovember 2003 From: Rhode Island 2,289 posts Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:43 AM Don't get me wrong..I agree that "there's no such thing as a stupid question" however......... Railroads have been using run through/pool power, etc. for the past 4 decades (i.e most if not all of the lifetimes of many who post here). Anyone who has observed mainline freight service in North America for any period of time has seen locomotives belonging to railroads other than the line's owner...So I find it strange that there's a variation of the above post here on an almost weekly basis.......... "I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:03 AM Look up the below link then click on any of the California galleries & you will see NS & CSX units on the UPRR & BNSF way out there in California some 3,000 miles or so from Willow Grove [:)] http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply route_rock Member sinceJune 2004 From: Over yonder by the roundhouse 1,224 posts Posted by route_rock on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:41 AM Found that NS motor your looking for. It was in Galesburg yesterday along with an IC in CN colors.a ton of lease units and a SP with UP yellow outs. We share power like stated before. Horsepower trade offs and the interchange deal. There is no merger happening just cause you see a unit from another railroad on your line. Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more Good one!!![(-D][(-D][(-D][:-^] David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more [(-D][(-D][(-D] GOOOOOOD LUCK [(-D][(-D][(-D] Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:57 AM i will contact the company and find out more http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 13, 2006 7:16 PM Through here on this NS line I have seen all of these come through with these paint schemes at one time or another: Santa Fe, BNSF, BN, CN, IC, UP, CNW, IC, WC, MRL, SP, CP, CSX, SOO, SP, KCS, Conrail (both NS & CSX). Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, February 13, 2006 6:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] I've recently seen some AT&SF locomotives on BN trains here locally. You don't suppose that BN and SF are planning a merger, do you?[:p] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey. Well this is a small world after all. I only live 15 minutes from Willow Grove, PA. I know exactly which line you are talking about. This line is apart of the NS Harrisburg Division , I'm not sure were it begins and ends but, I do know that trains frequently run through Abrams Yard, in Upper Merion Twh not far from West Conshohocken. The track from Willow Grove up to Valley Forge turns into a double track main, from the single track in Willow Grove. I do most of my railfaning along this line. Lately I have seen many interesting things over there, including what you are talking about the Santa Fe and CSX power heading up NS freights. I have been seeing a whole bunch of BNSF units on NS coal trains along this line as well. Two weeks ago I saw a Belvidere & Delaware River Railroad GP9 in the middle of an NS Dash-9 consist. I too want to know what is going with NS using all of this foreign power along this line? LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:22 PM If only I had a nickel for every time a foreign unit started a merger rumor, I'd be rich.[(-D] Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:17 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? well when we get new members they might ask a question that has come up before. just try to help the newbies and be patient.[:)] stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, February 13, 2006 4:00 PM Or it could be paying back or accumulating "horse power hours" Run through agreements are typicaly between "city pairs" on a particular route that goes through two or more railroads territory (tracks). Units accumulating or paying back horsepower hours can show up anywhere in any service as the power desk sees fit. Railroads, especially the class ones, are always borrowing power from eachother. The way they keep things even is called "horse power hours". For instance lets say UP borrows a NS SD40-2, An SD40-2 is 3000hp and will be counted as 3000 horse power hours for every hour it spends on UP. If it's there for a day the UP would owe NS 72,000 HP hours. Now say somewhere else NS has borrowed a UP AC6000 for a day. Sience the AC6000 is 6000 hp it will accumulate 144,000 hours in the same time. So now there is a debt owed to NS of 72,000 hp hours. Each railroad keeps track of the balance between them and each one of the other railroads and if the balance gets to be too much, the oweing railroad will send some units to the owed railroad to balance things out. They usually use there own power for this but they could also lease units from a leasor or another railroad to pay back hp hours owed. They could send the owed railroad a whole bunch of units to pay off there debt quickly or more economicaly they send a few units to the owed railroad and it takes a lot longer. In that case a foreign unit might be roaming around the owed railroads property for a while and could end up in the farthest corners of there system. They are typicaly treated as if they were there own units and would assign them as they would any other power (though sometime the power desks will keep them in a certain geographic area or service) Reply David_Telesha Member sinceNovember 2005 From: NYNH&H Norwich & Worcester MP21.7 774 posts Posted by David_Telesha on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up? David Telesha New Haven Railroad - www.NHRHTA.org Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, February 13, 2006 3:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe It seems like all the Class 1's share power, interestingly when there is borrowed power running in the trains around here, Parsons, Ks- Union Pacific, the foreign power seems to be the lead unit more often than not. The other day I posted a note about a work train, welded rail train, that had NS power on the lead[ SD70] and BNSF trailing (C44W GE) and all the cars were still lettered for Cotton Belt [SSW] and the only UP id was a Shield logo on the last car. Reply paulstecyna21 Member sinceSeptember 2005 From: Willow Grove near NS tracks 158 posts Posted by paulstecyna21 on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:56 PM then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? http://www.trainweb.org/csxphotos/photos/CW44AC/0001CSX-bc.jpg Reply ShaunCN Member sinceJune 2003 From: Sarnia, Ontario 534 posts Posted by ShaunCN on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:41 PM just railroads sharing power again, nothing to do with mergers at all. derailment? what derailment? All reports of derailments are lies. Their are no derailments within a hundreed miles of here. Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,323 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, February 13, 2006 2:40 PM merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply 12345 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX I saw some SOO engines on Norfolk Southern today, wonder what it means?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 This morning in willow grove, pennsylvania where i live, i saw a three engine frieght train and the engines were in this order, Norfolk southern as 1, santa fe as 2, and union pacific as 3. Is there a possible merger happening between CSX, Norfolk Sothern, Union Pacific, and Burlington Northern Santa Fe? The freight train was heading towards philadelphia or new jersey.
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will still find out information
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Mabee in your world it's 3000 miles but not in ours.
"I Often Dream of Trains"-From the Album of the Same Name by Robyn Hitchcock
Yes we are on time but this is yesterdays train
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 i will contact the company and find out more
QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines? RUN THROUGH POWER AGREEMENT Somewhere there is a NS engine on BNSF and UP - saves from changing engines at interchanges and other things. How many times must this topic come up?
QUOTE: Originally posted by paulstecyna21 then how come norfolk southern had those 2 engines?
Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").
QUOTE: Originally posted by JoeKoh merger no.just borrowed power where one rr uses anothers power and then lets them borrow there power for awhile.usually on ns if there is an ns in the consist it usually has the point.csx puts engines in various orders. stay safe Joe
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